The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Azalar]

If Avaloren also has Elun'ahir, I'd make Innaria one of Eonar's Keepers.

I'm 95% certain that Elun'ahir is Un'goro and whatever Aman'thul did to unearth the world tree caused the volcano to spring.

[Nymrohd]

I'm 95% certain that Elun'ahir is Un'goro and whatever Aman'thul did to unearth the world tree caused the volcano to spring.

I did say so myself when we started discussing it, mostly because it would explain why Ilgynoth is in Un'goro. But it could be in Sholazar just as well or even somewhere else like Avaloren.

[Jaggler]

If Avaloren also has Elun'ahir, I'd make Innaria one of Eonar's Keepers.

I'm totally down with Innaria being "Life-touched" by the roots of Elun'ahir and being a leader of the "life-touched" Dwarves over there.

[Azalar]

I did say so myself when we started discussing it, mostly because it would explain why Ilgynoth is in Un'goro. But it could be in Sholazar just as well or even somewhere else like Avaloren.

Sholazar would be a nice guess were it not because of the portal from Sholazar to Un'goro. It's very likely Freya is behind all this, plus this.



Freya is the boss of this AU. The Life's cooking something.

[Worldshaper]

If Avaloren also has Elun'ahir, I'd make Innaria one of Eonar's Keepers.

I found this on Wikipedia. Lol, it's too good.

"Inara" was, in Hittite myth, a goddess of the wild animals and the steppe, and daughter of the Storm-god Teshub.

When the dragon Illuyanka won a battle against the storm-god, she plotted to lure the dragon with a great feast, capture and destroy it to preserve creation.

Innaria sounds pretty similar to Elunaria. Eonar's world-soul took refuge on Elunaria, and there are storm drakes there, similar to the one Odyn possesses.
He seems pretty protective about Innaria given that he sent a bunch of expeditions to Avaloren, and he's probably the Titan most associated with storms, isn't he?

So maybe Innaria was his daughter, entrusted with the safekeeping of Avaloren. When Aman'thul ripped the tree out, Eonar sent Freya to watch over the crater. Perhaps Xal'atath somehow used the roots of the tree to spread her own influence and corrupt the Khaz Algarians, who rebelled Innaria?

Maybe Odyn erected the storms around Avaloren as a safeguard to keep people out/in, but soon he wants to return to settle things? The lord of ravens turns the key.

[Nymrohd]

I found this on Wikipedia. Lol, it's too good.

"Inara" was, in Hittite myth, a goddess of the wild animals and the steppe, and daughter of the Storm-god Teshub.

When the dragon Illuyanka won a battle against the storm-god, she plotted to lure the dragon with a great feast, capture and destroy it to preserve creation.

Innaria sounds pretty similar to Elunaria. Eonar's world-soul took refuge on Elunaria, and there are storm drakes there, similar to the one Odyn possesses.
He seems pretty protective about Innaria given that he sent a bunch of expeditions to Avaloren, and he's probably the Titan most associated with storms, isn't he?

So maybe Innaria was his daughter, entrusted with the safekeeping of Avaloren. When Aman'thul ripped the tree out, Eonar sent Freya to watch over the crater. Perhaps Xal'atath somehow used the roots of the tree to spread her own influence and corrupt the Khaz Algarians, who rebelled Innaria?

Maybe Odyn erected the storms around Avaloren as a safeguard to keep people out/in, but soon he wants to return to settle things? The lord of ravens turns the key.

There are several goddesses whose name is similar to Innaria. The Hitite Inara, the Akkadian Inanna, the Japanese Inari. There may well be others.

[Makorus]

Blizzard has never added two new classes back to back.

TBC: -
WotLK: New class.
Cata: -
MoP: New class.
WoD: -
Legion: New class.
BfA: -
SL: -
DF: New class.

Then again, until SL they had consistently added one every other expansion and suddenly decided not to, so who knows. If that can happen, maybe two classes in a row can also happen.

