The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[MCMLXXXII]

Reported for trolling because you are literally making assumptions without reading posts.

Also, I will log off now because some of you are losing it here and it's seriously showing the unhealthy side of this forum.

Complaining for several pages that you're going to quit WoW and using this speculation thread as your personal blog and I'm the one trolling? That's rich.

[Teriz]

Kezan is the port/trade city capital of the Undermine & that's already in the game. Weren't we supposed to assume the Cataclsym made both uninhabitable? Undermine went the way of Pompeii

Actually no, Blizzard has stated for years that Undermine survived the eruption and was still around, even after Cataclysm.

Also Goblins returned to Kezan in BFA.

[Wangming]

While its appropriate to reminisce about what could have been it is a grand disservice to the most unique landmass, arguably besides maybe Skywall, that WoW has ever seen. Nazjatar is truly a breathtaking place in Retail and honestly, even looking at this map, it was never supposed to be more than a 'speck of dirt'. I, personally, was not a fan of the place and I really was not a big fan of BFA as a whole, but I think it is unfair to say its just a speck of dirt.


Edit: I also love the little ideas you can visualize on that map that were repurposed. The Ulduar Bay becoming Azshara on Retail. The Maelstrom looking much more like a scar on the world. The Tomb of Sargeras location. Kalimdor as a whole being eventually merged with 'Ulduar'. Its a truly interesting piece of art.

Perhaps, but it could have been so much more. This, what we got, could have been one zone, but parts of Nazjatar could have been "Suramar but underwater". One zone that is mostly ruins and shipwreck is not really the full potential of a concept like Nazjatar. And I'm willing to die on this hill.

[ercarp]

Kezan is the port/trade city capital of the Undermine & that's already in the game. Weren't we supposed to assume the Cataclsym made both uninhabitable? Undermine went the way of Pompeii

The Motherlode dungeon from BfA takes place on Kezan, so that's evidently not the case.

The Isle of Kezan, rent asunder by the eruption of Mount Kajaro, is now brimming with Azerite in the aftermath of Sargeras' assault on Azeroth. Seeking to make a fortune and stake his claim to the title of Trade Prince, Mogul Razdunk has focused the Venture Company's efforts on weaponizing Azerite and selling it to the highest bidder.

Seeing as Kezan itself appears to be relatively unscathed, it's safe to assume the same would be true of Undermine.

[Raetary]

If we have to go through another expac with Magni's voice acting in every other world quest, I'm out.

But zhe WOONZS Shampion!

What about zhe WOONZ!?
AzeRRRoth needs yer help!

[Ersula]

Actually no, Blizzard has stated for years that Undermine survived the eruption and was still around, even after Cataclysm.

Gonna need a source on that because I've never seen a Blizzard dev verbally acknowledge Undermine at all.

The Motherlode dungeon from BfA takes place on Kezan, so that's evidently not the case.

Right...on the surface. Wouldn't the underground suffer much worse from a volcanic eruption?

[Darkarath]

I think very few people even realize that the next patch is the last major content patch for DF. When that sinks in, the reaction will be negative unless there is a very compelling expansion reveal to go with it.

Yes, I fully agree and this is the main reason of my concerns regarding WoW.

10.2 is just another 10.1. After a month most players will be done with it. And then what? Unless 10.2.5 is truly amazing (an evergreen Brawler's Guild would not be enough, not even close), we will have to wait until November for 11.0. Let us say that it is released in August in a best case scenario. That leaves us with 8 MONTHS¡¡ 8 MONTHS of 10.2. Yes I know that we will have a fated season but who gives a fuck about that, honestly.

I do not understand why they (apparently) killed 10.3. It literally would destroy all the (little-medium) good faith that they have created with DF. I tried to see not having it in a positive way but I just cannot. I feel scammed and it has not happened yet.

I hope that Blizzcon will make me understand because as of now I just see absolute incompetence.

[Auxis]

The Motherlode dungeon from BfA takes place on Kezan, so that's evidently not the case.



Seeing as Kezan itself appears to be relatively unscathed, it's safe to assume the same would be true of Undermine.

I mean, Undermind is underground in the bowels of the volacano. It's likely going to have faced some extensive damage as a result of the volcano erupting; not to mention the Azerite spewing forth from the island in recent years - a highly volatile, molten, fiery substance.

