The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

Since apparently light v void is back on the menu boyz, let's not forget about this...

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Melinor

At least that expansion (Yrel) makes sense.

[Woggmer]

I really hope for the light and void expansion, it will give much more opportunities than the elementals expansion. This also means that Velen, Turalyon and Anduin will be working as a team. What will the expansion of elementals give? another Thrall whine?

Cult of Ragnaros trying to kidnap Moira's kid and possibly return the old Dark Iron monarchy to being a puppet state if they manage to bring back Ragnaros somehow. And even if they don't bring him back, they'll still try to overthrow Moira and dissolve the Council of Three Hammers by turning her kid into a puppet ruler.

The possibility of Iridikron going into Therazane's domain and trying to kill her since she might be safeguarding something... or Iridikron going into Maraudon and finding the source of the corruption that turned Therazane's daughter, Princess Theradras evil and use that same power to warp Therazane.

There's also a chance that Azshara might be in league with Iridikron, but without N'zoth to keep some of her naga under control resulting in some splintering away from Azshara and having their own free will... It's only until these new reformed Naga decide to follow a new path under Neptulon's control.. the possibility of making them a playable race.

And there's also a chance that Prince Sarsarun will unleash a large civil war against Prince Thunderaan for the title of Wind Lord and going against the Conclave of Winds to claim his legitimacy and results in freak thunderstorms cropping up in areas across Azeroth.

I can think of a lot of potential in the elementals... and there's also the fact that aside from Deathwing flying over places, most of the Cata changes were the result of an elemental disturbance and unrest. And even then it wasn't always elemental stuff, they threw in nature aspect side of things... like it would be possible to have a B Plot in which the Botani found their way into the Emerald Dream and create new life in which the plants are more voracious and deadly.

[Well Done Steak]

Not on the level that we saw in Legion where the Legion also had spaceships.



We didn't kill THE Dimensius, we killed an avatar/echo of him per Xal'atath.



Uh yes it is. Xal'atath with the power of a Void lord is world ending stuff. Again, look at Dimensisus, the REAL Dimensius, not the fragment we battled in TBC.



Check your facts. Dimensius is a void lord, and we never encountered the real one.



Again, we didn't kill the void lord that destroyed K'aresh.



If Ethereals live on K'aresh, why are so many of them living in the Twisting Nether and not their homeworld? Why is there literally a faction of Ethereals who wish to avenge the destruction of their homeworld?

Actually T, there are still ethereal living on karesh, or whatever is left of it.

The world event in blade's edge that has us fight waves of ethereals ends with their boss coming straight from karesh as per his RP

[Teriz]

Actually T, there are still ethereal living on karesh, or whatever is left of it.

The world event in blade's edge that has us fight waves of ethereals ends with their boss coming straight from karesh as per his RP

And we have the Etherum seeking to avenge the destruction of K'aresh, and they've popped up multiple times since TBC.

[Ersula]

And we have the Etherum seeking to avenge the destruction of K'aresh, and they've popped up multiple times since TBC.

Yes, but the last time K'aresh was referenced at all was 2011. Turalyon & Alleria are currently in charge of the alliance & they have brain-melting cosmic beings inside them. That feels like it should be the catalyst for any potential light/void expansions, right? I doubt Metzen even remembers K'aresh.

[Wangming]

And we have the Etherum seeking to avenge the destruction of K'aresh, and they've popped up multiple times since TBC.

Yeah well Outland is so destroyed it defies our understanding of planets, yet there are still people living on it. No reason why a continent sized chunk of K'aresh can't float around with bdsm merchants living on them.

(For the record I's prefer an expansion on Azeroth for 11.0 though)

[Teriz]

Yeah well Outland is so destroyed it defies our understanding of planets, yet there are still people living on it. No reason why a continent sized chunk of K'aresh can't float around with bdsm merchants living on them.

