The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Reive]

The obvious answer is even Blizzard doesn't know a fucking thing about Mr. Jay Lore

He WILL be memoryhole'd

sorry but the janitor is too iconic

"death comes for the soul of your world"

"a cosmo divided will not survive what is to come"

i will never forget these lines

[Catastrophy349]

Why is player housing such a "deal-breaker" for people? I never really interacted with player housing in an MMORPG before, so I think it would be really fun (especially in WoW). However, I'm not going "yep, no player housing. Dead game" either.

[Selorian]

Power levels in WoW are as inconsistent as a marvel film, trying to use that as an actual metric is just folly

Look at Malfurion; lorewise he could be able to body every Horde leader and most raid bosses without breaking a sweat - in game he's nearly beaten by Sylvanas

Sylvanas is a great example; just look at how powerful WoW has portrayed her - she even was able to beat a fully powered lich king like it was nothing, whereas in the halls of reflection a greatly weakened lich king as Arthas nearly kills her

Not to disagree with your overall point, but she was explicitly empowered by the Lich King's daddy (Zovaal) in Shadowlands, including the cinematic. When she murdered Saurfang and fucked off, characters comment that she's using powers she never had before, that none of them had even seen before.

This is how WoW has us deal with gigathreats like Titans or Eternal Ones while still having Fucko the Pirate be a dungeon boss in the next expansion still be a threat. When fighting these big fuckoff guys we're empowered by some giga person or artifact or w/e

[NoTimeToDie5426]

Honestly the only bad part of WoD is the "draenor is free" which only happened because they were rushing to get Legion out and they changed the ending

I think WoD would be far more favorably remembered if it had one more raid with the Iron Horde and actually killing them; and M+ - those two elements and it would've been one of the greatest expansions to date imo

That's a solid take. Thinking back, WoD is one of the expansions I enjoyed the most gameplay-wise. If only they had enough time to deliver the full story/all intended content. sadge

[Houle]

Just a reminder, N'Zoth was first revealed in HearthStone, so for the cosmic stuff, it can't be discounted completely.

The rest are good points.

Some of Hearthstone MAY make it into the WoW lore, especially character designs, since they dont really matter that much. Theyve also adopted MU Blackhands new design from the Warcraft movie.
But the majority of Hearthstones lore ideas will not, just like a lot of the Warcraft movies lore changes are not canon in the games story.
For example, i doubt well ever see Archimonde grow to titan size and do something with Sargeras's sword - which he did in a Hearthstone card.

[Makabreska]

Why is player housing such a "deal-breaker" for people? I never really interacted with player housing in an MMORPG before, so I think it would be really fun (especially in WoW). However, I'm not going "yep, no player housing. Dead game" either.

It's yet another instance of some tiny few individuals stating "Expansion has to have X feature, else it will be a failure. Cuz I say so!". We can put it together with stuff like "LFR is ruining the game!".

[Baraden]

One Legion in all universes is the dumbest part of WoD. It means KJ and Magtheridon went and tried to do the exact same plan that had already failed, knowing that it had failed, to invade an Azeroth that was more prepared than it had been before.

Also Metzen has written plenty of other stupid shit before, the community fucking hated him when he was still at Blizzard. Heck, the way people in this thread are talking about cosmic stuff sounds exactly like people losing their shit at spaceship protoss Draenei back in 2005. Never mind how characters like Illidan and Kael'thas were ran through the mud for raid content.

Fringe elements versus mainstream opinions

You can't seriously believe people were equally annoyed at the writing of the game back in BC versus how much they are now

The One Legion in all universes thing was just a vehicle to justify old faces coming back; now than Legion is over you can bet they won't really mention that plot point again - that's why we conveniently are able to kill Archimonde and Kil'Jaden in the Nether this time

I'm not saying Metzen is perfect - but would anyone REALLY choose Danuser over him? I'd even take Green Jesus over the retcons of Shadowlands and the dullness of Dragonflight

[Woke it Up]

If he isn't bullshitting, which he probably is, maybe an insider has suggested some of the writing team are getting purged for the new expansion with the return of metzen

Honestly I hope to god this is true; just give him the reigns - WoD is the worst thing he's done and is there even a debate about the fact it still shits on anything post Legion lorewise

WoD was bad because it was a complete self insert nolstsgia trip that was completely devoid of what people actually liked about wow. People complain about the writing now, but it at least tries to be both reverent but also evolutionary of what WoW is, rather than "rule of cooling" a million other players and other devs before realizing it's all orcs.