"The Undermine, or just Undermine, is the subterranean capital city of the goblins, located in the bowels of Mount Kajaro on the Isle of Kezan in the South Seas. Weaving through the heart of Kezan in a dizzying network of tunnels, vaults, and lava tubes, Undermine epitomizes the goblins' complex, unpredictable mindset."

[Woggmer]

You're forgetting what Gnomes were before the curse. Mechagnomes are a throwback. Not further progress. Also, this was the second time Blizzard did that story, though the questline in WotLK was far less elaborate.

And forgettable, people (from what I've heard) didn't have fond memories of Borean Tundra... even fewer people did Storm Peaks story, you'd have to go through a lot just to get to that part in the story. Mechagon was a way to try the story again and make it relevant content rather than just a one-off questline... Similar how they brought Xavius and the Nightmare back for players to fully experience.

Like I said, this isn't the first time they've done this story... but it is the first time we've seen it done without the use of magic from the Titans or the Djinn.

[elderu]

Gallywix post-Legion has been impersonated by, at times, a Dreadlord.

The presense of this mortal, non-death related character in Tazavesh is hard to reason, until we consider that what we see in that dungeon is actually the Nathrezim impersonator.

Think about BfA's prologue. Who introduces Sylvanas to Azerite?

In her novel it's revealed that Zovaal procphecied this moment, and it would make total sense for a Nathrezim agent ultimately serving him to carry out the event that instigated The Battle For Azeroth, leading to the empowered Maw.

[Paula Deen]

I think very few people even realize that the next patch is the last major content patch for DF. When that sinks in, the reaction will be negative unless there is a very compelling expansion reveal to go with it.

Why though? I feel like people here are really attached to the numbers on the patch rather than the statistics with the patch. We will have had 3 raid tiers, Most likely a 4th fated tier which is a fantastic idea, 4-5 Mythic+ Seasons, a reasonable amount of things to do. More than WoD less than BFA.

Most of the people playing WoW nowadays are working adults. We don't have endless hours to spend grinding Azerite, working on endless achievements. I think this expansion is fantastic as it is with 10.2, let alone a Fated Tier. The only downside to this entire expansion is the lack of improvements to Queued PvP Content.

[ercarp]

Right...on the surface. Wouldn't the underground suffer much worse from a volcanic eruption?

I mean, Undermind is underground in the bowels of the volacano. It's likely going to have faced some extensive damage as a result of the volcano erupting; not to mention the Azerite spewing forth from the island in recent years - a highly volatile, molten, fiery substance.

Those are fair assumptions to make, but you can just as well assume that that the goblins, who knowingly (and willingly) had decided to build their capital under a volcano, were smart enough to have prepared for the likelihood of a volcanic eruption and had some way of mitigating the brunt of the damage.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I think very few people even realize that the next patch is the last major content patch for DF. When that sinks in, the reaction will be negative unless there is a very compelling expansion reveal to go with it.

Thats why announcing it for everyone and outside of WoW circles at Blizzcon is legendary from the PR and Marketing Team.

[Paula Deen]

Those are fair assumptions to make, but you can just as well assume that that the goblins, who knowingly (and willingly) had decided to build their capital under a volcano, were smart enough to have prepared for the likelihood of a volcanic eruption and had some way of mitigating the brunt of the damage.

Speculation like this is great because either side of the speculation, the realism of a destroyed Undermine, or the hilarity of Goblin's constructing a massive shielding for the entire island would just result in some great story telling and both would have incredible visuals.

Thats why announcing it for everyone and outside of WoW circles at Blizzcon is legendary from the PR and Marketing Team.

They won't spin it like that. The part that is legendary, that everyone will enjoy, myself included, is when they reveal the 2024 Roadmap at Blizzcon on stage. The argument of an 8 month drought falls the hell apart when they present it. Even if the Fated Tier is the same tier, even if the last 2 PvP Seasons are just faction swapped sets and M+ the same dungeons with a new rotation you will have people excited.

[Nightshade711]

Every time i see this map and get reminded that Nazjatar has been planned since 1999, i get more angry about the little speck of dirt they presented to us as Nazjatar in BfA.

Honestly I kind of liked Nazjatar. I only wish it could’ve been more of a city like Suramar was.
It was a unique way to deliver the “underwater” zone without having to deal with the issues of being underwater like Vashj’ir.