Looking at patterns that don't exist.

Blizzard didn't do a lot of things - until they did.

The same thing was said about Augmentation: "Oh, Blizzard has never added a spec mid expansion!"

[Catastrophy349]

So, I just got caught up reading everyone’s posts from overnight. My takeaways:

1). Many of you are regurgitating things from content creators, videos posted within the last 24 hours (Bellular, Accolonn, and Pyromancer). How do I know? Because I watched the same videos you did.

2). A lot of you don’t “like” the idea of Avaloren (if it’s next…11.0) due to the fact that it would feel “too soon” considering the world-building began during pre-patch of DF (which is a fair assessment).

3. It’s interesting reading through some of your “expectations” vs. “wants/hope.” Some really good ideas.

So, my question is this: Considering the fact that BlizzCon will happen PRIOR to 10.2 launching (and by that measure, PRIOR to the rest of DF (whatever that may be)), “if” Avaloren is announced as the new continent for 11.0, would you be willing to get behind it “if” proper world-building takes place between 10.2——->11.0 pre-patch to set it up?

[Worldshaper]

So, I just got caught up reading everyone’s posts from overnight. My takeaways:

1). Many of you are regurgitating things from content creators, videos posted within the last 24 hours (Bellular, Accolonn, and Pyromancer). How do I know? Because I watched the same videos you did.

2). A lot of you don’t “like” the idea of Avaloren (if it’s next…11.0) due to the fact that it would feel “too soon” considering the world-building began during pre-patch of DF (which is a fair assessment).

3. It’s interesting reading through some of your “expectations” vs. “Wants/hope.” Some really good ideas.

So, my question is this: Considering the fact that BlizzCon will happen PRIOR to 10.2 launching (and by that measure, PRIOR to the rest of DF (whatever that may be)), “if” Avaloren is announced as the new continent for 11.0, would you be willing to get behind it “if” proper world-building takes place between 10.2——->11.0 pre-patch to set it up?

Small correction: we all regurgitate each other. Content creators scour the internet for ideas, including this thread, and make content about it by presenting these ideas as their own. We watch the videos, and adjust our pre-existing ideas with this in mind.

The real input into the whole discussion usually comes from small, random threads on various forums, like Reddit and elsewhere, where somebody had an original thought at some point, and one of us picked it up to build on it.

[Nymrohd]

So, my question is this: Considering the fact that BlizzCon will happen PRIOR to 10.2 launching (and by that measure, PRIOR to the rest of DF (whatever that may be)), “if” Avaloren is announced as the new continent for 11.0, would you be willing to get behind it “if” proper world-building takes place between 10.2——->11.0 pre-patch to set it up?

They need to do a good job selling it with the expansion cinematic and the feature trailer.
As for selling it, anything short of a revamp is not going to get my excited. I just don't do that for WoW and for Blizzard anymore. They'll need to give me actual reasons to be excited, not promises. I still remember Karabor and Torghast.

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The real input into the whole discussion usually comes from small, random threads on various forums, like Reddit and elsewhere, where somebody had an original thought at some point, and one of us picked it up to build on it.

I will say, I don't read Reddit and don't really watch any creators or the other leak threads. Everything I come up with is mine, thanks.

[Raetary]

It's about time Freya appears.

She's had her hands in pretty much all major life related locations on Azeroth, including 2 Aritfacts. (3 if you count G'hanir)
I can see Blizzard explaining away her absence since wrath as her tending to Elun'ahirs roots.

Archaedas built the Heart Chamber beneath everyone elses nose, she's likely to have her own secret facility too.

Perhaps Xal'atath somehow used the roots of the tree to spread her own influence and corrupt the Khaz Algarians, who rebelled Innaria?

The Avaloren rebels happened when Odyn was still prime designate.
The earthen report mentions our own dwarves, so post Curse of Flesh and speaks curiously of Algarians.
And they named their nation after Khaz.

It makes no sense for them to be the heretics Odyn was talking about.

