The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hitei]

Somehow we're now to believe that this immensely powerful, knowledgeable, and ancient pantheon of gods who traversed the universe for eons together, shaping worlds in a common project of ordering the cosmos, suddenly are not on the same page as they shape the most important world they ever found. How do they solve this difference? By debating the reasons for their design in light of the immense wisdom they all possess? (That's how they initially approached Sargeras, after all.) No. Rather, they settle it in the style of a school-yard fight. Aman'thul acts like a 6-year old boy who kicks another kid's sandcastle and makes her cry, only to have Eonar get her petty revenge by having her friend continue her work behind Aman'thul's back.

But it isn't. That's the whole point.

We have literally seen this exact situation with them in their very first incarnation: Sargeras thought he was right, made an executive decision (cutting a planet in half and deciding to wage war against the universe) and the others were horrified and shocked. Now you have Aman'thul, thinking he is right, making an executive decision insiginificant in comparison, ripping apart one tree, (just like he did with Y'shaarj despite not knowing how it might harm the planet, so I don't know why we're pretending this is out of character) and another Titan being horrified and saddened by it.

Nothing has changed here. The Titans started off making extremely questionable choices and able to quickly be at odds with each other, the Titans continued to make questionable choices, and here we are, finding out that yet another questionable choice was made and that they can get in fights.

[Vlyse]

I want every Kalimdor and EK zone reimagined and widely expanded some day, with each region its own expansion. Regions like Lordaeron, Stormwind/Azeroth, and Southern Kalimdor lend themselves pretty easily as future xpac settings with varied enemies and stories, while night elf lands and dwarf lands would be kinda same-y, so I dunno what to do there.

[Nymrohd]

Honestly it is this depiction that makes me thing that the Titans are a Pantheon who has chosen to align with Order but they are not OF Order. Because nothing about their behaviour is orderly. They are authoritarian because of their level of power but that's it. They don't act as one, they don't have complex laws, they are certainly not dispassionate. They've chosen Order of the different forces because they want to impose their own vision to the words they visit.

[Ferlion]

Honestly it is this depiction that makes me thing that the Titans are a Pantheon who has chosen to align with Order but they are not OF Order. Because nothing about their behaviour is orderly. They are authoritarian because of their level of power but that's it. They don't act as one, they don't have complex laws, they are certainly not dispassionate. They've chosen Order of the different forces because they want to impose their own vision to the words they visit.

They also don't spawn in the plane of order.

[GhostFish]

Honestly it is this depiction that makes me thing that the Titans are a Pantheon who has chosen to align with Order but they are not OF Order. Because nothing about their behaviour is orderly. They are authoritarian because of their level of power but that's it. They don't act as one, they don't have complex laws, they are certainly not dispassionate. They've chosen Order of the different forces because they want to impose their own vision to the words they visit.

I think it's possible that the Order Pantheon under Aman'thul absorbed the Life Pantheon. Order can't help but try to force itself on life, but it can fail spectacularly. The Titans are kind of a mess because it's a blended family living under an authoritarian control freak.

[Chickat]

Totally unrelated to this thread, but does anyone know of a way to have a custom auto zoom distance when mounted vs when on foot? I want to zoom in a bit on foot and when doing easy WQ etc, but I want to be zoomed all the way out when mounted/dragonriding.

[flan1337]

No riddles, no fun :F <3

I keep going back to the AI image and honestly - what if we got an Outlands revamp?

[Eeram]

No riddles, no fun :F <3

Mr.Scaleface can i ask do you actually know the next expansion?

Ahhh shit i just looked at Scaleface Past post as of Recent. He said they had 4 items being prepared Shadowlands(shadowlands) Dragons(Dragonflight) LightVsVoid and underground.
With that being said i think LightVsVoid Might actually be whats up next. With us heading towards Khaz Algar For Pre patch.
i could see us following Iridikron to it or something where Xal'atath body is an we find goblins putting plates on her body which they finish right befor we get there then BAM cinematic She comes flying out of the Facility Void spilling everywhere she flys through the zones Remaking them Killing nature spilling void everywhere then she lands on Org an thats the end of the cinematic... GREAT MORE COSMIC STUFF ALREADY

[PotHockets]

I think it's possible that the Order Pantheon under Aman'thul absorbed the Life Pantheon. Order can't help but try to force itself on life, but it can fail spectacularly. The Titans are kind of a mess because it's a blended family living under an authoritarian control freak.

