The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Santandame]

On to something completely different though. We just got old Scarlet Monastery back, and before that we got old Scholomance.
What do people think would be a nice dungeon to get back after this? Sunken Temple would be interesting since it's so radically different from what we have, but beyond that?

What do you mean? Have we got a new dungeon?

[pacotaco]

Aside from us venturing into the other Zereths and trying to find the First Ones....and probably killing them.

My prediction is that the First Ones were probably a dying race. They tried something to survive, and resulted in the 7th Force. They didn't like it, and decided they were going to disappear anyways, but they'll create something else as legacy, that resulted in them creating the other known 6 Forces.

[Sondrelk]

What do you mean? Have we got a new dungeon?

A while back a secret was found that let players go back to the Vanilla version of Scholomance and get all the stuff there. And now a Scarlet Key can drop from the Headless Horseman that unlocks the Vanilla version of Scarlet Monastery.
It seems that the developers are intentionally adding in ways to access old removed content, or at least dungeons, and make them available inside the current version of the game.

Question is, what dungeons will be next?

[Nathanyel]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...K-Massive-leak I think it was this one, i've seen it first in SL hype thread

Ah alright, sorry for assuming you were about to bring up claims "the List" had been around before Sep '09

[Cherry123]

I really hope for the light and void expansion, it will give much more opportunities than the elementals expansion. This also means that Velen, Turalyon and Anduin will be working as a team. What will the expansion of elementals give? another Thrall whine?

[Santandame]

A while back a secret was found that let players go back to the Vanilla version of Scholomance and get all the stuff there. And now a Scarlet Key can drop from the Headless Horseman that unlocks the Vanilla version of Scarlet Monastery.
It seems that the developers are intentionally adding in ways to access old removed content, or at least dungeons, and make them available inside the current version of the game.

Question is, what dungeons will be next?

Oh wow, thanks. I never knew that. Is old Scholomance still accessible?

[pacotaco]

Part of me can't help but wonder what's Therazane's play in Iridikron's plot, because she SHOULD be involved in some way. I mean, why are the incarnates now like some sort of Elemental Lords 2.0? Why is Fyrakk portrayed as somebody who could easily topple Ragnaros -and does indeed crush Smolderon-?

Well, maybe that he's massively infused with shadowflame and he has a special axe forged by the Djaradin to subdue elementals have something to do?

[Sondrelk]

Oh wow, thanks. I never knew that. Is old Scholomance still accessible?

Sure is. You need the Krastinov toy, or someone with it to start the secret.

[Murlocos]

Oh wow, thanks. I never knew that. Is old Scholomance still accessible?

Yes, it was added in 10.1.5 along with the return of many Naxx 40 items. Going through the whole unlock process was honestly an expansion highlight for me.
https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-to-...g-items-333981

[Santandame]

Honestly never knew that, looking forward to doing this.

Thanks both @Sondrelk @Murlocos

[Teriz]

I really hope for the light and void expansion, it will give much more opportunities than the elementals expansion. This also means that Velen, Turalyon and Anduin will be working as a team. What will the expansion of elementals give? another Thrall whine?

If we're talking about an elemental expansion that deals with the underground portions of Azeroth, it gives us another layer of exploration for Azeroth itself, which in turn can build upon the expansive world of Azeroth that we know and love.

As for what it gives, if it's elemental based with a goal to restore what was lost during the cataclysm, we have the oppurtunity to heal the world from the physical damage caused by the cataclysm, which leads us into a world revamp in 12.0.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I really hope for the light and void expansion, it will give much more opportunities than the elementals expansion. This also means that Velen, Turalyon and Anduin will be working as a team. What will the expansion of elementals give? another Thrall whine?

I mean anduin was whining for almost 3 expansions in a row.

[Magistrate]

And mostly he banged them after turning them into animals. Occasionally he just peed on them.

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To be honest I don't think any architecture in WoW is properly Greek. They could always do such a theme down the line.

I think they got closest to it with the early titan stuff and some elements of early highborne ruins.

If they went with something more closely aligned, I think I'd need it thematically contrasted with something else so it wouldn't loose its specialness.

[Azalar]

Well, maybe that he's massively infused with shadowflame and he has a special axe forged by the Djaradin to subdue elementals have something to do?

Yeah but I mean, he's no elemental lord and the Incarnates have come out of the blue. Where exactly in the balance of power do Incarnates stand?

[Nightshade711]

An aspect of that fatigue was us flying around in spaceships and fighting titans.

Except spaceships have been around in WoW since BC.

Legion wasn't a cosmic xpac though. The majority of Legion takes place on the Broken Isles which are on Azeroth. The cosmic portion of Legion is Argus, which at first people went crazy over, but that craze eventually melted into fatigue and confusion.

Argus is still quite fondly remembered today, the complaint I’m seeing is the Fel fatigue & it looking mostly the same as broken shore/tannan etc.

Shadowlands had terrible writing BECAUSE it was a cosmic expansion, and its very concept was terrible to begin with.

You’re wrong, as Legion proved. Hell even BC is a “cosmic expansion” by your logic.
Hell in BC we killed Dimensius AND Murmur, both of which are described in ways that put them in leagues far above old gods.

Consider the cosmic concepts being thrown around here currently. Heck you're talking about Xal'atath gaining a void lord's powers because clearly her being as powerful as a mere Old God isn't good enough anymore.

Which isn’t any more “cosmic” than fighting Fryakk gaining void/shadowflame powers.

There’s a difference between Dimensius & the Void Lords (as in the pantheon of the void kinda thing). Warlocks can have “voidlord” pets, that doesn’t mean they’re taming the pantheon of the void.

The big Void Lords (as on pantheon of the void level) aren’t able to enter our reality yet.

