The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[pacotaco]

Yeah, I would expect more races/ARs over specs/a new class as well. The closest hint to a new class or spec is the music magic stuff in 10.1.5 hinting at Bard, while we've had several hints (ingame and in files) of races or subraces.

As for hints of new classes we had 2 prominently classes hinted at being a new class:
- Tinkers appeared all over the start or the expansion, with the use of Azerite for new constructions. Their 3 specs are pretty well defined in the island expeditions. They just need to flesh out the gameplay.
- Dark Rangers were also very heavily featured in the 2nd half. They even added them to the Alliance when Sylvannas betrayed us.
- Blademasters have been popping more and more since WoD. They even opened to the Alliance in BFA (a dreanei blademaster leading the assault of Nazmir, and the ankoan helping the Alliance in Nazjatar).
- In 10.2 the Sentinels of the New Moon in 10.2 are hinting at a "Night Warrior" class conflating Priestess of the moon and Wardens in the same class.

There's not even a single hint at bards being a new class, just some NPCs playing some instruments in some taverns. I'm not against the idea of bards (although it wouldn't be my 1st choice), but I see no indication of them being a class in the near future. Still, that doesn't mean i could be, after all Evoker popped from nowhere with 0 foreshadowing.

And as far as new races:
- Gilgoblin are a good candidate, as they they are already player ready. They just need to add some more customization and racials.
- They added a female body to the Ethereals in Legion and some more customization. It could be the 1st steps to make them playable.
- Ogres, sethrak and ankoan present several problems: none have female models (sethrak and ankoan probably could use the same as male with different customizations) and they lack enough customization.

[GhostFish]

Yeah I think if that is the route, they will do something like "Elun'ahir + Azeroth World Soul turned it into Hollow Earth" with minimal "you are in a cave/underground" imagery (so fake skies, water, lots of plants, holes to the outside, etc)

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Q'onzu is probably an Eternal One from the Lifelands, or one of their lieutenants considering it isn't a Loa (so probably not a "wild god" by Azeroth terminology) but decided it likes the name. Also the moon imagery on it (plus owl) is an obvious Elune nod.

There are two moons. The moon imagery on Q'onzu looks like the Embrace if you ask me. I'm of the opinion that Q'onzu might be Lo'sho - the Blue Child - or it's servant.

[pacotaco]

I don't want anything. I haven't actually played this game in years, but I have a soft spot for the art content and I've enjoyed watching them make a beautiful fucking mess out of the lore. On that note, some of you people need to take it down a notch with how you regard the lore. Almost everything in Blizzard's lore is stolen, borrowed, and bastardized. It's never been high quality. It's just entertaining. Appreciate it for the ridiculous and sometimes accidentally deep and poignant mess that it is.

What I think is coming is that "Eclipse" leak from July. Delving into Elune and the history of the Night Elves and Trolls makes sense for exploring topics that interest people, and they have to do it sooner rather than later. The game is twenty years old now, so it's almost now or never. Doing it with a lost civilization on a new continent makes sense, because then the history can be explored without the grossly exhausted time travel bullshit or AU Draenor method of bringing the past into the present.

Having a new continent that isn't sundered and that can be explored through many patches and expansions give them a future that can look different than just discovering more and more and more lost island chains.

Thematically, I think it makes sense considering where DF is ending. I think it's possible that the Sentinels of the New Moon are the equivalent of Blood Knights and Sunwalkers. The Night Warrior is the template for Night Elf Paladins.

And I think everyone is very much overlooking the significance of Q'onzu. It's an owl, but Aviana doesn't seem to know it well or like it or trust it. How is the wild-god of birds threatened or irritated by another bird? Q'onzu has to be something bigger and stranger than just another wild-god.

I think you're all going to Avaloren, like it or not.

My guess is that Q'onzu is a Wild God equivalent from outside the Emerald Dream (either from the Lifelands or the Dream of another planet, as one of the books in 10.2 hints that the Lifelands probably link all life in the universe).

[Jodmos]

And as far as new races:
- Gilgoblin are a good candidate, as they they are already player ready. They just need to add some more customization and racials.
- They added a female body to the Ethereals in Legion and some more customization. It could be the 1st steps to make them playable.
- Ogres, sethrak and ankoan present several problems: none have female models (sethrak and ankoan probably could use the same as male with different customizations) and they lack enough customization.

Dracthyr are the same (In dracomode at least) so could certainly go one body type for Sethrak and Ankoan although that may annoy people not being able to pick body type 1 instead of body type 2.

[Cheezits]

There's not even a single hint at bards being a new class, just some NPCs playing some instruments in some taverns. I'm not against the idea of bards (although it wouldn't be my 1st choice), but I see no indication of them being a class in the near future. Still, that doesn't mean i could be, after all Evoker popped from nowhere with 0 foreshadowing.

There is an entire questline in 10.1.5 about bards/music that at first seems not related at all to anything (like the other Bronze stuff) but has some interesting ideas about music powers in the WoW universe.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/transmo...omposer-334413

How interesting that temporal energies are so similar to music. I wonder if the bronze dragonflight has ever conducted research on the subject...

The above is pretty funny as it seems like a huge hint towards the idea that the First Ones are Time powered (remember their heavy music/song theme)

Also, this quote from the musician:

Pedgi says: So, um, hi. My name's Pedgi, and I'm a--

I don't exactly believe the idea that the gnome is foreshadowing Tinkers too, but its kind of possible if the questline was supposed to smack you over the head that Bards and Tinkers are next.

