The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[NikolaiShade]

with 10.2 coming out after blizzcon - does anyone thing they might pull a quick one and actually only have the 10.2 demo on the floor?

Not impossible but imho unlikely

[Reive]

Personally, I'm not part of the "borrowed power/logging in daily/weekly=BAD." I honestly MISS that stuff in Dragonflight. However, I do think to appease both sides, they could make a "borrowed power" system account-wide to lessen the blow/need to min-max one toon and FOMO alts.

account wide borrowed power wouldn't be bad tbh. still, i think blizzard should focus more on making new features and offer a larger variety of content instead of relying on "fake" content like borrowed power.

It's not that I disagree with the "one and done" nature of DF content.

It's that the amount of effort required to make some of these systems last is marginal to the point of intention, and I think this is very much a reaction to feedback.

I'll point to rock climbing, fishing for Tuskaar, even the dog and hunt customizations for the Centaur.

Those all scream systems that were paired down as a reaction to BFA/Shadowlands feedback.

nah i don't think so. these things just lack depth. people complained about chores and borrowed power in bfa/sl. the things you've listed have nothing to do with those. i think the devs are just struggling when it comes to making new casual content. ion himself half admitted it.

[NikolaiShade]

Personally, I'm not part of the "borrowed power/logging in daily/weekly=BAD." I honestly MISS that stuff in Dragonflight. However, I do think to appease both sides, they could make a "borrowed power" system account-wide to lessen the blow/need to min-max one toon and FOMO alts.

An account wide system, weekly capped (to avoid maw 2) and i would say not entirely tied to xpack could be a good idea. I would personally make it mostly non-influential in instanced content

[Reive]

That's quite an argument to make considering that this is the expansion that introduced dynamic flying and a dedicated support spec. These two features are going to change WoW forever, and those weren't even the only features added this expansion.

i love dragonriding but let's not act like people spend most of the time flying around. dragonrding is a feature but it's not meaningful content. same for aug evoker. most people don't play evoker at all. the fact they added the spec doesn't mean much

[Teriz]

i love dragonriding but let's not act like people spend most of the time flying around. dragonrding is a feature but it's not meaningful content. same for aug evoker. most people don't play evoker at all. the fact they added the spec doesn't mean much

Considering that Blizzard is eventually spreading dragon riding to all flying mounts, adding it to the old world, and even talk of expanding it to Druid flight form, I would definitely consider that meaningful content. It's a system that's going to be with us for the duration of this game from expansion to expansion. Further, it's likely to influence how zones are designed moving forward, such as the Dragon Isle zones having more verticality than previous WoW zones.

If that isn't a meaningful feature, nothing (to you) is, and you're just being negative.

[Catastrophy349]

I think a huge portion of the WoW community has amnesia. That or they're very bad at math.

[Paula Deen]

I think a huge portion of the WoW community has amnesia. That or they're very bad at math.

Referring to what?

[Reive]

Considering that Blizzard is eventually spreading dragon riding to all flying mounts, adding it to the old world, and even talk of expanding it to Druid flight form, I would definitely consider that meaningful content. It's a system that's going to be with us for the duration of this game from expansion to expansion. Further, it's likely to influence how zones are designed moving forward, such as the Dragon Isle zones having more verticality than previous WoW zones.

If that isn't a meaningful feature, nothing (to you) is, and you're just being negative.

getting from point a to point b is not meaningful content lol.

arena is meaningful content
m+ is meaningful content
player housing could be meaninful content

[Ferlion]

getting from point a to point b is not meaningful content lol.

arena is meaningful content
m+ is meaningful content
player housing could be meaninful content

I'm sorry, but again. No.

Dragonriding is very much meaningful content. It's been the most fun thing I think they've ever added to the game. I spend hours just flying around, skimming, etc. It's exceedingly fun. I admit, I'm not overly fond of the races, but the flying itself?

This isn't to say that arena or M+ aren't also meaningful content, mind.

Just that looking at Dragonriding as "Point A to point B" is an incredibly bad faith argument.

[Teriz]

getting from point a to point b is not meaningful content lol.

What about dragon riding racing in older zones?

What about using dynamic flying for gameplay purposes like offering zones more variety like valleys, caves, and peaks?

What about dynamic flight offering an additional layer of gameplay by adding a challenge aspect to traveling?

[Catastrophy349]

Referring to what?

