The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[D4NNYB0Y]

with all due respect, you are using a random third party source with 0 idea of:

How many of these are actually played
How many have these as their main
etc

To give an example, I have MCH on max level on a character, but guess what? I don't play it because it was just a fun trip for me to get to max.

For sure, I chose that site because it seemed to be widely used among the FFXIV community, and its data had been updated relatively recently. I didn't personally verify their statistical methods, and I won't tell anyone here it is 100% proof of any argument. Just thought it was interesting data.

[Ferlion]

As far as "Bards have no place in the lore and were never mentioned before", something I do want to say into that is a class really doesn't have to be established.

Like, you can quite easily create the lore to be "A bunch of mages were researching magic and found a way to transmit arcane energy through vibration" or any number of things. The idea that a new class has to have it's own source of power is an odd one.

If Monk and Shaman can be separate classes, despite fundamentally using the same type of power (Elemental magic), then a bard and a mage can certainly be it's own classes.

We have to remember that lorewise, even amongst elves, the use and understanding of magic exploded after the First war. Especially in warfare.

[Chickat]

Unless their opening ceremony is already packed. They got to keep it under 45 minutes somehow.

They 100% would not preview the Early 2024 expansion two weeks after announcing the Late 2023 expansion. Especially not when that expansion is rendering half the standard cards obsolete. They might show a 2024 roadmap, but they didn't do that for 2023. They're likely just going to show the animated trailer.

I hate that I want a cowboy expansion for wow now.

What if one of the zones next xpac is wild west themed. Cos boys, guns, saloons, duels at noon, picking a side frenzy heart style with either the humanoid cowboys or the tauren like natives. That sounds so cool. Could be a dusty/grasslands zone hybrid. Grassy areas with dusty cactus deserts on the outskirts.

[Harbour]

I wonder why Blizzard chose Jaina and Thrall for their new YouTube music videos.

Last ones they released were for major Shadowlands characters, one for each zone.

Surely to throw a bone to thirsty shippers like me and i love it even though im joking.

[Futhark]

It's been 10 years since I made this post, and it is still the only version of a mechanical-based class that I could see in WoW:

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...cept-Titanborn

[lanerios]

For sure, I chose that site because it seemed to be widely used among the FFXIV community, and its data had been updated relatively recently. I didn't personally verify their statistical methods, and I won't tell anyone here it is 100% proof of any argument. Just thought it was interesting data.

It is, I added some of my insights to it.

Also looking at said website, we need to look at Ranged DPS, because that is what they are.

Black Mage: 1037626
Arcanist: 1121032
Red Mage: 1078468 (ranged is debatable, since it's more of a mix)
Bard: 1058960
Machinist: 1033852

So out of the ranged? It's the least popular.

Looking at purely dps, the only classes below it are:

Blue Mage (because it can't be played in main content and is more of a side gimmick, much like the Brawler's Guild)
Dancer at 1021943
Reaper at 1010259
Ninja at 993542
Monk at 980965

Which is rather interesting because it shows that the more complicated classes (Monk, Ninja and Reaper) are played the least. Dancer, I have no idea why. But eh, gamers are weird


Also, take these with a huge grain of salt, because I have no idea how trustworthy that site is.

Although especially with FFXIV it's difficult to check this data reliably, since every character can be every class. So to see who plays what actively? That will be really difficult.

[Sondrelk]

#Nomoreleaks#

Is that what your superiors at Blizzard have told you?

[PotHockets]

What if one of the zones next xpac is wild west themed. Cos boys, guns, saloons, duels at noon, picking a side frenzy heart style with either the humanoid cowboys or the tauren like natives. That sounds so cool. Could be a dusty/grasslands zone hybrid. Grassy areas with dusty cactus deserts on the outskirts.

I'm gonna laugh my ass off if both WoW and XIV are doing a go west across the seas to an amalgam of the Americas expansion

[lanerios]

It's been 10 years since I made this post, and it is still the only version of a mechanical-based class that I could see in WoW:

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...cept-Titanborn

I would love to see something like this. A "created" race for the purpose of the titan's use. And whatever the plot does? the race can go along with it or against it.

[Chickat]

Hearthstone kinda shows why 2 year expansions for WoW might not be the best for varied themes. 1 year expansions might have been ideal for content variety if there was only a way to make the expansions actually worthwhile.

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I can't really see what bundle they would push before Blizzcon that would actually hint at a future expansion at this point. Given the hidgepodge of themes present my only guess would be a world revamp, but if it's the backside of Azeroth then what mounts and pets could they possibly give?

I think I would be okay with and enjoy an 18 month expansion. A nice middle ground. 3 raid tiers.

