The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Wangming]

New specs for existing classes seem more likely after Augmentation.

This is pretty hard to argue against.

[Raetary]

Do we have any theories about Innaria? She's name dropped in the Avaloren stuff as a titan keeper like Odyn, Loken, Freya, Ra, etc. so she must be a pretty big deal.

Titan keepers are titan watchers who were imbued by the Pantheon with their powers, which would mean Innaria also received some kind of powers from one of the Titans. Given that all the other Titans have already handed out their powers and left and right, would it be possible she received her powers from Sargeras before he went all bad and stuff?

No, because Sargeras was never involved in Azeroths ordering.

And Innaria is likely dead, killed by the Avaloren heretics.

[ercarp]

No, because Sargeras was never involved in Azeroths ordering.

And Innaria is likely dead, killed by the Avaloren heretics.

Ah, gotcha. I wasn't 100% sure about the chronology of events so I was genuinely curious if it was possible he could have slipped in a keeper of "his own" before going bad.

[Azalar]

No, because Sargeras was never involved in Azeroths ordering.

And Innaria is likely dead, killed by the Avaloren heretics.

Yeah but what if Innaria is but another rebel and has fallen to that strange transformation too?

[ImTheMizAwesome]

It's new specs or new races/allied races for me > new class that will be likely tied to one race again or maybe 2 races, looking at the recent style they do it.

i doubt they will ever do another class like DK available for all races.

[locketto]

I hope it will be black empire but at this point we have no rumors at all.

The only thing are the "elemental lords" they are very close to it.

[Nebron]

I like what they are doing with all the ingame books and adding Avalorne and Khaz'algar, however in my head it's still kinda cheap worldbuilding if we were to get the first references towards this in the expansion before we go there. Ideally they should build out many of the possibilities for the world, and then over the course of more expansions give us information regarding that stuff so speculation would be kinda smudged as well.
Kinda like they did with building up the blingtron war that I think we still haven't seen.
Of course I will take what I said back in case Khaz'Algar or Avalorne aren't our next destinations.

Exactly. It's just a sign of weak, one-dimensional worldbuilding. They ran out of ideas, so instead of developing the story in a long-term with new, intriguing, slowly brewing-up plotlines, they used tons of ad hoc tricks to shove some new characters by force into existing lore.
Not only that, they literally retconned the Chronicles, which meant to be the holy book for World of Warcraft and created a cosmology chart, which even they themselves are unable to implement into the game without disrupting the internal logic of the world.
Iridikron is the most recent, prime example of the poor character development. I don't even need to elaborate on that, as most of the players understand clearly what is wrong with that character in terms of storytelling.
It's interesting to me how striking is the resemblance of WoW's situatation to the failure of Game of Thrones finale, whenever the incompetent show-runners ran out of source material and went into the realms of absurdity seeking inspiration.

At this point, it doesn't even matter for how many expansions into the future they are able to plan the story out. This lore needs reshaping urgently, just like a badly planned, overgrown garden requires pruning. And I hope that Mentzen is the gardener with knowledge and experience that is necessary for that task.

[ercarp]

It's new specs or new races/allied races > new class that will be likely tied to one race again or maybe 2 races, looking at the recent style they do it.

i doubt they will ever do another class like DK available for all races.

I'm fully expecting them to get rid of the remaining race restrictions on non-hero classes, giving us Druids, Shamans, and Paladins for all races. That just sounds right to me as something they can market as a "feature" of 11.0.

[Wangming]

It's new specs or new races/allied races > new class that will be likely tied to one race again or maybe 2 races, looking at the recent style they do it.

i doubt they will ever do another class like DK available for all races.

I want allied Worgen that aren't human originally. Elf would make the most sense, but imagine a gnome that turns into a 6-foot-tall werewolf if you piss it off.

[Merryck]

I'm fully expecting them to get rid of the remaining race restrictions on non-hero classes, giving us Druids, Shamans, and Paladins for all races. That just sounds right to me as something they can market as a "feature" of 11.0.

