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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    I forgot who found it first, might’ve been the birdman?
    But there’s a Wowhead article on it.

    https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-dar...breaker-334132

    However now that we did the Draenei quest, we’ve seen that none of those NPCs were there so Wowhead’s speculation on them was wrong.

    I also think the models are placeholders for the real thing which I think makes sense if they were intended for way later. (Like next xpac/prepatch/DF Epilogue)
    Thanks!

    That's quite strange tbh

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    I am ready to believe just about any leak this time around, given how adamantly against Dragonflight I was up until the last moment. Even after we had screenshots of Dracthyr. Clearly I have no feeling for these things

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    For those advocating for it; What exactly would be the point of a light vs void expansion? In other words, why are we doing it, who are we fighting, where are we fighting, and what happens when it’s over? I’m simply not seeing a purpose behind such an expansion, and I view it as a destructive escalation of the narrative. Like if we’re taking spaceships to other planets to fight void monsters, how do we go back to Azeroth and whack Gnolls, dragons, and troggs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    For those advocating for it; What exactly would be the point of a light vs void expansion? In other words, why are we doing it, who are we fighting, why are we fighting, and what happens when it’s over? I’m simply not seeing a purpose behind such an expansion, and I view it as a destructive escalation of the narrative. Like if we’re taking spaceships to other planets to fight void monsters, how do we go back to Azeroth and whack Gnolls, dragons, and troggs?
    wow 2 happens. light vs void is the end of all. the void is the final enemy of this game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    This image is super cool, but also quite emblematic of how weirdly Blizzard treats dragons in Dragonflight.
    I could probably count on one hand the number of times I've seen the Aspects using their proper dragon forms this expansion, except for when they're idling in Valdrakken.

    tbf they've been idling in valdrakken the whole expansion ahah dragonflight could have done so many cool things with them. instead we got to see emberthal and chromie talk about their feelings for most of the expansion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    For those advocating for it; What exactly would be the point of a light vs void expansion? In other words, why are we doing it, who are we fighting, where are we fighting, and what happens when it’s over? I’m simply not seeing a purpose behind such an expansion, and I view it as a destructive escalation of the narrative. Like if we’re taking spaceships to other planets to fight void monsters, how do we go back to Azeroth and whack Gnolls, dragons, and troggs?
    Been there done that with Shadowlands and even TBC.

    I have an extensive interpretation I don't want to push into anybody. Just click my signature if you're interested xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    wow 2 happens. light vs void is the end of all. the void is the final enemy of this game
    So people actually think that 11.0 is the final WoW expansion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    So people actually think that 11.0 is the final WoW expansion?
    we don't even know if the next expansion is about the void lol i just think void vs ligth is the endgame of retail wow. It's truly the point where there is nothing left to explore and no more story to left to tell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azalar View Post
    Been there done that with Shadowlands and even TBC.
    Don't most people view Shadowlands as mainly a failure that shouldn't be repeated?

    Nice concept btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    we don't even know if the next expansion is about the void lol i just think void vs ligth is the endgame of retail wow. It's truly the point where there is nothing left to explore and no more story to left to tell
    There really isnt anything that has a 'large than us' feel anymore. Everything that was 'divine' and 'unknowable' has been bought to the players level. Really places us above the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Don't most people view Shadowlands as mainly a failure that shouldn't be repeated?

    Nice concept btw.
    It depends on how the theme is interpreted, I guess. Shadowlands would prolly not have been the same if the Jailer had some more earthly plans and machinations and a more direct impact on us as players, but it was all very abstract and purposeless which led to the "cosmic" meme.

    Thanks btw :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlespoon View Post
    There really isnt anything that has a 'large than us' feel anymore. Everything that was 'divine' and 'unknowable' has been bought to the players level. Really places us above the world.
    And that (imo) was largely a mistake, because now it's forcing a power creep in terms of what big bad we're punching in the face. That is sort of exemplified in the N'Zoth fight at the end of BFA that reduced one of WoW's greatest antagonists (and essentially a god) into a quick punching bag that we snuffed out in a raid. To Dragonflight's credit, that has been reduced considerably from 8.3 and Shadowlands, but people are really pushing for us to dip into that well again, and I believe it hurts the narrative of the game.

