The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Azalar]

That is also very true. Free will oposes order.

Also a reminder that the Light has its own "one true path" and the Void has its "infinite truths" mantras.

[Wangming]

and the Void has its "infinite truths" mantras.

Which sounds cool on paper but when servants of the void all go mad and start murdering people it sounds less like democracy and more a crazy cult.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Which sounds cool on paper but when servants of the void all go mad and start murdering people it sounds less like democracy and more a crazy cult.

Not to mention that the light will seemingly give power to any one as long as they believe and impose no penalty on them unlike the void making it’s users all crazy.

[Nymrohd]

Which sounds cool on paper but when servants of the void all go mad and start murdering people it sounds less like democracy and more a crazy cult.

I am pretty sure that the intent is that all the six Forces are potentially very bad.

[KurtMash]

My wishful thinking for the day: the race of Khaz Algar evolved via Life like how the Giants of Draenor evolved into flesh via the abundant Life on the planet.
And the Algarian's are similar to halflings as a result, as opposed to elemental dwarf-like people (just wishful thinking).

Think about it: we've got a lore book saying that a crater was left after Aman'thul ripped out Elun'ahir, and Eonar didn't tell him about the remaining roots. She deceived him and told Freya to keep an eye on the crater. These are roots of a cutting taken directly from G'Hanir, the Mother Tree of the Dream - not trees of Reality blessed by the Aspects. This things is practically an embodiment of Life itself.
We also have a book from the new Uldaman saying that a force of Earthen dispatched to inspect a fissure have evolved similarly to Dwarves but with different physiology (I read this as fleshified but look different to dwarves, thus the halflings route I'm hoping for). This could be the crater that Freya was watching over. If the rest of the Titans/Keepers aren't aware of it due to Eonar deceiving them/getting Freya to safeguard it.

/latenightramblings

We know that the heretics of Avaloren proved, for whatever reason, too strong for Odyn's forces. And what force was hinted in Time Rifts, at being able to crush the Keepers and push them into hiding? Life. Apparently, if the Void corruption was completely eradicated from Azeroth, the planet would be overrun with Life. Back then we didn't have an explanation why that would be the case, but now we know about Elun'ahir. It's fair to assume that the cause behind this wild spread of Life is Elun'Ahir. And this leads to two possibilities:

* First option, with Old Gods being fully eradicated, the Titans left Azeroth early, and Aman'Thul did not pluck Elun'Ahir from the ground before that. Left alone, it caused the spread of Life.
* Second option, Aman'Thul DID pluck Elun'Ahir from the ground, but the roots stayed in the ground. The roots, given time, caused the spread of Life. So, why didn't it happen in our timeline? Perhaps the roots were somehow hijacked by the Old Gods?

With the last raid being Life-themed, could the next expac be Life themed as well? Or Life/Void, just like that one unnamed Old God with vines for tentacles from the drawings found on margins of Chronicles?

[Azalar]

Which sounds cool on paper but when servants of the void all go mad and start murdering people it sounds less like democracy and more a crazy cult.

Welp, it's a common trope that conceiving multiple realities at once often drives mortals mad.

[Wangming]

We know that the heretics of Avaloren proved, for whatever reason, too strong for Odyn's forces. And what force was hinted in Time Rifts, at being able to crush the Keepers and push them into hiding? Life. Apparently, if the Void corruption was completely eradicated from Azeroth, the planet would be overrun with Life.

Honkai Star Rail has a pretty good take on this where immortality lead to untold suffering when the same ammount of resources had to be divided by an ever growing crowd of undying people. Beware what you wish for on steroids.

[Zers Editor]

I am pretty sure that the intent is that all the six Forces are potentially very bad.

More like they have potential to be bad when not kept in check. This idea has been present since Legion.

[Dismayxz]

Not to mention that the light will seemingly give power to any one as long as they believe and impose no penalty on them unlike the void making it’s users all crazy.

I mean we have at least two examples where "as long as you believe, they are willing to give you the power" basically just paraphrases into "You accept us, my way or the highway, or .. maybe you just die." - Xe'ra absolutely tried to force the light on Illidan and Yrel's lightbound in AU Draenor definitely gave everyone and their mother the option to join them, but that doesn't exactly counteract the fact that for everyone not joining up willingly, it was basically a holy crusade approaching, that will either force them or kill them.

[Wangming]

Yrel's lightbound in AU Draenor definitely gave everyone and their mother the option to join them, but that doesn't exactly counteract the fact that for everyone not joining up willingly, it was basically a holy crusade approaching, that will either force them or kill them.

