The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nightshade711]

All she did was resist his attempt to drain her. And that was Zovaal at his strongest. We fought Argus at his weakest and he whooped our ass.

You’re forgetting that she literally buffed us in the fight.

[Nightshade711]

Azeroth blessed us a bit during the fight. But also reminder that Zovaal was quite literally using her life force as well, so that didn't fully matter in the end.

Reminder that we're not as strong against Argus than we were against the Jailer as well.

I didn’t think the jailer was using her power himself, but instead was using it to power the first ones machinery.

Don’t recall HIM using anything Azerite related.

[huth]

You had some of the most powerful weapons in the Physical Universe, some small Vindicaar boosts, and the weakened essences of the Titans aiding players against a broken, prematurely born world soul (who was really only as strong as he was due to, funny enough, being amplified with Death magics).

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Azeroth blessed us a bit during the fight. But also reminder that Zovaal was quite literally using her life force as well, so that didn't fully matter in the end.

Reminder that we're not as strong against Argus than we were against the Jailer as well.

Reminder that you're still wrong and we were stronger against Argus than against the Jailer. The Artifacts alone were more powerful than soulbinding.

[PotHockets]

All she did was resist his attempt to drain her. And that was Zovaal at his strongest. We fought Argus at his weakest and he whooped our ass.

All Tirion did was cast a combat rez and that was Arthas at his strongest. We fought Garrosh at his weakest and he whooped our ass.

[Nymrohd]

some of the artifacts are pretty much insanely strong (they are very unequal in strength as well). Scepter of Sargeras, Ulthaless, Maw of the Damned could probably all defeat a titan.

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Depends, cause soulbinds were exceptionally powerful within the Domain of Death, and the stuff they provided was very much similar to the Artifact talent tree in Legion. Maybe the amp wasn't exactly the same, but even with that in mind, there are a lot of factors in the Jailer's defeat outside of soulbinding.

I mean the Soulbinds are just some average souls.

[Wangming]

The Void Lords are in the same tier of power as the Titans and Eternal Ones tho.

I know, but the Old Gods work better as unknowable weird monsters than weapons for void creatures that have a penis envy for Titans.
They shouldn't have had masters, or even defined goals.

[Nightshade711]

I mean some of the artifacts are pretty much insanely strong (they are very unequal in strength as well). Scepter of Sargeras, Ulthaless, Maw of the Damned could probably all defeat a titan.

It is funny how unequal the artifacts were for sure.
Like all of the monk artifacts especially the brewmaster one.

[huth]

All Tirion did was cast a combat rez and that was Arthas at his strongest. We fought Garrosh at his weakest and he whooped our ass.

Careful there, Armstrong, you might rip.

Garrosh was also at his strongest and it wasn't enough to take us without any help on our side. Arthas straight-up oneshots the raid and only looses because of a Lux ex Machina.

[Nymrohd]

It is funny how unequal the artifacts were for sure.
Like all of the monk artifacts especially the brewmaster one.

Warlocks got monster artifacts. Scepter of Sargeras can break apart a planet. Then you have things like the rogue ones.

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Careful there, Armstrong, you might rip.

Garrosh was also at his strongest and it wasn't enough to take us without any help on our side. Arthas straight-up oneshots the raid and only looses because of a Lux ex Machina.

Garrosh also fought with a lot of backup and absorbed the heart of an Old God.

[Well Done Steak]

And in Legion, we had the Artifacts, the Netherlight Crucible and the Pantheon helping us against a barely even born and drained for millenia Argus.

The Soulbinds aren't even close.

But it wasn't just soulbinds, which arent something to wave off, lore wise.

We also had frostmourne level gear and domination resistance.

[Selorian]

I know, but the Old Gods work better as unknowable weird monsters than weapons for void creatures that have a penis envy for Titans.
They shouldn't have had masters, or even defined goals.

This ship sailed back in TBC or w/e when Sargeras's motivation changed to "He wants to eradicate all life because of some greater evil" from him just losing faith in everything because of the Eredar/Nathrezim

[huth]

Depends, cause soulbinds were exceptionally powerful within the Domain of Death, and the stuff they provided was very much similar to the Artifact talent tree in Legion. Maybe the amp wasn't exactly the same, but even with that in mind, there are a lot of factors in the Jailer's defeat outside of soulbinding.

We had legendaries in Legion too. The rest are tactical and strategic advantages, not power boosts.

[huth]

But it wasn't just soulbinds, which arent something to wave off, lore wise.

We also had frostmourne level gear and domination resistance.

We had legendaries in Legion too. We did not have Frostmourne level gear in SL, only in Legion. The domination resistance doesn't even work in the fight.

[Nightshade711]

Sometimes, yeah? But the souldbinds also help you specifically cause you amplify your abilities by a ton, and you get to learn your soulbinds abilities. I'd argue it's less a thing that amps the soulbind, and more-so a thing that helps amplify the player a bit. Though idk if it is as big an amp as the Artifact stuff. Regardless, I don't see the Artifacts touching anything from the Sepulcher raid sets power-wise.

Don’t forget the legendary gear made by the Runecarver/Primus. The guy who made frostmourne & the helm of domination which was able to shatter the barrier between the realms when broken.

Then the progenitor gear & everything from ZM we got.

[Selorian]

We had legendaries in Legion too. We did not have Frostmourne level gear in SL, only in Legion. The domination resistance doesn't even work in the fight.

Legion Legendaries have no lore backing them up, as far as we know they are purely gameplay

[Wangming]

Careful there, Armstrong, you might rip.
Garrosh was also at his strongest and it wasn't enough to take us without any help on our side. Arthas straight-up oneshots the raid and only looses because of a Lux ex Machina.

To be fair considering how strong we got to at that point, Garrosh was pretty badass for even holding his own.

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This ship sailed back in TBC or w/e when Sargeras's motivation changed to "He wants to eradicate all life because of some greater evil" from him just losing faith in everything because of the Eredar/Nathrezim

Ohhh fuck don't even mention that. Sargeras and the Nathrezin are like Han Solo and Greedo. Who corrupted whom? I guess the current position is that the Nathrezim corrupted Sargeras to make sure he creates a demon army cause that would cause a lot of death and bring a lot of anima to Denathrius and the Jailer. I mean I think it does. I guess?

[huth]

Sure, but I imagine those Legendaries are probably as strong as the Legion ones, if not a bit stronger cause it comes from the Shadowlands?

Like I said, the BIG amps come from the Zereth Mortis stuff.

What amps from Zereth Mortis? You don't get anything from there.

[Berkilak]

Power scaling discussions in a setting where power is chiefly determined by mechanical needs are rarely productive.

[matijwow]

I lol'd

That's why Dracthyr are meme material. They're not even chunky and bulky enough for my edgy mind to visually recognize them as dragons and that's a big turnoff for me lol

What if their design was an attempt to add a dragon race that looked like a snake race to appease the Sethrak fanatics?

[Nymrohd]

What amps from Zereth Mortis? You don't get anything from there.

You do get Unity I suppose.

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Power scaling discussions in a setting where power is chiefly determined by mechanical needs are rarely productive.

Very much so. Power level discussions are just silly. But the cosmic brigade has to defend the power of the Janitor.