(For the record I's prefer an expansion on Azeroth for 11.0 though)

The difference is that K'aresh is uninhabitable because Dimensius awashed it with cosmic energies that destroyed the planet's environment. That's why the Ethereals look the way they do now, because their physical bodies were ripped away by that energy. We would need light-magic based space suits to venture on K'aresh.

Yes, but the last time K'aresh was referenced at all was 2011. Turalyon & Alleria are currently in charge of the alliance & they have brain-melting cosmic beings inside them. That feels like it should be the catalyst for any potential light/void expansions, right? I doubt Metzen even remembers K'aresh.

I believe the problem is that the entire point of the Ethereals is that they're a race that lives in the twisting nether because their planet got obliterated by the void.

Maybe Blizzard intends to retcon that, but that would only make the story worse than it already is.

[Well Done Steak]

And we have the Etherum seeking to avenge the destruction of K'aresh, and they've popped up multiple times since TBC.

Right, so both.

They still living and operating on it but they still want revenge for what happened

[Teriz]

Right, so both.

They still living and operating on it but they still want revenge for what happened

Ethereals live in the twisting nether and various other places, not on K'aresh. They had to flee K'aresh because of a void lord.

If there is anyone left on K'aresh they're living inside an eco dome.

The point is this; In order to make a viable expansion based on K'aresh, you're going to have to retcon the heck out of the Ethereal backstory. And that's just plain silly, because it greatly reduces the decent backstory of that race.

[Well Done Steak]

Ethereals live in the twisting nether and various other places, not on K'aresh. They had to flee K'aresh because of a void lord.

If there is anyone left on K'aresh they're living inside an eco dome.

The point is this; In order to make a viable expansion based on K'aresh, you're going to have to retcon the heck out of the Ethereal backstory. And that's just plain silly, because it greatly reduces the decent backstory of that race.

Okay, well again, the blades edge world event shows that they're somehow operating on karesh still. Whether it's via eco domes or something else we don't know, but it highly suggests that it's another outland like situation. No retcon needed, just more of a deep dive.

[Kiivar86]

... and everyone ignored the alleged leaker who gave info to go into messenger chat with Teriz, once again.

You're really annoying

Where was this leaker? This thing moves too fast for me to keep up well at this point. I step away to do some work for an hour and this grows by a dozen pages, at least.

[Azalar]

I doubt Metzen even remembers K'aresh.

The realization that this might be true... made me utterly sad.

[Teriz]

Okay, well again, the blades edge world event shows that they're somehow operating on karesh still. Whether it's via eco domes or something else we don't know, but it highly suggests that it's another outland like situation. No retcon needed, just more of a deep dive.

The problem with such an expansion is three fold though;

1. There's no purpose behind it. If we somehow remove the void influence from the planet, it's still a dead world, and the Ethereals still won't have bodies.
2. It requires us to defeat (at least) a Void Lord which is a being so powerful that it can create old gods as easily as people can create saliva.
3. We'd be confined to an eco dome.

[Gigantique]

you know chromie in the new dungeon supposedly stops Nozdormu from going infinite in our new timeline - however what if because this causes Iridikron to gain the essence of galakrond. What if now because of these events it causes Nozdormu from going infinite even more to prevent us from messing with the timeline. Thus bringing us more infinite content.

I think the plot they're going for is more "Okay we defied the "true" timeline as ordained by the Titans and #cancelled Murozond. But at what cost since whatever fuckery Iridikron now does with Galakrond's hunger essence will be a direct result of that."

And personally I'm down for that, since we already killed Murozond in the End Time dungeon any new incarnation of him would have to end in some form of "ENOUGH! TELEPORTS AWAY" so as long as they do something interesting with this trade-off I'm all for it.

(Wouldn't surprise me if Iridikron uses the artifact to somehow majorly damage or even kill a Titan and that's what the now-not-so-perfect Titans decided was worth sacrificing Nozdormu to prevent.)

[Ersula]

The problem with such an expansion is three fold though;

1. There's no purpose behind it. If we somehow remove the void influence from the planet, it's still a dead world, and the Ethereals still won't have bodies.
2. It requires us to defeat (at least) a Void Lord which is a being so powerful that it can create old gods as easily as people can create saliva.
3. We'd be confined to an eco dome.