[Nebron]

So, I just got caught up reading everyone’s posts from overnight. My takeaways:

1). Many of you are regurgitating things from content creators, videos posted within the last 24 hours (Bellular, Accolonn, and Pyromancer). How do I know? Because I watched the same videos you did.

2). A lot of you don’t “like” the idea of Avaloren (if it’s next…11.0) due to the fact that it would feel “too soon” considering the world-building began during pre-patch of DF (which is a fair assessment).

3. It’s interesting reading through some of your “expectations” vs. “wants/hope.” Some really good ideas.

So, my question is this: Considering the fact that BlizzCon will happen PRIOR to 10.2 launching (and by that measure, PRIOR to the rest of DF (whatever that may be)), “if” Avaloren is announced as the new continent for 11.0, would you be willing to get behind it “if” proper world-building takes place between 10.2——->11.0 pre-patch to set it up?

Sure, it's not the problem of Avaloren pre se. The issue of poor worldbuilding is much broader and it will take tons of work to get it on the right tracks. As long as Avaloren can tell a compelling story, it's canonicity is a secondary concern.

[Nymrohd]

It's about time Freya appears.

She's had her hands in pretty much all major life related locations on Azeroth, including 2 Aritfacts. (3 if you count G'hanir)
I can see Blizzard explaining away her absence since wrath as her tending to Elun'ahirs roots.

Archaedas built the Heart Chamber beneath everyone elses nose, she's likely to have her own secret facility too.

I love Legion but I feel that by focusing on the Broken Isles, it failed to show a proper response by the different people on the planet to the level of threat. Imo the Warrior class campaign should have been a universal campaign we all got with the Keepers joining us against the legion (and with the Warriors getting a class hall and campaign that actually dealt with the warrior class fantasy; maybe an Army like the Might of Kalimdor taking over Thal'dranath in the campaign and establishing our foothold there). We should have had Freya join us (and maybe help the Druids)

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The Avaloren rebels happened when Odyn was still prime designate.
The earthen report mentions our own dwarves, so post Curse of Flesh and speaks curiously of Algarians.
And they named their nation after Khaz.

It makes no sense for them to be the heretics Odyn was talking about.

Generally Khaz Algar and Avaloren being in the same place doesn't make much sense.

[Makorus]

I love Legion but I feel that by focusing on the Broken Isles, it failed to show a proper response by the different people on the planet to the level of threat. Imo the Warrior class campaign should have been a universal campaign we all got with the Keepers joining us against the legion (and with the Warriors getting a class hall and campaign that actually dealt with the warrior class fantasy; maybe an Army like the Might of Kalimdor taking over Thal'dranath in the campaign and establishing our foothold there).

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Generally Khaz Algar and Avaloren being in the same place doesn't make much sense.

Honestly, the pre-Legion Invasion were some of the best worldbuilding Blizzard has ever implemented into the game.

It did a better job at displaying that the Legion was a threat than anything in the actual expansion.

[Wangming]

So, my question is this: Considering the fact that BlizzCon will happen PRIOR to 10.2 launching (and by that measure, PRIOR to the rest of DF (whatever that may be)), “if” Avaloren is announced as the new continent for 11.0, would you be willing to get behind it “if” proper world-building takes place between 10.2——->11.0 pre-patch to set it up?

They need to sell it at BlizzCon first. Sure Metzen will be there and he can sell a broken toaster easily. But I don't wanna hear:
"Why? Don't you guys have ingame lorebooks?"

[Sondrelk]

So, I just got caught up reading everyone’s posts from overnight. My takeaways:

1). Many of you are regurgitating things from content creators, videos posted within the last 24 hours (Bellular, Accolonn, and Pyromancer). How do I know? Because I watched the same videos you did.

2). A lot of you don’t “like” the idea of Avaloren (if it’s next…11.0) due to the fact that it would feel “too soon” considering the world-building began during pre-patch of DF (which is a fair assessment).

