The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[PotHockets]

WoW isn't coming up on an anniversary for another year. BlizzCon 2024 would be an excellent time to sell a 20 year anniversary shirt.

The only reason BlizzCon 2023 would be a good time for it, is if they're purposefully using the 04 as part of their marketing push for a nostalgic expansion pack, whether for Classic or for retail.

Uh yeah the anniversary is next year and so is the expansion release. This IS the anniversary Blizzcon because next year isn't going to have an expansion announcement. I feel like that should just be common sense tbh.

[matijwow]

Orrrrr... (pulls out bulletin board tacked up with strings and pictures).

04 = "O four," short for "O Fortuna," the name of the famous poem/song in Carmina Burana whose lyrics start: "O Fortune, like the moon you are changeable, ever waxing, ever waning; hateful life first oppresses and then soothes playing with mental clarity; poverty and power it melts them like ice."

This clearly shows that Khaz Algar is frozen under the ice north of Northrend (past where death knights got their dragon mount in Legion) and that the activity from the firelands in 10.2 will melt the icecaps and expose it, as well as open the fissure left by Elune when she first sent a lunar rock to collide with Azeroth and establish a foothold for her to influence the planet's soul.

Of course, the second verse makes it even more obvious that it's a void expansion in which we enter the hollow inside of Azeroth from the unexplored side.

"Fate – monstrous and empty, you whirling wheel, you are malevolent, devoid of security and ever fading to nothing, shadowed and veiled you plague me too; now through the game I bring my bare back to your villainy.

[PotHockets]

Orrrrr... (pulls out bulletin board tacked up with strings and pictures).

04 = "O four," short for "O Fortuna," the name of the famous poem/song in Carmina Burana whose lyrics start: "O Fortune, like the moon you are changeable, ever waxing, ever waning; hateful life first oppresses and then soothes playing with mental clarity; poverty and power it melts them like ice."

This clearly shows that Khaz Algar is frozen under the ice north of Northrend (past where death knights got their dragon mount in Legion) and that the activity from the firelands in 10.2 will melt the icecaps and expose it, as well as open the fissure left by Elune when she first sent a lunar rock to collide with Azeroth and establish a foothold for her to influence the planet's soul.

Fuck you did it, you cracked the code. Everyone else go home we found the breadcrumbs.

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Of course, the second verse makes it even more obvious that it's a void expansion in which we enter the hollow inside of Azeroth from the unexplored side.

"Fate – monstrous and empty, you whirling wheel, you are malevolent, devoid of security and ever fading to nothing, shadowed and veiled you plague me too; now through the game I bring my bare back to your villainy.

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[Worldshaper]

Uh yeah the anniversary is next year and so is the expansion release. This IS the anniversary Blizzcon because next year isn't going to have an expansion announcement. I feel like that should just be common sense tbh.

The anniversary is next year, correct. That's when you celebrate it. That's when you release 2004 memorabilia.

The expansion announcement is this year, correct. This is when you announce games that pay homage to the anniversary, i.e. a Classic+ or a nostalgic retail expansion. Best way to market those? Pure Warcraft. Azeroth. No nonsense.

[KayRule]

WoW isn't coming up on an anniversary for another year. BlizzCon 2024 would be an excellent time to sell a 20 year anniversary shirt.

The only reason BlizzCon 2023 would be a good time for it, is if they're purposefully using the 04 as part of their marketing push for a nostalgic expansion pack, whether for Classic or for retail.

You're getting an "HD upgrade" for the old zones for the anniversary and that's it. No revamp, no "nostalgic" expansion especially after another one.

Embrace Elune's light.

[matijwow]

For 6 vs. 7, also helpful to see the Everliving Statuette and Saezurah.

Everliving Statuette in Korthia:

The seventh covets what the six hold fast. The fulcrum wavers. All will be undone.

Saezurah in Zereth Mortis:

Mortis. Lumen. Ordus. Rhythm and structure.
Vitae. Umbra. Tumult. Improvisation and possibility.
Her dreams sing beneath the surface. Quiet now, but her voice will awaken the others.
The path is revealed to you.
Six voices in discord. Without harmony, the anthem will be ended.
Harmonies merge between us.
Their song flows through me.
Can you hear their echoes?

Who knows? Maybe the 6 forces are keeping Azeroth and other First Ones contained and sleeping. Since the connection to Azeroth was what allowed us to use the First Ones' waygates when nothing else could activate them, First One magic is the 7th force and can't be defeated by any of the 6.

[Worldshaper]

You're getting an "HD upgrade" for the old zones for the anniversary and that's it. No revamp, no "nostalgic" expansion especially after another one.

Embrace Elune's light.

A HD update sounds great.

At least one of the expansions we're getting is betting hard on nostalgia, that's for sure. We even have Thrall on the BlizzCon key art.

[PotHockets]

Reality is the culmination of the 6. The 7th is a different song entirely.