Telgorus Rift doesn't require an eco dome, though you're probably right & only ethereals & void elves can survive there; naturally surviving by absorbing the natural dark matter that exists there.

Maybe Blizzard intends to retcon that, but that would only make the story worse than it already is.

Way back then, the developers did seem to use the Twisting Nether synonymously with the Great Dark Beyond (Space). Draenor itself was said to exist in the Twisting Nether. There was a lot of ambiguity, so it seemed like the people of Azeroth thought of the Twisting Nether as simply the space between planets, because they couldn't conceive of space travel.

But now they elaborated (and lets be honest, before something's established in fictional canon it doesn't exist as a fact) that the portal that takes you to other planets in space, uses the "powers" of the Twisting Nether, the Nether itself is a space outside of linear time: In this way the Twisting Nether is a lot like the (Dawn of the Infinite Dungeon) Bronze timeways; a space where they can see linear time as as entire universe compressed into a single stream of energy.

So I think it's very likely K'aresh is just some colonized asteroid like the Telogrus Rift.

[Well Done Steak]

The problem with such an expansion is three fold though;

1. There's no purpose behind it. If we somehow remove the void influence from the planet, it's still a dead world, and the Ethereals still won't have bodies.
2. It requires us to defeat (at least) a Void Lord which is a being so powerful that it can create old gods as easily as people can create saliva.
3. We'd be confined to an eco dome.

You're just assuming my dude.

We don't need to remove the void influence. We walked in outland, the realms of death and in nyaloyha just fine.

Who says we'd have to fight them directly and who says we can't? We fought a god just fine. Regardless we don't know how "easy" it is for the VLs to make old.gods.

You don't know we'd be confined to eco domes. eco domes are just meant to promote the growth of flora. I mean look at nether storm, NS is probably the most similar place we have to compare karesh with and we can walk around just fine.

[fcwar]

@22mage22
Among other things, he said :

What do you mean people ignored him? His leaked were added to the 11.0 leaks spreadsheet and with one of the highest credibility scores.

[Nightshade711]

Not on the level that we saw in Legion where the Legion also had spaceships.

Probably worse. We had raids/dungeons in the space ships and an entire capital city.

We didn't kill THE Dimensius, we killed an avatar/echo of him per Xal'atath.

Uh yes it is. Xal'atath with the power of a Void lord is world ending stuff. Again, look at Dimensisus, the REAL Dimensius, not the fragment we battled in TBC.

Check your facts. Dimensius is a void lord, and we never encountered the real one.

You do know that Dimensius is just a juiced up version of the warlock pet right.
Not a TRUE “void lord” like what you’re trying to say.

If Ethereals live on K'aresh, why are so many of them living in the Twisting Nether and not their homeworld?

“If Goblins live on Kezan/Undermine, why are there so many of them living all over Azeroth?”
Same logic applies to Orcs living on Azeroth.

[Well Done Steak]

What do you mean people ignored him? His leaked were added to the 11.0 leaks spreadsheet and with one of the highest credibility scores.

Why is it so credible

[ercarp]

What do you mean people ignored him? His leaked were added to the 11.0 leaks spreadsheet and with one of the highest credibility scores.

The "credibility score" is just based on my personal hunch (as it tells you when you hover over the column) so I wouldn't take it too seriously.

I also keep going back and changing my score on it because I can't quite make up my mind on it. It's very reminiscent of the cryptic style of Scaleface's past leaks which immediately makes my brain go "ah yes, this must be the real deal", when it could just as easily be a hoaxer who's deliberately emulating Scaleface's style.

I still think it's at least above 3/5 (therefore still more plausible than most other leaks) but I've lowered it down a bit from my initial score of 4/5 as I think that was a bit premature. The vague/cryptic leaks tend to stand out as the most credible because our brains can fill in a lot the gaps and make them seem more credible than they actually are.