See also the warcraft movie.

[NoTimeToDie5426]

One Legion in all universes is the dumbest part of WoD. It means KJ and Magtheridon went and tried to do the exact same plan that had already failed, knowing that it had failed, to invade an Azeroth that was more prepared than it had been before.

Also Metzen has written plenty of other stupid shit before, the community fucking hated him when he was still at Blizzard. Heck, the way people in this thread are talking about cosmic stuff sounds exactly like people losing their shit at spaceship protoss Draenei back in 2005. Never mind how characters like Illidan and Kael'thas were ran through the mud for raid content.

A vocal minority of "the community" maybe.

[PotHockets]

That's a solid take. Thinking back, WoD is one of the expansions I enjoyed the most gameplay-wise. If only they had enough time to deliver the full story/all intended content. sadge

I think it also suffered gameplay wise from the stat squish. It felt absolutely fucking awful going from seeing SoO numbers to WoD numbers and it soured a lot of it. Or maybe that's just me. I just know it heavily impacted my first impression and over the years my opinion on WoD has definitely turned around. Still the worst expansion by far just less worse much closer to being a solid experience.

[matijwow]

Does anyone know if this Shadowlands "leak" was ever admitted to be fake?

It showed up 3 months before 8.3 was even announced and 6 months before 8.3 was released. It's layout is structurally similar to the actual Shadowlands except Nyalotha is in Oribos's spot. It seems plausible that this could have been an early iteration of Shadowlands in development.

https://i.imgur.com/5S7McrG.jpg

[Catastrophy349]

I guess this does bring up an interesting point, though. To my MMO-C family: what would you consider a "dealbreaker(s)" to turn you completely off from caring/playing 11.0?

[Reive]

I guess this does bring up an interesting point, though. To my MMO-C family: what would you consider a "dealbreaker(s)" to turn you completely off from carring/playing 11.0?

another expansion with boring content like dragonflight

also, another expansion of disney-like writing. don't care if the writing is bad, but it has to be cool

[PotHockets]

I guess this does bring up an interesting point, though. To my MMO-C family: what would you consider a "dealbreaker(s)" to turn you completely off from caring/playing 11.0?

If the game goes F2P

[NoTimeToDie5426]

Fringe elements versus mainstream opinions

You can't seriously believe people were equally annoyed at the writing of the game back in BC versus how much they are now

The One Legion in all universes thing was just a vehicle to justify old faces coming back; now than Legion is over you can bet they won't really mention that plot point again - that's why we conveniently are able to kill Archimonde and Kil'Jaden in the Nether this time

I'm not saying Metzen is perfect - but would anyone REALLY choose Danuser over him? I'd even take Green Jesus over the retcons of Shadowlands and the dullness of Dragonflight

Good point. Also, who do you think would be more fun to quest with: Green Jesus, or the rainbowdreamteamofdragons? I'd take GJ any day of the week.

[Makabreska]

WoD was bad because it was a complete self insert nolstsgia trip that was completely devoid of what people actually liked about wow. People complain about the writing now, but it at least tries to be both reverent but also evolutionary of what WoW is, rather than "rule of cooling" a million other players and other devs before realizing it's all orcs.

See also the warcraft movie.

This nostalgia worked well for me. I started playing in BC, and it was really cool to see all those BC characters in different roles and configurations.

[Catastrophy349]

another expansion with boring content like dragonflight

Great answer! But seriously, what does that mean? That's a "subjective" take. Be more specific, please.

[ercarp]

Does anyone know if this Shadowlands "leak" was ever admitted to be fake?

It showed up 3 months before 8.3 was even announced and 6 months before 8.3 was released. It's layout is structurally similar to the actual Shadowlands except Nyalotha is in Oribos's spot. It seems plausible that this could have been an early iteration of Shadowlands in development.

https://i.imgur.com/5S7McrG.jpg

It's possible it was a very early concept, but if so, damn... everything except the name of the expansion was changed lol.

[matijwow]

Anduin isn't near the strength of a Titan and seriously injured an Eternal One.

Broxigar cut Sargeras with an axe made of wood.

[Woke it Up]

I guess this does bring up an interesting point, though. To my MMO-C family: what would you consider a "dealbreaker(s)" to turn you completely off from caring/playing 11.0?

I mean nothing, I was pretty let down when legion was announced with oops all demons but it turned out ok. I'd be let down if bards took up another class slot, professions weren't getting more depth, there wasn't a new attempt at an evergreen solo or alternative small group feature.

I'll pre-order immediately if there are planes.