The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Chickat]

I heard that something in Zaralek implies that Tyr experimented on dragons with different kinds of magic and that Galakrond was infected with decay magic that then got amplified by Yogg-Saron, and that's why he was hungry and created undead dragons. Idk if that's true.

Kinda sucks that Tyr is probably going to be a villain. I hope we dont kill him at least. I'm fine killing Odyn, but at least 1 keeper should end up on our side imo.

[Jaggler]

Also, why would Vyranoth accept the blessing? Sure it might not be directly titan related, but she seems the type to not want any outside force messing with her race/the planet. The only way i could see it maybe making sense is if its the only way to defeat Fyrakk and she does it as a last resort.

I think it really depends on what kind of blessing it is.
The main issue Vyranoth had, was that the titan blessing altered the dragons and even worse the whelps/eggs. If the Blessing of Amirdrassil is just an empowerment i don't see, why she would be opposed to it.

[Reive]

Even worse. DF had the selling point of a new class and race and a complete rework of all classes with the new talent tree system and dragonriding.

What is his selling point?
- A new spec (we got a new class with 2 specs with DF launch and and extra one with a patch later)
- Shaman for all (we had 3 of that in DF with mages, rogues and priest)
- A new race (we got that with DF)

It feels more like a DF patch content than a full expansion.

yeah it smells of lazy. really hope the guy is wrong

[Lady Atia]

Kinda sucks that Tyr is probably going to be a villain. I hope we dont kill him at least. I'm fine killing Odyn, but at least 1 keeper should end up on our side imo.

Well, we will prolly have Freya and maybe even the ones on Avaloren on our side. Honestly, I kinda want them to make good on Shadowlands initial idea and don't chicken out again - presenting the Avalaoren keepers as the bad guys initially but switching to Odyn being the true evil one through the Expansion as we understand that the titans view is broken.

(which would have made Shadowlands so much better if the Jailer turned out to be actually the good guy, simply because Sylvanas was right in saying that the whole cycle of life and death was broken and shitty as hell)

[Chickat]

I wouldn't say that MoP was chill. There was action from the moment you arrive in Pandaria with just a few breaks in the Jade forest (before the statue blows up) and the Valley of the four winds.

But i agree that DF is unexciting, though i wouldn't use the word bland.

MoP was definitely chill compared to anything we had at that point in WoW. Pandaren constantly tell us to slow down. Life is to be savored. Id say its the most chill xpac besides DF.

[Nymrohd]

We wanted a chill expansion, not a boring one. Nothing has really happened overall. MoP was chill too and had a much better story imo. Not that DF is bad, just a little bland and unexciting.

I don't know how chill MoP was. At launch two of the reps end with a zone-wide battle scenario, one that finishes inside a dungeon and the other one tied to a raid. The taunka slaughter multiple villages in Kun Lai and then the Shado Pan retaliate with equal violence. In Krasarang we arrive at a temple to find every last monk massacred.

[Chickat]

I think it really depends on what kind of blessing it is.
The main issue Vyranoth had, was that the titan blessing altered the dragons and even worse the whelps/eggs. If the Blessing of Amirdrassil is just an empowerment i don't see, why she would be opposed to it.

We will see I suppose.

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I don't know how chill MoP was. At launch two of the reps end with a zone-wide battle scenario, one that finishes inside a dungeon and the other one tied to a raid. The taunka slaughter multiple villages in Kun Lai and then the Shado Pan retaliate with equal violence. In Krasarang we arrive at a temple to find every last monk massacred.

They literally called it a breather expansion when they announced it. Its not chill compared to My little Pony, but comparing all wow xpacs, its definitely what I would describe as chill. It heavily focused on chill features too. Like pet battles, tillers, anglers, cloud serpents etc.

[Nymrohd]

They literally called it a breather expansion when they announced it. Its not chill compared to My little Pony, but comparing all wow xpacs, its definitely what I would describe as chill. It heavily focused on chill features too. Like pet battles, tillers, anglers, cloud serpents etc.

It did have chill elements but the War part did not diminish at all.

And I don't think it has in Dragonflight, I just feel it is less impactful. Could be spectacle creep, could be that some of us cannot get as invested in the characters, probably has to do with the lack of factions.

[Jaggler]

We will see I suppose.

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They literally called it a breather expansion when they announced it. Its not chill compared to My little Pony, but comparing all wow xpacs, its definitely what I would describe as chill. It heavily focused on chill features too. Like pet battles, tillers, anglers, cloud serpents etc.

Yeah, pandaren were more "chill" than let's say the scourge, but MoP as a whole really wasn't chill, apart from the aforementioned short exceptions. You had the Horde and alliance at war from moment one, almost deswtroying a local god in the first zone. Dread Wastes was literally "Icecrown but bugs"and with the first patch the faction war was in full swing, with both sides drilling and mining the land.

[Nymrohd]

Also, why would Vyranoth accept the blessing? Sure it might not be directly titan related, but she seems the type to not want any outside force messing with her race/the planet. The only way i could see it maybe making sense is if its the only way to defeat Fyrakk and she does it as a last resort.

I'd still like to know why exactly the Order infusion is bad. I guess we will see it in the book.