[lanerios]

I'm down for an underground expac as long as it is a "world inside the world" rather than a cave.

Exactly that. As long as it's not Undermine or whatever people still keep calling "the scrapped vanilla content" bs

[Worldshaper]

World of Warcraft: Beyond the Storm is a neat name.

Homage to Warcraft 2: Tides of Darkness, a bit.

Alliance and Horde ships, sailing across the sea, are torn to pieces by the storm. We fly over it with our Stormrider.

We manage to save some of the shipwrecked crew members and salvage a few supplies. Enough to begin a scrappy outpost.

Already, the Children of the First Flesh, the enslaved dwarves of Khaz Algar, are working hard to unearth Elun'Ahir's heart for their master, while the unyielding brood of Erinithria does what it can to protect it. It's a losing struggle, and every day the Harbinger comes closer to her goal: to resurrect her former body; XAL'ATATH, GOD OF LIFE AND DEATH, RETURNS.

We make contact with a few Khaz Algarians that have managed to rebel against their master. They need our help to free their people.

Queen Azshara is harnessing the storm for her malicious intents, while the Harbinger has ventured beyond to claim the dark heart of Elun'Ahir.

Thrall will aid us, seeking to understand this ancient sanctuary below the earth. He will be aided by the recently empowered Dragon Aspects.

Ysera, former Green Aspect and now a being of the Cycle, will come to Erinithria's aid. This is her purpose, and it always was. To rid the Emerald Dream and Ardenweald from the cluthes of the Void, once and forever. Only then may she rest.

Odyn and Tyr will also play major roles, but it remains to be seen how. Both sons of Order. One a stoic champion of the Titans, set in his ways and slow to adapt to change. The other inquisitive and eager to help the Titans' creations in whichever way he can, all in hopes to preserve the world-soul and prevent the Hour of Twilight. Uldaz will play a large role.

[Pinksocking]

Play Hearthstone. You can get Cowboy N'Zoth.

OMG

HOWDY N'ZOTH

*tips cowboy hat*

[GhostFish]

My guess is that Q'onzu is a Wild God equivalent from outside the Emerald Dream (either from the Lifelands or the Dream of another planet, as one of the books in 10.2 hints that the Lifelands probably link all life in the universe).

My completely baseless speculation is that we've maybe already met most of the Pantheon of Life. I think it's possible that the "Titans" were the combined Pantheons of Order and Life, but Elune rebeled against the union, which may have been coerced by the Order side. Aman'thul seems like a wise elder type, but his Keepers have a tendency to turn authoritarian and cynical.

[Futhark]

I'm down for an underground expac as long as it is a "world inside the world" rather than a cave.

HOLLOW EARTH!
HOLLOW EARTH!
HOLLOW EARTH!

The core/sun can be the World Soul.

[Merryck]

Eonar is a problem.

[Lahis]

HOLLOW EARTH!
HOLLOW EARTH!
HOLLOW EARTH!

The core/sun can be the World Soul.

That would be one cool skybox.

[Azalar]

That would be one cool skybox.

I've just had flashbacks from the moment people were spamming and claiming that Deepholm's skybox was actually the supposed "circle of stars", tentacles of N'zoth and other parafernalia lol

[Samin]

blizzcon is 2 weeks away and we still have 0 good leaks

Eh, the real Dragonflight leaks weren't really "good" leaks. I remember people ripping each other appart about the inconsistency of the spelling of Evoker/Invoker or something inane.

[Demonly]

Uhuh...sure...

.. she is a problem for the other.. "order" titans.

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Eh, the real Dragonflight leaks weren't really "good" leaks. I remember people ripping each other appart about the inconsistency of the spelling of Evoker/Invoker or something inane.

Interesting you say this.

Wasn't there numerous leaks for Invoker/Evoker on various leaks that all kinda sprouted up around the same time?

[Azalar]

Wasn't there numerous leaks for Invoker/Evoker on various leaks that all kinda sprouted up around the same time?

Yeah and basically nobody believed any of them until the poster art came up lmao

[Demonly]

Yeah and basically nobody believed any of them until the poster art came up lmao

Kinda makes me wonder about the SoA stuff. We've had a lot of these pop up randomly around the same time from the looks.

All of them kinda have similar themes. World revamp, etc, and no one likes to take them seriously because they just seem stupid or weird

[D4NNYB0Y]

Eh, the real Dragonflight leaks weren't really "good" leaks. I remember people ripping each other appart about the inconsistency of the spelling of Evoker/Invoker or something inane.

I thought Scaleface's leaks were great. Especially the puzzles. DF had a good leak season. Shadowlands was good too. It had Wrath of the Bolvar and the Bastion art leak.

I've been following WoW leak season since at least Cata (maybe Wrath? Can't remember Wrath's leaks now.) Too much AI BS in this one. Takes a lot of the fun out. Glad the mods have been banning some of the burner accounts.

[Azalar]

Kinda makes me wonder about the SoA stuff. We've had a lot of these pop up randomly around the same time from the looks.

All of them kinda have similar themes. World revamp, etc, and no one likes to take them seriously because they just seem stupid or weird

If I remember correctly, the first evoker leak for DF was quite vague and had lots of spelling issues, which evidently caused everyone to immediately turn it down. Either way, there's no way to tell until Blizzcon.

[flan1337]

Well the Blizzcon closing band isn't Dad rock - this does not bode well for the next wow xpack.