The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[ercarp]

All mine left when Zaralek dropped and are playing other things, I've been trying desperately to get them back to being interested, while some are saying they will return to see what 10.2 is like most of them have just gone dormant, Hell I still try and drill up talking in Discord everyday to try and keep people engaged, sadly im still alone in the game and I want this to change.

I think something needs to change with the game, not us or our friends. Obviously any game is made more enjoyable when played with friends, but it shouldn't feel like you have to do that in order to get even a little bit of enjoyment out of the game.

During Legion, I played mostly solo and I was having a blast. The lore and story were good, M+ was still fresh, there was plenty of content and a steady patch cycle, and the future of the franchise looked optimistic. Now, the lore and story are... not good, M+ is a shell of its former self, and the future of the franchise looks worse with every passing year. DF has had a solid patch cycle though, I'll give it that.

Bit of a doomer take, I guess. I'm still hopeful that the game can change for the better, especially now with Metzen back on the team, but we'll just have to wait and see.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

And funnily enough, BFA was hated at the end of it.. just like DF is now. There is 1 certainty with the WoW playerbase, no matter what side:

Current expansion is shit, and <insert random past expansion here> was the best.

It's hilarious really.

I mean BFA didn't have good reception through the expansion not only end of it.. Actually if i remember correctly when it comes to last patch features, wasn't end of BFA praised for the corruption and visions systems?


"Current expansion is shit, and <insert random past expansion here> was the best." i mean a portion of playerbase is saying that, im not one of those people and will never be, i posted a longer post about what i like and dislike about DF in different thread and i will never praise either Shadowlands or BFA as top tier expansions.

[Xilurm]

people hating on dragonflight really need to take off the nostalgia pill and rose tinted glasses and realize its one of the first expansions in a long time we've had since legion. because bfa and sl were a hot mess not just for the game but for its legacy and blizzard as a whole...

People need to stop with this hot take. Are the new employees literally incapable of creating quality content because they ain't assholes or something? What kind of logic is that?

If anything, now that employees aren't harassed, or made to crunch or whatever else have you when it comes to bad practices then they should be eager to do better work?

[ercarp]

This is mainly why this is doomer commentary & we're tired of seeing it here... in a speculation thread. They just said they're still playing despite all their friends quitting. By your own logic that means the game is fun on its own actually.

I don't think there's anything wrong with sharing what we dislike about the current game and what we hope to see changed in the future. I think all of that still falls under the umbrella of speculation, but I can see how it could be construed differently. It's also nearly impossible to stay 100% on topic 100% of the time, especially when you're replying to someone else.

[Xilurm]

A welcome one but given she is getting the blessing of the tree. . .

Maybe that was the plan all along.

DUN DUN DUUUUUN....

[FelPlague]

Doubt it, wearing squid-face isn't befitting of our Goddess of the moon!

Very true
Also wonderful signature.

[Kiria]

I think something needs to change with the game, not us or our friends. Obviously any game is made more enjoyable when played with friends, but it shouldn't feel like you have to do that in order to get even a little bit of enjoyment out of the game.

During Legion, I played mostly solo and I was having a blast. The lore and story were good, M+ was still fresh, there was plenty of content and a steady patch cycle, and the future of the franchise looked optimistic. Now, the lore and story are... not good, M+ is a shell of its former self, and the future of the franchise looks worse with every passing year. DF has had a solid patch cycle though, I'll give it that.

Bit of a doomer take, I guess. I'm still hopeful that the game can change for the better, especially now with Metzen back on the team, but we'll just have to wait and see.

I think the banter in chat and organizing things together makes the world of difference instead of silent pugs so I agree something is pushing people away.

I still play everyday, infact I've gone all the way back to the beginning of the game and started with the addon ATT.

[Dancaris]

Man, most people HATED MoP and some time at the end of WoD/at the start of Legion moP was started being hailed as a golden era of WoW.

I remember Legion was hated as much as SL now. But patches were good.
Give it time, after 11.0 we will hear much about how SL was good, sure it had problems but but but...
Even now we can hear that WoD was great, Cata was awesome. And that who played then remember all shit that was thrown at blizz when expanisons were live.

[Nymrohd]

During Legion, I played mostly solo and I was having a blast. The lore and story were good, M+ was still fresh, there was plenty of content and a steady patch cycle, and the future of the franchise looked optimistic. Now, the lore and story are... not good, M+ is a shell of its former self, and the future of the franchise looks worse with every passing year. DF has had a solid patch cycle though, I'll give it that.

On M+ I'd say Legion had very strongly thematic dungeons and also had by far the easiest dungeons. By making M+ very competitive and trying to reach some parity of difficulty with Mythic raiding to excuse giving near identical rewards, they made even the base versions of dungeons far more complex. People like to occasionally have mindless fun.

[Teriz]

Is there any real reason for why the majority of leaks and theories are so convinced that we're going to Avaloren in 11.0?

My problem with Avaloren is that it’s yet another mysterious land hidden by mists/storms that is influenced by titans and dragons. It sounds more like an extension of Dragonflight than a new expansion on its own.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I remember Legion was hated as much as SL now. But patches were good.
Give it time, after 11.0 we will hear much about how SL was good, sure it had problems but but but...
Even now we can hear that WoD was great, Cata was awesome. And that who played then remember all shit that was thrown at blizz when expanisons were live.