If we're going that far with the theory then what if they aren't even actually Order aligned. I swear I remember them saying recentlyish that there's actually a 7th cosmic force at odds with all the rest so what if they're actually something else? Something outside of the cosmology as we know it.

[Harbour]

Do you know what i want?
This idea was in my mind for like 5 years.
I want World Quests to expand all over the old world and continents.
I want each zone to have 4-5 World Quests, with the chance to get an item in shape of ANY random item piece (Cosmetic, so no stats), besides basic Gold/XP/Rep.
Green WQ may have the Green Piece of Gear or Weapon depicted.
Blue - Rare.
Purple - Unique.
So you open up the world map, check out the zones, see - oh shit, WQ in Westfall gives me that rare sword i cant get from that rare spawn.
You fly there and you take it.
Also there is the new type of WQ - Orange - Legendary.
Its a scenario for multiple people, with reasonable time limit (whatever comfortable for players, see Time Rifts). You go in, you do scenario, you get significant amount of gold, and the chance to get random mount or super rare item.
Legendary WQ spawn randomly and rare enough to not shower everyone in cool shit.
And obivously, WQ are available for leveling since level 10, and generally all of them are associated with the local zone story line.
So if you are level 15 and you want to have fun in Westfall, you can go to Westfall and WQs there would be basically the same quests you did in previous expansions - help farmers, kill Brotherhood, kill murlocs etc.
You get gold, XP and randomly - an item.

This simple system would have make the whole world alive.

[matijwow]

If we're going that far with the theory then what if they aren't even actually Order aligned. I swear I remember them saying recentlyish that there's actually a 7th cosmic force at odds with all the rest so what if they're actually something else? Something outside of the cosmology as we know it.

On Wowpedia you can read "Expedition Report A37J - Part 4" and "Firim in Exile, Part 7" that talk about the relation between the 6 forces and a 7th.

I interpret it as at the beginning of the world, there weren't six separate realms but a unified reality. Then the First Ones divided it into six forms of magic, each in its own realm, balanced against each other. If the forces become unbalanced, this entire order falls apart. Think of white light being refracted into a rainbow through a prism.

[Nymrohd]

If we're going that far with the theory then what if they aren't even actually Order aligned. I swear I remember them saying recentlyish that there's actually a 7th cosmic force at odds with all the rest so what if they're actually something else? Something outside of the cosmology as we know it.

I for one think the World Souls are the natural outcome of the Six Forces interacting in the Physical Realm and the end result of what the First Ones were trying to achieve. That they chose Order is incidental; Order was probably the first force to approach them successfully with some of the Titans likely also having strong relations with Life and Light. Order probably is the one that set them up against demons and Fel since they are opposing forces.

[matijwow]

Do you know what i want?
This idea was in my mind for like 5 years.
I want World Quests to expand all over the old world and continents.
I want each zone to have 4-5 World Quests, with the chance to get an item in shape of ANY random item piece (Cosmetic, so no stats), besides basic Gold/XP/Rep.
Green WQ may have the Green Piece of Gear or Weapon depicted.
Blue - Rare.
Purple - Unique.
So you open up the world map, check out the zones, see - oh shit, WQ in Westfall gives me that rare sword i cant get from that rare spawn.
You fly there and you take it.
Also there is the new type of WQ - Orange - Legendary.
Its a scenario for multiple people, with limit (whatever comfortable for players, see Time Rifts). You go in, you do scenario, you get significant amount of gold, and the chance to get random mount or super rare item.
Legendary WQ spawn randomly and rare enough to not shower everyone in cool shit.
And obivously, WQ are available for leveling since level 10, and generally all of them are associated with the local zone story line.
So if you are level 15 and you want to have fun in Westfall, you can go to Westfall and WQs there would be basically the same quests you did in previous expansions - help farmers, kill Brotherhood, kill murlocs etc.
You get gold, XP and randomly - an item.

This simple system would have make the whole world alive.

One issue is that the world feels alive when you see a lot of people. The more zones there are to do stuff in, the more dispersed players get. It's why leveling in the world is so lonely now.

[Merryck]

I wish we could learn more about Aluneth. It's interesting how there're these absurdly powerful arcane beings who aren't necessarily of the Titans, but respect them immensely.