I think paladins will happen sooner.

[Wangming]

I'm fully expecting them to get rid of the remaining race restrictions on non-hero classes, giving us Druids, Shamans, and Paladins for all races. That just sounds right to me as something they can market as a "feature" of 11.0.

I mean they managed to rationalize lightforge warlock. There is no reason to keep up with race/class restrictions. They served a purpose originally, but not anymore.

[Worldshaper]

BTW. Did Blizzard really decide to advertise New Character Customisation for Blood Elves as a patch feature, never adding more than 4 hair colours?

Wow.

[Wangming]

I think paladins will happen sooner.

We have all the races working together to save the dream right now.

[Nathanyel]

They also bring instances that had unique mogs that were then removed. Did any mog get lost by the change to ST?

Considering some bosses and the entire downstairs were removed, very likely.

There were also some class quests that got removed as well, likely had some unique rewards, too.

[Nymrohd]

What I expect is Avaloren as a new continent on the west of Kalimdor with 2-3 new support specs added to existing classes
What I hope for Avaloren is that we get 5+ zones and that the continent is set up in such a way that it can be expanded on the following expac as well to become even bigger and of a similar size to Kalimdor/EK. If I got to choose what new specs the game would get I'd choose
Gladiator as support dps for Warrior, sword and board, uses banners
Bard as support dps for Rogue
Earth-based spec as tank spec for Shaman
Physical Ranged spec as support dps for DH
And then something for mage or warlock (support dps time based or melee mage or blood warlock)

What I want is some form of World Revamp. My dream would be a proper world revamp with the zones crafted from scratch that focuses on evergreen worldbuilding questlines that focus on building racial and location lore, supported by construction projects for multiple areas. What I would be very much ok with would be mostly a visual update that respects the old zone terrain to a large extent but does reduce zone borders while merging them into mega zones; keeping the construction element but to a small extent (maybe 4-5 across the entire map instead of one per mega zone) without significant questlines in most of the world choosing 5-6 of the megazones to tell the new expac story.

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BTW. Did Blizzard really decide to advertise New Character Customisation for Blood Elves as a patch feature, never adding more than 4 hair colours?

Wow.

Yeah, that one is an embarassment of a line.

[Merryck]

We have all the races working together to save the dream right now.

They have the perfect opportunity to introduce both druids and paladins to every race right now. It's just a matter of distributing the resources to do so.

[Pyrophax]

They have the perfect opportunity to introduce both druids and paladins to every race right now. It's just a matter of distributing the resources to do so.

And shamans. Via primalists.

[Worldshaper]

BTW, the Keepers and the Titans they were empowered by:

Aman'Thul

• Odyn
• Ra

Khaz'Goroth

• Archaedas

Eonar

• Freya

Golganneth

• Hodir
• Thorim

Aggramar

• Tyr

Norgannon

• Loken
• Mimiron

I wonder if there's something we can read from this.

Aggramar was first to discover Azeroth, and his Keeper Tyr has arguably been the most hands-on in terms of protecting it.

Who created Keeper Innaria, and will that reflect what she was like?

[Sentynel]

I miss the expansions with "___ of ____" titles.

Ah yes, Wrath of the Bolvar.

[Nymrohd]

BTW, the Keepers and the Titans they were empowered by:

Aman'Thul

• Odyn
• Ra

Khaz'Goroth

• Archaedas

Eonar

• Freya

Golganneth

• Hodir
• Thorim

Aggramar

• Tyr

Norgannon

• Loken
• Mimiron

I wonder if there's something we can read from this.

Aggramar was first to discover Azeroth, and his Keeper Tyr has arguably been the most hands-on in terms of protecting it.

Who created Keeper Innaria, and will that reflect what she was like?

If Avaloren also has Elun'ahir, I'd make Innaria one of Eonar's Keepers.