You can hear that whole expansions are great or people are mentioning certain stuff that was great?

I can mention WoD lvling and quests, storylines ending with a bang at the end of the zones, do i praise whole expansion? Do people mentioning one thing about said expansion, actually praise the whole x expansion or certain stuff?

Also Legion was hated as much as SL now? Where?

[Foolicious]

Man, most people HATED MoP and some time at the end of WoD/at the start of Legion moP was started being hailed as a golden era of WoW.

I still think this comes down mostly to class design. Mop's content was fine. Some standouts, lots of average content, lots of frustrating things like daylies. Almost everyone that plays since then lists the mop or wod version of a spec as favourite. If you are having a blast playing with your class you have more fun doing bad content. Thats why mop still holds up and bfa for example is a dumpster fire.

[Kiria]

You can hear that whole expansions are great or people are mentioning certain stuff that was great?

I can mention WoD lvling and quests, storylines ending with a bang at the end of the zones, do i praise whole expansion? Do people mentioning one thing about said expansion, actually praise the whole x expansion or certain stuff?

Also Legion was hated as much as SL now? Where?

The only people who truly hated and were very vocal against Legion were the hardcore raiders who had to earn so much AP in a week in order to be chosen to do the raid, for casuals like most of us, it was great fun.

[micwini]

This could more or less just mean an 10.2.5 and/or 10.2.7, which I think most people were expecting, anyway.

What if they are going to have a 10.3 and a 10.4? Each with their own raid and 10.4 having another curve mount etc.
Probably not but yeah interesting. It's weird why they refuse to acknowledge whether 10.2 is the last patch or not, while in SL they straight up told us at the announcement of the patch.

[Dancaris]

From buffed interview

buffed : Worgen and night elves have disappeared from Stormwind on the PTR. Will they live in the Emerald Dream from now on?

Katherine Bankson: It's potentially one of the new havens for the night elves, but I wouldn't say it's their only home. It's certainly a place they can call home, but it's not the only place.

The night elves have experienced a number of tragedies over the past 10,000 years and have often had to look for a new home. They hope that they will find peace in their dreams and will not have to search for a new home again. For us, Amirdrassil is a place where you can rest until you find something new.

So Amirdrassil is not main capital? Hyjal still has it hope to me
Maybe there will be more world trees across Azeroth. Hyjal, BI, DI. At least 3 will be acting.

Also
>Amirdrassil growing and coming to Azeroth is something both factions are interested in
That is strange topic. What is deal with Horde at Amirdrassil. Dont take away NE victory once again. Give them big W and leave them for 3-4 expacs.

[lanerios]

Man, most people HATED MoP and some time at the end of WoD/at the start of Legion moP was started being hailed as a golden era of WoW.

yea, MoP and Legion are both great examples of everyone hating them endlessly and now going "omg it had such good content! They were the best expansions". At the end of next expansion? People will be praising DF and SL, just wait for it.

[Nymrohd]

I remember Legion was hated as much as SL now. But patches were good.
Give it time, after 11.0 we will hear much about how SL was good, sure it had problems but but but...
Even now we can hear that WoD was great, Cata was awesome. And that who played then remember all shit that was thrown at blizz when expanisons were live.

We have a reasonably small community here. I can say that most people have kept their opinions very consistent. Sure if you are looking at aggragates you may be seeing shifts but that doesn't mean people who consistently play the game have changed their minds significantly. Also how we evaluate each expansion is a lot more nuanced than simply good/bad.

[Enrif]

Maybe that was the plan all along.

DUN DUN DUUUUUN....

i mean, Vyranoth has no issues with the plans of the primalists, only with Fyraks way of doing it after he consumed the shadowflame. Once he is out of the way, and she gets a powerboost from the tree, well, things could get frosty.

And being the calculated, cold blooded, calm mind in contrast to Fyrakks unhinged hot blooded madness is fitting.

I think Vyranoth is still an antagonist, but one with a good cause. It will probably not end with a raid though...

[Worldshaper]

My problem with Avaloren is that it’s yet another mysterious land hidden by mists/storms that is influenced by titans and dragons. It sounds more like an extension of Dragonflight than a new expansion on its own.

As long as hold my theory of a trilogy of trilogies to be true, you'll know roughly what to expect.

TBC -> WoD -> Legion
WotLK -> BfA -> SL
Cata -> DF -> 11.0

Expect cultists/Old Gods/Void, elements/Elementals/Elemental Lords/Thrall, dragons/Dragon Aspects/big bad dragon, and Azeroth/revamp from both Dragonflight and 11.0, in some shape or form.

[Wangming]

We have a reasonably small community here. I can say that most people have kept their opinions very consistent. Sure if you are looking at aggragates you may be seeing shifts but that doesn't mean people who consistently play the game have changed their minds significantly. Also how we evaluate each expansion is a lot more nuanced than simply good/bad.

Well, there is one thing I can say in favor of BfA and SL right now. They took risks. Systems like warfront, island expeditions and Torghast were new things that had the potential to bite them in the arse. And Torghast kinda did. But they did risk it. And I hope 11.0 will take risks like that as well.