Although I personally liked Vashj’ir, I understand the issues it had.

[Santandame]

Well that's the key; It's completely your opinion. My point is that your opinion isn't shared by others in the user base. So while you may despise engaging with Goblins, plenty of other players will probably have no issue with it since engaging with Goblins has been something we've done in Warcraft since the RTS games. None of that has any bearing on a Goblin location being a possibility for future content.

You’re going to have to provide some sources to back up your claims as the general consensus in this thread at least is that Goblins and anything relating to them is shite.

The Goblin parts of any zone in my opinion are always the worst and are a complete eyesore.

Funnily enough, I’m all for seeing Undermine, I genuinely want to. But the aesthetic needs to be wildly different from the current Goblin aesthetic in game which is no more than just pollution. Despite what you are trying to argue, that aesthetic, as already said, is fucking miserable.

[MCMLXXXII]

she's only here to talk about her so-called marriage, which obviously doesn't fulfill her enough to seek attention here and spit on the game
what a married life xD

Just like Winter Blossom who mentioned every other post that she was an army wife. Well that's before she started to use ChatGPT writing her posts. But enough off topic from me.

[Paula Deen]

Although I personally liked Vashj’ir, I understand the issues it had.

For the longest time I really loved Vashj'r for its very strong story however has years have gone on it is really starting to show its age. Honestly pretty much anything that involves content from Cataclysm or before (Even Mists of Pandaria, the flashback quests for the Alliance & Horde where you control the other characters around the Jade Serpent Statue), all of that is aging horrendously thanks to Dragon Riding.

Highly recommend those who do not see the aging the game is having to do the Argent Tournament stuff or check out the Vigilance on Wing's quest. It truly is a sight to behold. It isn't bad, it is just not how the modern game works at all and it is kind of fun to look at.

[Harbour]

Blizzcon 2023:
Warcraft 3 Re-reforged
WoW Classic: Cataclysm
WoW: Legacy of the Titans
Revamped Northrend + 3 zones of Avaloren
Underground Azjol-Nerub zone.
Amirdrassil capital city.
Revamped Secondary Professions
Class agnostic "Torghast"
Many new race customizations for all except Dracthyr
All classes for all races except DH and Evoker
Account wide reputations
Account wide bank
Blood Mage, Fel DH, Void Priest (Support)
Earthbound Shaman (Tank)
Ambusher Rogue (Ranged DPS)
Vyranoth Betrayer, loyal to Iridikron and Xal'athat
Galakrond.
Khaz'goroth, Agrammar and Golganneth sent to re-order Azeroth with the help of the remaining Keepers.
Clash between Void, Order and us in the middle.
New premium subscription with tenders.

Sounds cool but I really doubt so many characters and villains specifically will continue to have such a presence in another expansion.
They would make it feel like it's still partially DF instead of new exciting chapter of the story.
Also I don't buy Void Priest and Ambusher rogue.

[Catastrophy349]

Cataclysm: Released on December 7, 2010
Patch 4.3 released on November 29, 2011
Time between LAST PATCH and NEXT EXPANSION: 10 MONTHS

Mists of Pandaria: Released on September 25, 2012
Patch 5.4 released on September 10, 2013
Time between LAST PATCH and NEXT EXPANSION: 14 MONTHS

Warlords of Draenor: Released on November 13, 2014
Patch 6.2 released on June 23, 2015
Time between LAST PATCH and NEXT EXPANSION: 14 MONTHS

Legion: Released on August 30, 2016
7.3 released on August 29, 2017 and 7.3.5 released on January 16, 2018
Time between LAST PATCH and NEXT EXPANSION: 7 MONTHS (counting 7.3.5 as final patch and 12 MONTHS counting 7.3 as final patch)

Battle for Azeroth: Released on August 14, 2018
8.3 released on January 14, 2020
Time between LAST PATCH and NEXT EXPANSION: 10 MONTHS

Shadowlands: Released on November 23, 2020
9.2 released on February 22, 2022 and 9.2.5 (second part-fated season) released on August 2, 2022
Time between LAST PATCH and NEXT EXPANSION: 3-4 MONTHS (counting 9.2.5 as final patch and 9 MONTHS counting 9.2 as final patch)

Dragonflight: Released on November 28, 2022

I'll leave this post that I wrote months ago for those complaining about the downtime between "end of DF" to "start of 11.0." Enjoy.