Also, Elune isn't a titan. Wot?

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To add onto this theory, N'Zoth seemingly fears this power as well.

Yeah whatever it is, if we ever actually see it, it's something that has the most powerful representitives of each cosmic force shook and, if we can take those books at face value possibly had the First Ones shook.

It kinda feels like long game seeding for the final raid boss of WoW tbh. I know some people theorize the Void Lords are the final big bad whenever that goes down and it could just be referring to them for sure. However the Titans fully believe/d that Azeroth can kill the void lords whenever she wakes up so it makes me think it's referring to something else.

[KayRule]

With Metzen back in creative command hopefully all the nu-lore from since he left is being aborted. Really hope we never hear about stupid shit like the Lifelands and the Pantheons of the Seven forces ever again, KILL MYSELF

[Worldshaper]

With Metzen back in creative command hopefully all the nu-lore from since he left is being aborted. Really hope we never hear about stupid shit like the Lifelands and the Pantheons of the Seven forces ever again, KILL MYSELF

Preach.

If, if, if there's a Classic+ mode with a HD texture update (and preferably some or all of the modern systems), I would switch over to that in an instant. Eeespecially if it gives us High Elves for the Alliance.

[PotHockets]

For 6 vs. 7, also helpful to see the Everliving Statuette and Saezurah.

Everliving Statuette in Korthia:


Saezurah in Zereth Mortis:


Who knows? Maybe the 6 forces are keeping Azeroth and other First Ones contained and sleeping. Since the connection to Azeroth was what allowed us to use the First Ones' waygates when nothing else could activate them, First One magic is the 7th force and can't be defeated by any of the 6.

From Firim in Exile Part 7:

It was both six AND seven. The six were one, and the seventh the other.
Did they desire union? The song seemed to say otherwise. Both were, yet only one could be.
The melody shifted. I shuddered at the shape it took.
This was not a variable to be solved. It was a solution awaiting its opportunity.
The song must not be allowed to end.
Do the First Ones still sing it? Truly, I do not know. But if they do not...
If they do not...
Who will?

it seems to suggest that First Ones song is what's protecting the 6 from whatever the 7th is and that the 7th is something that's just standing there ominously always waiting to strike as soon as it can.

[Calfredd]

With Metzen back in creative command hopefully all the nu-lore from since he left is being aborted. Really hope we never hear about stupid shit like the Lifelands and the Pantheons of the Seven forces ever again, KILL MYSELF

You're really going all in on that wishful thinking. And this isn't even including that he probably didn't have any say in the next expansion anyway.

[PotHockets]

You're really going all in on that wishful thinking. And this isn't even including that he probably didn't have any say in the next expansion anyway.

No he definitely did, he's been back for a year and apparently is heavily involved with this one. However Metzen has clearly grown as a person and doesn't want to tell the same stories in the same way and anyone that thinks he's gonna go back to whatever imaginary golden age of lore they think exists are kidding themselves.

[KayRule]

No he definitely did, he's been back for a year and apparently is heavily involved with this one. However Metzen has clearly grown as a person and doesn't want to tell the same stories in the same way and anyone that thinks he's gonna go back to whatever imaginary golden age of lore they think exists are kidding themselves.

The lore when Metzen was in charge last was not the golden age, but anything would be better than what came after. It would be a bonus if he's grown and changed as a storyteller and we'll get lore that's better than the shit he was shitting out in Cataclysm and WoD.

[PotHockets]

The lore when Metzen was in charge last was not the golden age, but anything would be better than what came after. It would be a bonus if he's grown and changed as a storyteller and we'll get lore that's better than the shit he was shitting out in Cataclysm and WoD.

Wasn't WoD mostly Afrasiabi at that point? I dont know I enjoy the new lore. Especially the cosmic stuff, I dont wanna have it all be upfront with no mystery but there's a lot of amazing stuff in there along with some bad which is literally just how Warcraft lore has always been.

[Zers Editor]

Wasn't WoD mostly Afrasiabi at that point?

It was mostly Kosak and Metzen, with the former having more reign. Afrasiabi was involved, but not nearly as much as them.

[Wangming]

Hello sexy people of the hype thread.
I'm guessing we have no leaks, cause people are just talking about First One lore.

[Erkor]

Man, I did not expect to log on and catch a stray like this!

i aim to please

we suffer the same curse

[MCMLXXXII]

Hello sexy people of the hype thread.
I'm guessing we have no leaks, cause people are just talking about First One lore.

Which if already find boring in game, let alone discussing it what I hoped was the hype thread. Anyways.... still no believable leaks yet?
Wel except for the hockey jersey one. matijwow already nailed that one.

[PotHockets]

Hello sexy people of the hype thread.
I'm guessing we have no leaks, cause people are just talking about First One lore.

There was one person that was leaking stuff over the course of a few comments. 22mage22. It was definitely some original leaks at least.