Likewise we're talking about going to K'aresh which lore states that (if it's not destroyed) is a single eco dome on a planet completely overtaken by Void, and it's people were so awash with void energies that it ripped apart their physical bodies and left them essentially energy people covered in wraps. Supposedly we're supposed to go to this place and do what? Save it? Even the Ethereals aren't trying to save K'aresh because they know they can't defeat the single void lord that invaded it.

This is a lot of unfounded speculation & false statements. Like for example it wasn’t the void that transformed the Ethereals. It was arcane energy from the twisting nether. The void energies were absorbed by the ethereal’s shields. Also we killed the void lord that invaded it… so…

We don’t know anything about what K’aresh looks like now. We don’t know if it’s “a single eco-dome” or anything of the sort. All we do know for certain that there are Ethereals still operating on it, so it wasn’t COMPLETELY destroyed.

We can go to K’aresh for any reason.

[pacotaco]

Weird because I remember Argus & Antorus being well received.
At most people were tired of the Fel fatigue, mainly because WoD started that by sharing the demon/dark Fel themes. Which will happen again if we get yet another “elemental/underground expansion” right after DF.

Shadowlands wasn’t bad because it was “cosmic”, because Legion showed we can have good cosmic xpacs. It was just the terrible writing and terrible gameplay choices.



The end goal could be whatever.

Maybe the end goal to repel/kill Xal’atath/Iridikron and their invasion forces from Azeroth.

Perhaps Sargeras is freed & helps us defeat or imprison the void lords during the climax. (Like how the titans were freed and helped us imprison Sargeras)

From what I can speculate from the datamined “dungeon encounter” bosses is that the void is finding a way to breach through dimensions to invade. Perhaps we’ve got to stop entities on this side (like Xal’atath) from making a breach big enough for the void lords themselves to invade.

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Don’t think so. Why would the brawler’s guild have a bunch of thematic bosses added on a brand new (likely encrypted) map, in an instance/dungeon?

I think if we fight the Void Lords or Xalatath as their Harbinger, would probably discover that N'Zoth is in the dagger and he wants to help us defeat them, creating an uneasy alliance knowing that he'll probably betray us.

[Nightshade711]

I really hope for the light and void expansion, it will give much more opportunities than the elementals expansion. This also means that Velen, Turalyon and Anduin will be working as a team. What will the expansion of elementals give? another Thrall whine?

Same.
They’ve been building to a light vs void showdown for a long time. Even had Velen’s vision where he saw the united dragonflights & factions fighting against the void.
And we’ve got this xpac now where the factions are working together AND the dragonflights have been repowered. (And the timewalker during questing talking about “light-infused Dracthyr)

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I think if we fight the Void Lords or Xalatath as their Harbinger, would probably discover that N'Zoth is in the dagger and he wants to help us defeat them, creating an uneasy alliance knowing that he'll probably betray us.

I honestly think they’ll do something similar with Azshara.
If they wanted they could introduce playable Naga with that too & play on the Vanilla forsaken themes of it being only “an alliance of convenience”

[Well Done Steak]

Since apparently light v void is back on the menu boyz, let's not forget about this...

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Melinor

[Teriz]

Except spaceships have been around in WoW since BC.

Not on the level that we saw in Legion where the Legion also had spaceships.

You’re wrong, as Legion proved. Hell even BC is a “cosmic expansion” by your logic.
Hell in BC we killed Dimensius AND Murmur, both of which are described in ways that put them in leagues far above old gods.

We didn't kill THE Dimensius, we killed an avatar/echo of him per Xal'atath.

Which isn’t any more “cosmic” than fighting Fryakk gaining void/shadowflame powers.

Uh yes it is. Xal'atath with the power of a Void lord is world ending stuff. Again, look at Dimensisus, the REAL Dimensius, not the fragment we battled in TBC.

There’s a difference between Dimensius & the Void Lords (as in the pantheon of the void kinda thing). Warlocks can have “voidlord” pets, that doesn’t mean they’re taming the pantheon of the void.

The big Void Lords (as on pantheon of the void level) aren’t able to enter our reality yet.

Check your facts. Dimensius is a void lord, and we never encountered the real one.

This is a lot of unfounded speculation & false statements. Like for example it wasn’t the void that transformed the Ethereals. It was arcane energy from the twisting nether. The void energies were absorbed by the ethereal’s shields. Also we killed the void lord that invaded it… so…

Again, we didn't kill the void lord that destroyed K'aresh.

We don’t know anything about what K’aresh looks like now. We don’t know if it’s “a single eco-dome” or anything of the sort. All we do know for certain that there are Ethereals still operating on it, so it wasn’t COMPLETELY destroyed.

We can go to K’aresh for any reason.

If Ethereals live on K'aresh, why are so many of them living in the Twisting Nether and not their homeworld? Why is there literally a faction of Ethereals who wish to avenge the destruction of their homeworld?

[Ersula]

Shadowlands had terrible writing BECAUSE it was a cosmic expansion, and its very concept was terrible to begin with.

I would say keeping the Jailer's motives secret until his death was a bad idea but the biggest factor in its quality was covid. How the exposition, the concepts & character motivations, were delivered to the players was stifled. Not because it was cosmic; Warcraft has always been a bit more sci-fi than most fantasy settings.

TBH, cosmic stuff is better when there's mystery behind it. Cosmic stuff is far less interesting when its a monster you can punch in the face and loot its corpse when its over. Nothing snatches the immersion away like defeating a cosmic alien creature and a looting a rusty sword from it's inter-dimensional corpse.

Baldur's Gate 3's success says you're wrong. That's literally about an astral power vacuum intersecting with a civil war in hell.