The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Merryck]

Not entirely strange if you bring Elune and Eonar into the equation and Freya doing Eonar's work on her behalf while Aman'thul isn't watching.

So Aman'Thul gets proven right again. What a legend.

[Catastrophy349]

Anyone else going to be reading the "War of the Scaleborn" on October 31st ASAP before BlizzCon begins a few days later?

[Magistrate]

Anyone else going to be reading the "War of the Scaleborn" on October 31st ASAP before BlizzCon begins a few days later?

(gets retconned almost instantly)

[Skildar]

they need to get rid of this "unreliable narrator" crap. there is no worldbuilding if they can pull this shit whenever they want.

that's actually very helpful to worldbuilding and making sure their world remains interesting and keep its mysticism

[Xilurm]

that's actually very helpful to worldbuilding and making sure their world remains interesting and keep its mysticism

How is it very helpful to make your audience invested into so many things only for you to say "well it wasn't actually like this" later down the line?

[Raetary]

Anyone else going to be reading the "War of the Scaleborn" on October 31st ASAP before BlizzCon begins a few days later?

Unfortunately no.

Don't have the option to order the english edition from work (i work at a bookstore) and an amazon delivery is gonna take a few days.

[Merryck]

Danuser will never make me hate the Titans. After being tortured for millennia, with freedom in sight, they don't hesitate to assume the mantle of jailer for Sargeras for an eternity in order protect Azeroth.

It's too bad Danuser's brain has been absolutely fried by twitter and is threatened by their masculinity, because I'm pretty sure Iridikron is going to fucking murder them all soon.

[Gurahk]

Anyone else going to be reading the "War of the Scaleborn" on October 31st ASAP before BlizzCon begins a few days later?

I don't think I'll buy any Warcraft book ever again after how they handled chronicles.

[PotHockets]

They keep using the term "turning point" in recent interviews, which I'm not sure what the is referring to. Turning point meaning we defeat Fyrakk and the battle against the Primalists (not Incarnates) is won? Or turning point in meaning that there's a big twist at the end of the raid and there's more danger in store for us than there is victory?

I bet it's Iridkron shenanigans and Fyrakk being stopped at Amirdrasill being according to his plan.

[Cheezits]

How is it very helpful to make your audience invested into so many things only for you to say "well it wasn't actually like this" later down the line?

Most stories aren't 19 years old and need new content every 2. There's something to be said about paying respect to past ideas and rules but I don't envy the WoW team for having to come up with expansions every 2 years that don't retcon something/are interesting enough to sell a box (so no Tel'Abim expansion, Plunder Isle expansion, Wrath of the Outland, etc that wouldn't need new things or tread upon retcons)

[Reive]

Anyone else going to be reading the "War of the Scaleborn" on October 31st ASAP before BlizzCon begins a few days later?

imagine wasting money on yet another book blizzard is going to retcon lol

that's actually very helpful to worldbuilding and making sure their world remains interesting and keep its mysticism

you can't use this all the time otherwise you have no pillars in this game. there is also no point in speculating on anything because they can change the lore whenever they want.

[Marlamin]

Today's PTR build is a good one for music enjoyers!

[Merryck]

Today's PTR build is a good one for music enjoyers!

Do you have a sample?

[Reive]

Yes this 100%.

I would get pulling this once as a major lore overhaul but it keeps happening.

Plus I will forever be a little upset that Chronicle was sold to us as reliable lore and then 2 books later it's all Titan propaganda, the writing style changed dramatically to reinforce this, and they retroactively said it was true of the rest. I was so hyped for them and bought all of the first ones and then they basically said none of it could be used to support any lore theorizing. Such a let down.

yeah. retconning things here and there is fine but holy crap, they can't even stay coherent to something they wrote not long ago

[Marlamin]

Do you have a sample?

Sure, here's a random one.

[Skildar]

How is it very helpful to make your audience invested into so many things only for you to say "well it wasn't actually like this" later down the line?

just take any warcraft universe information as subjective instead of "immutable word of god". It's not the first to do this. I remember reading the same issues with lotr. With warcraft it's very helpful to view information as subjective, like I said earlier it helps preserving the mysticism. Otherwise we're stuck with the warcraft 3 titan pantheon and not moving forward.

[Skildar]

yeah. retconning things here and there is fine but holy crap, they can't even stay coherent to something they wrote not long ago

do you have an example?

[Merryck]

Sure, here's a random one.

That's not bad. Must be raid music?

I wish they'd add actual boss music like Dark Souls.

[GhostFish]

The Lun'alai are exactly my point. Talk to them and they say it themselves. What they worship isn't a Loa

"We prefer de groves of nature to de cold stone of de city. Many of de Zandalari believe us to be heretics. Dey claim our matron is no loa.

Dey are welcome to their opinions. We of de Lun'alai have long possessed de gifts of nature, to take de forms of the wild. Ours is de way of balance, not bargains."

That's their leader implicitly disagreeing with the Zandalari opinion that what they worship isn't a loa.

[matijwow]

that's actually very helpful to worldbuilding and making sure their world remains interesting and keep its mysticism

Most people learn about unreliable narrators in high school English class and it gets presented as a clever way to write stories but they don't realize how narrowly it must be used to write a good story.

These writers seem like they're just throwing it out there as a way to deny that their retcons are retcons rather than to defend their retcons.