The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[ercarp]

"tinker" technology in wow is heavily tied into gnome and goblin aesthetic, which just isn't popular in my opinion.

Fixed that for you.

Mechagon was wildly popular despite its gnome aesthetic. Probably one of the most successful patch zones Blizzard has ever made.

As for goblins... I think Motherlode is the most recent goblin-themed addition to the game. I didn't mind the aesthetic personally (and didn't see anyone else complaining about it either to be fair), but I hated the dungeon regardless for completely different reasons—at least until Season 4 of BfA when you could skip most of the trash.

The goblin starting zone I will say I'm not a fan of. It looks depressing.

[Hitei]

Fixed that for you.

Mechagon was wildly popular despite its gnome aesthetic. Probably one of the most successful patch zones Blizzard has ever made.

Yes. Exactly.

[ercarp]

Yes. Exactly.

I don't think you're making the point you think you're making, but okay. Moving on!

[PotHockets]

Fixed that for you.

Mechagon was wildly popular despite its gnome aesthetic. Probably one of the most successful patch zones Blizzard has ever made.

As for goblins... I think Motherlode is the most recent goblin-themed addition to the game. I didn't mind the aesthetic personally (and didn't see anyone else complaining about it either to be fair), but I hated the dungeon regardless for completely different reasons—at least until Season 4 of BfA when you could skip most of the trash.

The goblin starting zone I will say I'm not a fan of. It looks depressing.

Motherlode is definitely one of the cooler dungeons vibe/aesthetic wise. The bosses are cool too. I just hated the trash in M+.

[flan1337]

Man, I can't believe this thread is losing steam the closer to BlizzCon we get.

We need a new controlled leak!

Marlamin, what are you sitting on? Spill your secrets, birb.

To be honest I think there isn't a lot of hype around 11.0 could be that the DF story still feels like we just started.

[Ferlion]

My chair properly for the first time in 2 days, I've been kind of sick.

Sorry to hear that, my dude.

Stay well hydrated!

[ercarp]

Motherlode is definitely one of the cooler dungeons vibe/aesthetic wise. The bosses are cool too. I just hated the trash in M+.

Yeah, I like the kind of retrofuturistic vibe they have going on in Motherlode. It gave me some Bioshock/Fallout vibes. If they add more goblin zones, that's the vibe they should be going for, not whatever the goblin starting zone was.

[PotHockets]

To be honest I think there isn't a lot of hype around 11.0 could be that the DF story still feels like we just started.

You might be right and the DF story really does feel like we're only half way through it tops but I also think DF being the most well received to actually play expansion since Legion is part of it. It's the old adage of people that are enjoying themselves aren't online complaining they're just in the game having fun.

[ercarp]

My chair properly for the first time in 2 days, I've been kind of sick.

Get better soon!

[Woggmer]

It was less about being locked into specific races and more about general aesthetics. See: Monk. Monk suffers because regardless of what you are playing it on, it's still extremely pandaren/august celestial in aesthetic. "tinker" technology in wow is heavily tied into gnome and goblin aesthetic, which just isn't popular.

Monks aren't limited to Pandaren, there was that one Scarlet Monk (Brother Korloff) who learned the ways of a monk from the Pandaren, but incorporated his own style to it by adding flames and fire into the mix. If someone wanted to, they could replace Xuen with another powerful feral tiger like Shalamayne or Kimbul... or replace Niuzao with Ursoc (this is only an example, I know Ursoc is dead for good) or some other Wild God.

It is possible to not have it be tethered to just Pandaren/August Celestial aesthetics.. the problem is due to the game's code and because of Blizzard trying to not let players customize their moves because of "visual cues" like how Beholder can't be used in place of the Fel-Hunter for warlocks because it would "confuse pvp players."

[Valysar]

2 "Beats to Chill To | Journey to BlizzCon" videos ... Hum

Bards confirmed.

[Ferlion]

To be honest I think there isn't a lot of hype around 11.0 could be that the DF story still feels like we just started.