Considering what the orcs did the last time they were given a choice, I hardly think this is surprising.

[Myrrh]

We know that the heretics of Avaloren proved, for whatever reason, too strong for Odyn's forces. And what force was hinted in Time Rifts, at being able to crush the Keepers and push them into hiding? Life. Apparently, if the Void corruption was completely eradicated from Azeroth, the planet would be overrun with Life. Back then we didn't have an explanation why that would be the case, but now we know about Elun'ahir. It's fair to assume that the cause behind this wild spread of Life is Elun'Ahir.

Getting some cosmic weapon triangle vibes here, and I think I could get on board with the implications. For example, the forces could naturally balance each other out through their respective strengths/weaknesses against the others. Except for where something goes awry, like Life growing uncontained on primordial draenor, or just everything about Azeroth.

[Dismayxz]

Considering what the orcs did the last time they were given a choice, I hardly think this is surprising.

True, but this also apparently happened in a Context where they've been living peacefully side by side for a long time, until Yrel went all "Haha KEKW, Light broskis."

[Wangming]

True, but this also apparently happened in a Context where they've been living peacefully side by side for a long time, until Yrel went all "Haha KEKW, Light broskis."

And it is especially that living peacefully side by side part that made no sense. I mean the whole sugarry ending for WoD is probably its most mocked aspect.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I mean we have at least two examples where "as long as you believe, they are willing to give you the power" basically just paraphrases into "You accept us, my way or the highway, or .. maybe you just die." - Xe'ra absolutely tried to force the light on Illidan and Yrel's lightbound in AU Draenor definitely gave everyone and their mother the option to join them, but that doesn't exactly counteract the fact that for everyone not joining up willingly, it was basically a holy crusade approaching, that will either force them or kill them.

We really only have the fact that Xe'ra (and Au Xe'ra) is a bit of a dick for a downside of the light and even then we know that not all Narru operate the same way as her or even have the same goals as some were against her plan to use Illidan and instead wanted him dead for his crimes.

We then have what, the sliver hand, scarlet crusade, blood knights, goats both zealous and not, and who knows how many other cultures using it in less obvious ways like the sun walkers and the light asking nothing in return and doing nothing bad to any of them.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

And it is especially that living peacefully side by side part that made no sense. I mean the whole sugarry ending for WoD is probably its most mocked aspect.

I mean, the story in WoD would end up on peace terms no matter how they choose it to end or if WoD would be properly developed, the war had to end.

If Grommash would be the final boss like it was planned, after killing him you would have durotan that would choose peace with Yrel, because they fought side by side.

Yrel went craazy with light after years of peace and decided to go with her crusade.

[PotHockets]

And it is especially that living peacefully side by side part that made no sense. I mean the whole sugarry ending for WoD is probably its most mocked aspect.

It makes sense that they would live in peace after what they went through in WoD. It doesn't make sense that Grom is both totally hunky dory instantly and also the ass pull bs of saying Grom mister "We will never be slaves but will we be conquerors" is the good guy in the situation versus Yrel the one who actually gave a shit about the people around her and didnt want to just casually genocide anyone.

[Northelim]

I hope you are right tbh. I want Algar to be a small continent on its own or just a zone in a revamp xpac. We can do Avaloren in 12.0

The Algarian Stormrider honestly really gave it all away imo.

[PotHockets]

The Algarian Stormrider honestly really gave it all away imo.

It really is the worst leak we've ever gotten. It gives nothing to go off of for speculation while also making it painfully obvious that Khaz Algar is involved somehow so it limits any possible creativity in that speculation.

[AngerFork]

I still think multiple support specs at once is more likely, with them opening up a 4th role to better balance these new support specs.

Sorry, hadn't seen that portion of the discussion. I perhaps should read through past posts more, but with 1760 pages I tend to forget such things.

On that note, I agree that we'll get multiple support specs if any are added. There's no good reason to only have one in game for more than a short time. I could see a good 5-6 being added for various classes.

I'm not so sure that I agree on the 4th role, if for no other reason than how it could create a bit of a bottleneck for LFG/LFR. There's already a bit of a wait for DPS players to get a healer or tank, not sure adding another role on top of that will do great things. Plus what do you do with the grouping layout for dungeons? Do you stick with 5 mans and have 1 tank, 1 healer, 1 support, and 2 DPS?

[Futhark]

Nope. Not all races are descended from Titanforged. Trolls and Tauren explicitly aren't.

Cool, I've never read this. Where was this explicitly stated?