The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Marlamin]

That is interesting. Wonder why Wowhead thought the map wasn’t added in the database, then.

It hasn't, but it does have difficulty references which they missed.

[Cheezits]

No, that MapID (1963) is also (very) old, being made somewhere during BfA development so either it's someone messing around with something old, something that has been in the works for a long time or some reuse of an old MapID. The map (dungeon really) has 4 difficulties, Normal (available from level 10-60), Heroic/Mythic (level 50) and M+ at level 70. Notable is that the M+ content tuning ID is shared with DF dungeons from Uldaman through Halls of Infusion, so this might be something that potentially comes out during DF still if it isn't some abandoned dev experiment that made its way into the files, which happens, no way to tell if it's really 'something'.

Oh, sounds like Vakthros honestly. What other dungeon could appear in 10.2.5? Khadgar needs a purpose after all.

While it still sounds more like Brawlers Guild, I could see a Titan/Coldarra/Nexus themed dungeon having a Light, Void and Devourer themed boss. Especially if Blizz wants to remind players of the Devourers being a threat after SL.

[flan1337]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...71557227896834

That's pretty much it.

whoa that is an old post. Is that live right now in game? So odd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEspeHoJLLM video of it without the purple rip Hayven Games

[Marlamin]

Oh, sounds like Vakthros honestly. What other dungeon could appear in 10.2.5? Khadgar needs a purpose after all.

While it still sounds more like Brawlers Guild, I could see a Titan/Coldarra themed dungeon having a Light, Void and Devourer themed boss.

I mean, that would mean Vakthros would've been developed before they even started work on Shadowlands. MapID reuse is possible, but something they've very rarely done (let alone for anything important like a dungeon). Unless that is the case (unlikely), it can't be Vakthros.

[Woggmer]

Looking at the leak Sheet we have this https://imgur.com/a/zusZOIQ the "Secrets of Azeroth" leak.
Credits to Ercarp
I remember that there was another one called "Shadows of Azeroth", but i could not find the link.

As much as I'm on team revamp and want one badly... I don't trust this.
Mythic+ for old dungeons is a dead give-away for it being fake. Blizz has stated that they can't do Mythic+ on old dungeons because they play so differently than what modern dungeons do nowadays. Not unless they fully revamped some of them or create entirely new dungeons based within the old dungeons...

[Cheezits]

I mean, that would mean Vakthros would've been developed before they even started work on Shadowlands. MapID reuse is possible, but something they've very rarely done (let alone for anything important like a dungeon). Unless that is the case (unlikely), it can't be Vakthros.

If it's that old then it sounds like Brawlers Guild and they are taking their sweet sweet time on it because it's going to be permanent (per dev interviews).

So is SOA legit? Honestly its 50/50 Shadow and Secret then. Shadow is more likely as it has been referenced as a filename this year.

[Nightshade711]

If it's that old then it sounds like Brawlers Guild and they are taking their sweet sweet time on it because it's going to be permanent (per dev interviews).

So is SOA legit? Honestly its 50/50 Shadow and Secret then.

Brawler’s guild wouldn’t be a dungeon, nor would it have the different difficulties like the dungeons.

[Cheezits]

Brawler’s guild wouldn’t be a dungeon, nor would it have the different difficulties like the dungeons.

Really? Says who?

[Bossmonkey]

If they're revamping old world, they'd be updating all the dungeons too.

[Nightshade711]

Really? Says who?

There being 0 brawlers guild bosses or NPCs in the “DungeonEncounter” database.
It being on a map that hasn’t been added.
Etc.

If it’s a dungeon, then at that points it’s not “brawler’s guild”.

Mind you the NPCs “Light Knight”, “Dimension Breaker”, and “The Devourer” were added (or updated) in 10.1.7

[Marlamin]

If it's that old then it sounds like Brawlers Guild and they are taking their sweet sweet time on it because it's going to be permanent (per dev interviews).

So is SOA legit? Honestly its 50/50 Shadow and Secret then. Shadow is more likely as it has been referenced as a filename this year.

No clue, if the D4 expansion leak (which we know happened) does indeed contain those files, if the 'leak' wasn't made based on/inspired by those files (it was posted ~2 weeks after the expansion was pushed to CDN) AND the author didn't come up with SoA for shits and giggles, which is a lot of ifs, then maybe the expansion can indeed be abbreviated to SoA, but I wouldn't automatically award a ton of credence to all leaks that have that.

[PotHockets]

Brawler’s guild wouldn’t be a dungeon, nor would it have the different difficulties like the dungeons.

Depends on what they're doing with it. They could be turning it into something akin to the Mage Tower but not tied to any specific expansion. So something you queue into. That would ruin the entire point of it and what made it fun but it is a possibility.

[Demonly]

As much as I'm on team revamp and want one badly... I don't trust this.
Mythic+ for old dungeons is a dead give-away for it being fake. Blizz has stated that they can't do Mythic+ on old dungeons because they play so differently than what modern dungeons do nowadays. Not unless they fully revamped some of them or create entirely new dungeons based within the old dungeons...

I would agree with you on this if it were not for one thing:

They are already revamping old dungeons. I.e. Vortex Pinn & Now upcoming throne of tides.

[flan1337]

If we get an EK update they better make it HUGE. I want the world to feel big again.

[Reive]

I would agree with you on this if it were not for one thing:

They are already revamping old dungeons. I.e. Vortex Pinn & Now upcoming throne of tides.

adding m+ to every old dungeon it's a lot of fucking work. every dungeon needs to be modified and every bossfight needs to be reworked to fit the m+ standards.

[Izalla]

Okay now THIS is some juicy stuff. Shadow of Azeroth back in June? Though it's possible the "leaker" saw that tweet and referenced it and the revamp idea it implies... but still very interesting!

[Demonly]

adding m+ to every old dungeon it's a lot of fucking work. every dungeon needs to be modified and every bossfight needs to be reworked to fit the m+ standards.

I mean the leak says "Coming", I think this was pointed out some time ago too. Could be something they are working on throughout the entire expansion.

[Nightshade711]

Depends on what they're doing with it. They could be turning it into something akin to the Mage Tower but not tied to any specific expansion. So something you queue into. That would ruin the entire point of it and what made it fun but it is a possibility.

God I do really hope not.
I agree it would ruin the fun & the entire point of the brawlers guild.

[Baraden]

As much as I'm on team revamp and want one badly... I don't trust this.
Mythic+ for old dungeons is a dead give-away for it being fake. Blizz has stated that they can't do Mythic+ on old dungeons because they play so differently than what modern dungeons do nowadays. Not unless they fully revamped some of them or create entirely new dungeons based within the old dungeons...

There's no reason old dungeons can't be updated to be able to support M+

A lot of them are already done anyways

[Reive]

I mean the leak says "Coming", I think this was pointed out some time ago too. Could be something they are working on throughout the entire expansion.

maybe but that's probably a project that spans across different expansions.