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    Can someone link the thread where they leaked WotLK in details and ppl didn't believe a word from it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    we don't even know if the next expansion is about the void lol i just think void vs ligth is the endgame of retail wow. It's truly the point where there is nothing left to explore and no more story to left to tell
    Aside from us venturing into the other Zereths and trying to find the First Ones....and probably killing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlespoon View Post
    There really isnt anything that has a 'large than us' feel anymore. Everything that was 'divine' and 'unknowable' has been bought to the players level. Really places us above the world.
    have you heard this from asmongold? almost word for word what he said yesterday on stream lol

    on a more serious note, i agree. we're at a point where the power creep is too big. going beyond that doesn't feel believable. i think the war vs the void should be the last conflict on a large scale. blizzard should use that card when it wants to end the story of retail wow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woggmer View Post
    Aside from us venturing into the other Zereths and trying to find the First Ones....and probably killing them.
    it would be lame tbh. figthing the creators of the universe as mere mortals is dumb as fuck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azalar View Post
    It depends on how the theme is interpreted, I guess. Shadowlands would prolly not have been the same if the Jailer had some more earthly plans and machinations and a more direct impact on us as players, but it was all very abstract and purposeless which led to the "cosmic" meme.

    Thanks btw :P
    Yeah, I just believe that a medieval fantasy game should keep certain elements to a minimum or not touch on them at all. I'm starting to believe that the Draenei concept really took this game in a direction it should have never gone, because that race introduced concepts that really warped the natural limits of the genre. Ethereals and their technology and eco-domes could be another potential problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    it would be lame tbh. figthing the creators of the universe as mere mortals is dumb as fuck
    Exactly my thoughts as well. Some posters here want us to meet Elune next, and I'm wondering ytf would you want to touch on that? What's the point of meeting (or fighting) Elune? What's next? Are we going to fight the sun after we loot the moon goddess' corpse?
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    [QUOTE=Zebir95;54262402]have you heard this from asmongold? almost word for word what he said yesterday on stream lol

    on a more serious note, i agree. we're at a point where the power creep is too big. going beyond that doesn't feel believable. i think the war vs the void should be the last conflict on a large scale. blizzard should use that card when it wants to end the story of retail wow


    I dont really watch streamers but its something I feel people have been saying for a long time. Its not really new and its not really suprising he (or anyone else) might have that opinion.
    I miss the immersive world - sad that the players have become larger than life - larger than the universe almost. Cheapens the whole thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    For those advocating for it; What exactly would be the point of a light vs void expansion? In other words, why are we doing it, who are we fighting, where are we fighting, and what happens when it’s over? I’m simply not seeing a purpose behind such an expansion, and I view it as a destructive escalation of the narrative. Like if we’re taking spaceships to other planets to fight void monsters, how do we go back to Azeroth and whack Gnolls, dragons, and troggs?
    I mean we already know Iridikron made a pact with the void for power. It is safe to assume that however his story continues, the void will be involved. And since the polar opposite on the cosmology chart is holy, it is safe to asssume the enemy of shadow will be light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keelr View Post
    Can someone link the thread where they leaked WotLK in details and ppl didn't believe a word from it?
    Do you mean Reinjin's "List", released just after WotLK was announced? He later admitted he made it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Yeah, I just believe that a medieval fantasy game should keep certain elements to a minimum or not touch on them at all. I'm starting to believe that the Draenei concept really took this game in a direction it should have never gone, because that race introduced concepts that really warped the natural limits of the genre. Ethereals and their technology and eco-domes could be another potential problem.
    Draenei are very ancient and powerful people in the lore (not as much as as they're depicted ingame, though). Ethereals are mere survivors.

    However, sci-fi elements dont necessarily equal power creep. Tempest Keep, for instance, isn't really Draenei tech, but Naaru.

    We've had more power creep from non-sci-fi elements than sci-fi spacey ones.

    Shadowlands didn't make much sense in that respect because we weren't using superpowerful armaments or weapons, but abstract things like runes or previous-to-creation themed things. What I just said didn't really make much sense, and neither did in SL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    have you heard this from asmongold? almost word for word what he said yesterday on stream lol

    on a more serious note, i agree. we're at a point where the power creep is too big. going beyond that doesn't feel believable. i think the war vs the void should be the last conflict on a large scale. blizzard should use that card when it wants to end the story of retail wow


    I dont really watch streamers but its something I feel people have been saying for a long time. Its not really new and its not really suprising he (or anyone else) might have that opinion.
    I miss the immersive world - sad that the players have become larger than life - larger than the universe almost. Cheapens the whole thing.
    Well with DF, they massively reigned in the power creep. The Incarnates, aren't big in terms of power, certainly not as big as Argus, the Jailer, N'zoth etc.

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