[Nymrohd]

https://twitter.com/icyveins/status/1715066325729452228

So Blizzcon mount for D4 was removed for now, but to me its interesting that it has blue lightning special effect. Coincidence or elemental theme for next expansion is confirmed?


edit: looks like i wasnt the first one to bring this up.

Blue and Lightning are Mephisto's colors and theme.

[Sondrelk]

As far as "Bards have no place in the lore and were never mentioned before", something I do want to say into that is a class really doesn't have to be established.

Like, you can quite easily create the lore to be "A bunch of mages were researching magic and found a way to transmit arcane energy through vibration" or any number of things. The idea that a new class has to have it's own source of power is an odd one.

If Monk and Shaman can be separate classes, despite fundamentally using the same type of power (Elemental magic), then a bard and a mage can certainly be it's own classes.

We have to remember that lorewise, even amongst elves, the use and understanding of magic exploded after the First war. Especially in warfare.

You could, though you still need to have a class that people will be excited to play. Even Evokers with their flimsy justification, and nonexistent place in previous lore was fulfilling a specific WoW class fantasy, that of playing a Dragon. It was heavily modified to fit the class system and requirements of size, but still.

Bards are fully doable within WoW, and you could easily make up some lore for them, but you still wouldnt have any hook for players to latch onto for why they should be excited to play them beyond the baseline "new class" factor.

[Alanar]

high rats rat'dorei

I would have been totally fooled if only the current character selection screen was used!

[Sondrelk]

I think I would be okay with and enjoy an 18 month expansion. A nice middle ground. 3 raid tiers.

I think it could work, though at that point I would rather they go the full hog and make 12 month expansions with more variety. One "expansion" with 3 or 4 zones, then a patch with one more. Then repeat next year.

[PotHockets]

You could, though you still need to have a class that people will be excited to play. Even Evokers with their flimsy justification, and nonexistent place in previous lore was fulfilling a specific WoW class fantasy, that of playing a Dragon. It was heavily modified to fit the class system and requirements of size, but still.

Bards are fully doable within WoW, and you could easily make up some lore for them, but you still wouldnt have any hook for players to latch onto for why they should be excited to play them beyond the baseline "new class" factor.

I would argue that just being a Bard is the appeal for a lot of people. Bards are a pretty popular fantasy archetype through all forms of fantasy media.

[Ferlion]

I'm gonna laugh my ass off if both WoW and XIV are doing a go west across the seas to an amalgam of the Americas expansion

This is funny to me, because Kalimdor is essentially the Americas expansion of WoW. A continent that nobody knew about that was being settled by the older kingdoms (Theramore).

People tend to forget that Kalimdor was the equivalent of Atlantas pre-WC3. As in, it was a continent people thought sunk and destroyed. Except the Elves.

[Magistrate]

As far as "Bards have no place in the lore and were never mentioned before", something I do want to say into that is a class really doesn't have to be established.

Like, you can quite easily create the lore to be "A bunch of mages were researching magic and found a way to transmit arcane energy through vibration" or any number of things. The idea that a new class has to have it's own source of power is an odd one.

If Monk and Shaman can be separate classes, despite fundamentally using the same type of power (Elemental magic), then a bard and a mage can certainly be it's own classes.

We have to remember that lorewise, even amongst elves, the use and understanding of magic exploded after the First war. Especially in warfare.

Klaxxi

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Also some holy magic uses notes in its particles I think.

[PotHockets]

This is funny to me, because Kalimdor is essentially the Americas expansion of WoW. A continent that nobody knew about that was being settled by the older kingdoms (Theramore).

People tend to forget that Kalimdor was the equivalent of Atlantas pre-WC3. As in, it was a continent people thought sunk and destroyed. Except the Elves.

Oh yeah Kalimdor and especially the Tauren have that Americas vibe I just meant even more on the nose. Like how Dawntrail is pretty much just FF South/Central America.

It would be hilarious to see Avaloren just be North America but WoW.

[DiscipleofCazicThule]

I just hope that if they do make a machinist type class, they don't call it tinker. The name doesn't sound like a class to me. I'd much prefer something like Artificer or something.

I wonder if the next class, whether it'll be in 11.0 or beyond, will be a "hero" class or one that starts at the bottom, like monk. I've read that one of the reasons the monk class wasn't nearly as popular is because it had to be leveled during a time when the game wasn't nearly as alt friendly as it is now.

[Nymrohd]

I would argue that just being a Bard is the appeal for a lot of people. Bards are a pretty popular fantasy archetype through all forms of fantasy media.

I mean bards are fun when you can make use of the charisma. Not really possible in WoW. Like e.g. BG3 if you are not playing a Bard for at least one playthrough, you are doing it wrong.