I.. don't really think that is it, but I DO feel that there is a pretty good reason things aren't really "hyped" as it were.

The simple truth is, this is the first Expansion in a hot minute where we don't really know where we are going next. We knew the Legion was after WoD. We knew BFA/Old Gods was after Legion. We knew Shadowlands was after BFA.

We didn't know the exact details, but we had an inkling of where we were going.

I don't think the next expansion build up/hints are going to be from books. Right now, the biggest hint we have is everyone is talking about renewal and the World Tree being good for everyone on Azeroth. That makes me thing world revamp with a side of Void.

But honestly, we just don't have a way of knowing.

[Hitei]

Yeah, I like the kind of retrofuturistic vibe they have going on in Motherlode. It gave me some Bioshock/Fallout vibes. If they add more goblin zones, that's the vibe they should be going for, not whatever the goblin starting zone was.

It's almost entirely the same assets. It's just nighttime and there's azerite stuff around.

[Selorian]

I think that's more due to meta reasons than thematic ones. Players are constantly complaining about monks getting the short end of the stick.

I also wouldn't say "since its inception", I think monks have definitely had their time in the spotlight and they tend to weave (heh) in and out of the meta as time goes on. I remember Mistweaver being fun to play in Legion.

And as other users have pointed out, there are lore reasons to justify Tinkers being available to some of the other races as well. Doesn't have to be just goblins and gnomes.

Meta/balance has very little impact on overall popularity of a class/spec, even in Mythic raids. Only at the real top end (Hall of Fame/M+ title) does this really break.

https://www.dataforazeroth.com/stats/classes/level70 -- This data isn't perfect but I can't imagine it's too far off. I know the top 3 are almost surely locked in.

Even just looking at # of parses/kills by a class/spec on WCL, some specs are always over/underrepresented compared to their strength because they're just more popular.

imo Tinkers would need to be available to non-goblin/gnome races to get real popularity.

[PotHockets]

Meta/balance has very little impact on overall popularity of a class/spec, even in Mythic raids. Only at the real top end (Hall of Fame/M+ title) does this really break.

https://www.dataforazeroth.com/stats/classes/level70 -- This data isn't perfect but I can't imagine it's too far off. I know the top 3 are almost surely locked in.

Even just looking at # of parses/kills by a class/spec on WCL, some specs are always over/underrepresented compared to their strength because they're just more popular.

imo Tinkers would need to be available to non-goblin/gnome races to get real popularity.

I am floored that DH's are that popular. I feel like I rarely see them.

[Baraden]

Replace "time travel" with "going to the afterlife while alive" and the rest of the statement applies equally well to Shadowlands.

Absolutely; I would bet all of my money they never directly reference how death works in WoW again, because Shadowlands makes it utterly meaningless

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2 "Beats to Chill To | Journey to BlizzCon" videos ... Hum

Bards confirmed.

Bard would be the most disappointing class reveal ever

[Raetary]

https://www.dataforazeroth.com/stats/classes/level70 -- This data isn't perfect but I can't imagine it's too far off. I know the top 3 are almost surely locked in.

I'm surprised to see Rogues that low.

[Baraden]

Atramedes/Imperial Vizier zor'lok/Murmur. Already a pretty established sound magic damage in the game.

But that's not what a bard is; and what a bard traditionally is supposed to be has never existed in WoW lore - it would be an asspull to justify it

[Chickat]

Tinkers would actually be such a cool addition, I don't know why people are hating on them constantly.

I think a lot of people would like them, but the constant tinkerwank for a decade is annoying sometimes. Nothing against him personally. I will say hes definitely stuck to his guns though. He hasn't wavered a bit.

[Selorian]

I am floored that DH's are that popular. I feel like I rarely see them.

It's super popular, you get to be Illidan and do kickflips and anime stuff.

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I'm surprised to see Rogues that low.

I suspect DH stole a fair bit of the Rogue playerbase