We live in a world where news travels so fast, social media is cancer, and content creators/streamers can push their own "agenda" or "ideas" to cater to their own ideology. People are, quite literally, losing their minds over the "possibility (not even a confirmation, simply datamining)" of 10.2 being the final major patch (even if it is) and categorizing that as a 100% negative thing. Additionally, the time between "final patch" and "new expansion" in Shadowlands and, potentially Dragonflight, is STILL 100% better than almost any other expansion in WoW's history when you look at the "gap between".

Instead, Blizzard can offer us 10.2, 10.2.5, maybe 10.2.7, a 10.3 or whatever they want to call their "greatest hits season" without a new raid (depending on what they want to do), and people will STILL lose their minds. It ain't that bad, Wow player. Maybe it's time to quit, play other games, take a break, or better yet, touch some grass!

[Polybius]

i love dragonriding but let's not act like people spend most of the time flying around. dragonrding is a feature but it's not meaningful content. same for aug evoker. most people don't play evoker at all. the fact they added the spec doesn't mean much

Not mentioned yet but it feels like those efforts went towards Professions, which were in desperate need of an overhaul. Maybe they'll work in something else now that Profs were nailed.

[Merryck]

Not mentioned yet but it feels like those efforts went towards Professions, which were in desperate need of an overhaul. Maybe they'll work in something else now that Profs were nailed.

That's the thing though. They've said, going forward, they're focusing on revamping the base systems rather than inventing new ones. Glyphs could be next. Class skins?

[Reive]

I'm sorry, but again. No.

Dragonriding is very much meaningful content. It's been the most fun thing I think they've ever added to the game. I spend hours just flying around, skimming, etc. It's exceedingly fun. I admit, I'm not overly fond of the races, but the flying itself?

This isn't to say that arena or M+ aren't also meaningful content, mind.

Just that looking at Dragonriding as "Point A to point B" is an incredibly bad faith argument.

i mean, it's flying lol it's not something you're going to do for hours. yeah it's a fun minigame, but not much more

What about dragon riding racing in older zones?

What about using dynamic flying for gameplay purposes like offering zones more variety like valleys, caves, and peaks?

What about dynamic flight offering an additional layer of gameplay by adding a challenge aspect to traveling?

1) once and done and only doable in certain periods of the year
2) valleys, caves and peaks were a thing even before dragonriding. they started "flattening" the zones when ion decided that flying before the end of the expansion was bad
3) as i said above, fun minigame but not much more

Not mentioned yet but it feels like those efforts went towards Professions, which were in desperate need of an overhaul. Maybe they'll work in something else now that Profs were nailed.

i like they gave professions more relevance but i don't like how convoluted the new profession system is

[Paula Deen]

i mean, it's flying lol it's not something you're going to do for hours. yeah it's a fun minigame, but not much more

I would venture to guess atleast a fifth of a WoW Player's time in total is just flying...but yeah sure not something you'll do for hours ROFL

[vizzle]

Can someone explain what the story was this expansion, in relation specifically to this last raid/tier? I don't get it at all, how this Amirdrassil stuff ties everything together.

[Ferlion]

Can someone explain what the story was this expansion, in relation specifically to this last raid/tier? I don't get it at all, how this Amirdrassil stuff ties everything together.

Iridikron is more or less trying to keep us busy while he does whatever.

There hasn't been a real "world ending" threat at this point.

[shieldslammer]

Can someone explain what the story was this expansion, in relation specifically to this last raid/tier? I don't get it at all, how this Amirdrassil stuff ties everything together.

Dragons lost powers in cataclysm. Dragons old enemies primals escaped from prison. Dragons tried to get dragon powers back with oathstones. Oathstones did nothing. Dragons sat around while player character killed two primals for the dragons. 1 primal noped out with knaifu. Other one joined dragons to become new aspect. Dragons got powers back via amirdrassil.

[huth]

Dragons lost powers in cataclysm. Dragons old enemies primals escaped from prison. Dragons tried to get dragon powers back with oathstones. Oathstones did nothing. Dragons sat around while player character killed two primals for the dragons. 1 primal noped out with knaifu. Other one joined dragons to become new aspect. Dragons got powers back via amirdrassil.

You forgot the part where the remaining Incarnate obtained Shadowflame powers and is invading the Dream to get the tree's power. You know, the part that's important to understand what's going on in 10.2.

[ro9ue]

Need the dragon shield updated in the dragon expansion before its over pls.