3. It’s interesting reading through some of your “expectations” vs. “wants/hope.” Some really good ideas.

So, my question is this: Considering the fact that BlizzCon will happen PRIOR to 10.2 launching (and by that measure, PRIOR to the rest of DF (whatever that may be)), “if” Avaloren is announced as the new continent for 11.0, would you be willing to get behind it “if” proper world-building takes place between 10.2——->11.0 pre-patch to set it up?

Whether I get behind Avaloren would largely come down to what the area looks and feels like.
If it's just Dragon Isles 2.0 then I doubt any more in-game buildup would change much.
If it's an archipelago, or some other naval themed expansion like what I always wanted I would accept it basically with what we have.

All that aside though, Avaloren will probably feel like a waiting room for 12.0 and the even higher likelihood of a World Revamp, which more buildup won't change.

[Makorus]

They need to sell it at BlizzCon first. Sure Metzen will be there and he can sell a broken toaster easily. But I don't wanna hear:
"Why? Don't you guys have ingame lorebooks?"

I mean, it worked with the Dragon Isles and Pandaria. It's not like they were a known quantity. We know more about Avaloren than we did about the Dragon isles before DF.

Just because the name itself was mentioned five expansions ago doesn't automatically mean it's world-building.

[Enrif]

I mean, it worked with the Dragon Isles and Pandaria. It's not like they were a known quantity. We know more about Avaloren than we did about the Dragon isles before DF.

Just because the name itself was mentioned five expansions ago doesn't automatically mean it's world-building.

Pandaria predates WoW as it was already mentioned in WC3. Dragon isles was a potential part of Vanilla. These had years and years of time to grow in widespread understanding. Avarlorn/Khaz Algar are barely 1 year old. These are vastly different time frames. Not only for world building, but also penetrating community consciousness.

[Darkarath]

So, I just got caught up reading everyone’s posts from overnight. My takeaways:

1). Many of you are regurgitating things from content creators, videos posted within the last 24 hours (Bellular, Accolonn, and Pyromancer). How do I know? Because I watched the same videos you did.

2). A lot of you don’t “like” the idea of Avaloren (if it’s next…11.0) due to the fact that it would feel “too soon” considering the world-building began during pre-patch of DF (which is a fair assessment).

3. It’s interesting reading through some of your “expectations” vs. “wants/hope.” Some really good ideas.

So, my question is this: Considering the fact that BlizzCon will happen PRIOR to 10.2 launching (and by that measure, PRIOR to the rest of DF (whatever that may be)), “if” Avaloren is announced as the new continent for 11.0, would you be willing to get behind it “if” proper world-building takes place between 10.2——->11.0 pre-patch to set it up?

Avaloren or The Other Side of Azeroth would be too soon IMO. Blizzard has just introduced these concepts. Have them immediately would take the charm out of it, although I am pretty sure that I would probably enjoy them anyway. Thing is that we do not really know if Avaloren is a full continent or just an island. It could be 10.3 zone (keep praying for a 10.3 as I do please), it could be 11.0 continent, or maybe both ¡¡ It certainly would be a twist if we visit Avaloren in 10.3 and then we get access to the full continent in 11.0.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

So, my question is this: Considering the fact that BlizzCon will happen PRIOR to 10.2 launching (and by that measure, PRIOR to the rest of DF (whatever that may be)), “if” Avaloren is announced as the new continent for 11.0, would you be willing to get behind it “if” proper world-building takes place between 10.2——->11.0 pre-patch to set it up?

If i get some new race i've been waiting for over a decade+ then i won't even need much selling of next expansion theme to me tbh.

My most wanted thing is revamp which is very unlikely as 11.0, but besides that if i get something fresh for me to play or new stuff for my favorite class and race(bunch of new customizations etc.) then the overall theme is not THAT important anymore.

But if next expansion will end up with none of that for me and then let's say avaloren happens and it will just feel like another discovered island, then they will really have to try really hard to sell it to me.