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Beings like Aluneth must be to the Arcane what the Naaru are to the Light.

[GhostFish]

Tbf here, he was a different case cause we were just so goated lmaooo

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Considering the Life Pantheons presence could be felt by one of Dragons in the Emerald Dream, and considering Elune is very much still active...

No.

If Elune is a Titan from the Life Pantheon then she could have rebelled against Aman'thul's efforts to order life.

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If we're going that far with the theory then what if they aren't even actually Order aligned. I swear I remember them saying recentlyish that there's actually a 7th cosmic force at odds with all the rest so what if they're actually something else? Something outside of the cosmology as we know it.

I think the 7th was "Reality", which we see as the intersection of the six, but from another perspective it might be something different. The plane of Reality has its own proportional circle on the cosmology charts. It's just harder to notice.

[PotHockets]

On Wowpedia you can read "Expedition Report A37J - Part 4" and "Firim in Exile, Part 7" that talk about the relation between the 6 forces and a 7th.

I interpret it as at the beginning of the world, there weren't six separate realms but a unified reality. Then the First Ones divided it into six forms of magic, each in its own realm, balanced against each other. If the forces become unbalanced, this entire order falls apart. Think of white light being refracted into a rainbow through a prism.

That's what it was, I knew I remembered it from something but couldn't quite place it.

Anyways I went back and re-read both of them and to my eye they seem to heavily imply that the 7th (possibly more) force is a tangible thing of some sort that is at odds with the 6 cosmic forces. It, to me at least, implies that whatever the 7th force is it's trying to find a crack to end everything. It's at odds with all the forces and is trying to find any way it possibly can into the geometry of the cosmos.

That sounds like Odyn's MO to me. Causing trouble, having a hand or eyeball in as many different pies as he can, etc.

Granted I don't really think they would or even have considered going down that route, I just think it's an interesting idea.

[zawyer]

One issue is that the world feels alive when you see a lot of people. The more zones there are to do stuff in, the more dispersed players get. It's why leveling in the world is so lonely now.

Big difference is that levelling today isnt a part of the game. Its just a gjorde you need to do before you start playing the game, which is unfortunate.

I like the idea. Use more of the world, reduce the amount of sharding and it will more or less solve the issue with empty world.

Today it feels like they use sharding more than really needed to reduce loads on their servers..

[PotHockets]

If Elune is a Titan from the Life Pantheon then she could have rebelled against Aman'thul's efforts to order life.

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I think the 7th was "Reality", which we see as the intersection of the six, but from another perspective it might be something different. The plane of Reality has its own proportional circle on the cosmology charts. It's just harder to notice.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Exp..._A37J_-_Part_4

https://www.wowhead.com/item=189582/...n-exile-part-7

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Fir...xile,_Epilogue

I dont know rereading these it seems to imply that the 7th force, whatever it is, is something tangible and something at odds with even the First Ones. They mention how it as a concept seems to exist beyond most mortal comprehension but as something actively working against existence and the cosmos.

Plus there was whatever the hell nipple boy was worried is coming and I doubt it's the Void Lords since they still exist within the cosmology and that epilogue implies that whatever Zovaal was worried about is something beyond what Eternals can handle.

I dont expect any of this to mean anything I just kinda think it's interesting to consider.

[Merryck]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Exp..._A37J_-_Part_4

https://www.wowhead.com/item=189582/...n-exile-part-7

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Fir...xile,_Epilogue

I dont know rereading these it seems to imply that the 7th force, whatever it is, is something tangible and something at odds with even the First Ones. They mention how it as a concept seems to exist beyond most mortal comprehension but as something actively working against existence and the cosmos.

Plus there was whatever the hell nipple boy was worried is coming and I doubt it's the Void Lords since they still exist within the cosmology and that epilogue implies that whatever Zovaal was worried about is something beyond what Eternals can handle.

I dont expect any of this to mean anything I just kinda think it's interesting to consider.

The Firstest Ones

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Or ... The Last Ones

[PotHockets]

Blizzard: "Check out these exclusive BlizzCon store items and be sure to click to see everything!"

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1715125677404442949

Me: *Clicks to see everything*

Everything: "Hi, I'm just a hockey jersey that spells out the name of the next Warcraft game."

https://gear.blizzard.com/products/w...44010797302009

It's just a reference to the year WoW came out.