[Reive]

Honestly, I just can’t wait for all the people who act like “if wow doesn’t do the expansion and features I want it’s dead and I’m quitting” to actually quit. Like, if you don’t like a game then don’t play it. Stop whining about it and move on and leave other people to enjoy it.

those who enjoy it are a small minority. most dislike the current state of the game and there is a growing chunk of people who think retail should be put to rest altogether and that blizzard should invest everything into classic.

anyway, it's normal for people to expect more from blizzard, especially after 3 bad expansions in a row with 2 of them being cut short and after having more and more microtransactions put in a game where you already have to buy the expansion+pay a monthly sub to play it. another low effort expansion like dragonflight is not what people want.

People talking about Disneycraft and wokeflight and crap like that, okay, GOOD BYE THEN. it’s not for you obviously. Their long running success can obviously survive without your weak imagination and deliberate reductions.

It's not good for majority of the playerbase since the story and the vibe of this expansion has been memed to death. dragonflight is the expansion of rainbow femboy dragons where nps feel depressed all the time and talk about their feelings all the time.

[Chickat]

If you started in Cata, then Duskwood is a "new zone".

Except you have zero context for Abercrombie. And you have zero context for Stalvan's brother investigating him, and you have zero context for Morbent Fel's switch to an actual Lich, and you have zero context for Sven Yorgen being furious at Jitters, or who either of those characters are.

So it's a "new zone" where you're stuck in the middle of a bunch of shit you don't get because it's all based on having already played through the old zone.

Thats why a revamp should be timeless and should include very vanilla basic lore building stories. IE not tied to the expansion that revamps them like Cata did.

[Ferlion]

It did have chill elements but the War part did not diminish at all.

And I don't think it has in Dragonflight, I just feel it is less impactful. Could be spectacle creep, could be that some of us cannot get as invested in the characters, probably has to do with the lack of factions.

*Sylvanas was justified and succeeded in her goals to allow everyone a choice and her punishment extends the suffering of the people in the maw* really kind of makes it hard to get invested.

I am trying. I want to like the story. But honestly, if I didn't have friends keeping me invested and excited I'd have probably dropped the game, no matter how much I genuinely enjoy most of DF.

Which is to say I think it's not limited to factions, or characters, or even setting.

I think it's hard to get invested because it's hard to empathize with a setting that bleak.

[huth]

*Sylvanas was justified and succeeded in her goals to allow everyone a choice and her punishment extends the suffering of the people in the maw* really kind of makes it hard to get invested.

I am trying. I want to like the story. But honestly, if I didn't have friends keeping me invested and excited I'd have probably dropped the game, no matter how much I genuinely enjoy most of DF.

Has she, now? The Shadowlands haven't really changed all that much in the end. Sylvanas contribution didn't really amount to much, either; about the only positive thing she did was open a way for us to get to the Shadowlands. And that wasn't even the purpose of her actions. Aside from that, she mostly made thinks actively worse for everybody except Zovaal.

[Nymrohd]

*Sylvanas was justified and succeeded in her goals to allow everyone a choice and her punishment extends the suffering of the people in the maw* really kind of makes it hard to get invested.

I am trying. I want to like the story. But honestly, if I didn't have friends keeping me invested and excited I'd have probably dropped the game, no matter how much I genuinely enjoy most of DF.

Yeah my love for the setting took several hits. It started with WoD with Karabor not being a capital and then with "Draenor is Free" getting me so angry I did not log in until next week's raid (and that's after having taken a 4 month break already in WoD). Then it got progressively worse with BfA and Shadowlands. But I think the worst actual part is that I just have NO trust in the story remaining consistent. They will twist it around however they want at a moment's notice which means there is no reason to be invested in it.

[Samin]

Also, why would Vyranoth accept the blessing? Sure it might not be directly titan related, but she seems the type to not want any outside force messing with her race/the planet. The only way i could see it maybe making sense is if its the only way to defeat Fyrakk and she does it as a last resort.

My current assumption is that it's fine because the blessing/powers come from the world itself and is not an external influence - similar to the elemental incarnate power Vyranoth at some point also received.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I think WoW should have some kind of "archiver" npc(someone else will probably have a better name), that would be voiced and also would have animated "the story so far" video or "what heppened in that expansion" and then at the end a longer summarize of stuff.

Or have a magic like building that would have a "sage" narrator attached to it with slides or paintings on wall changing based on our choice on part of the story we want to see, like some different games have when they want to explain past events.

It would be part of lvling for players to see after they say hit lvl 60 and it would be also available for max lvl players.

[Woke it Up]

I think the direction this thread is taking is good, because any employee that reads this will end up leaking something just to stop people from tearing each other apart.

Maybe if there are no credible leaks, it's time to speculate and scheme on a possible leak itself rather than the content.
My bet is someone is going to order starbucks with the new expansion name, instead of writing it on the cup the barista will write it on blizzardwatch.

[Chickat]

My current assumption is that it's fine because the blessing/powers come from the world itself and is not an external influence - similar to the elemental incarnate power Vyranoth at some point also received.

Does it? Does it not have some Elune or Death realm magic in it?

[huth]

I think WoW should have some kind of "archiver" npc(someone else will probably have a better name), that would be voiced and also would have animated "the story so far" video or "what heppened in that expansion" and then at the end a longer summarize of stuff.

Or have a magic like building that would have a narrator attached to it with slides changing based on our choice on part of the story we want to see, like some different games have when they want to explain past events.

It would be part of lvling for players to see after they say hit lvl 60 and it would be also available for max lvl players.

Maybe call him "Lorewalker Cho" and have him be on Pandaria?