The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[huth]

Which sounds cool on paper but when servants of the void all go mad and start murdering people it sounds less like democracy and more a crazy cult.

Void isn't democracy. Void is "everything goes". It's actually the opposite of cult, as everybody is purely out for themself with no regard for others beyond how they can be useful to you. Light is the hyper-dogmatic cult faction.

Order actually doesn't have that much issue with free will. That'd be Light. Order just expects you to fill out the proper forms in triplicate.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Cool, I've never read this. Where was this explicitly stated?

Both are mentioned in the first chronicles book with the trolls popping up after the well of eternity was made and the cows popping up and the Mogu thinking they would be good slaves and mutating them.

[Dismayxz]

Sorry, hadn't seen that portion of the discussion. I perhaps should read through past posts more, but with 1760 pages I tend to forget such things.

On that note, I agree that we'll get multiple support specs if any are added. There's no good reason to only have one in game for more than a short time. I could see a good 5-6 being added for various classes.

I'm not so sure that I agree on the 4th role, if for no other reason than how it could create a bit of a bottleneck for LFG/LFR. There's already a bit of a wait for DPS players to get a healer or tank, not sure adding another role on top of that will do great things. Plus what do you do with the grouping layout for dungeons? Do you stick with 5 mans and have 1 tank, 1 healer, 1 support, and 2 DPS?

Over time, of course, right? I really do not want to see them trying to impromptu balance 5-6 new Support Specs in one go, it's just gonna be Aug but worse.

[Northelim]

It really is the worst leak we've ever gotten. It gives nothing to go off of for speculation while also making it painfully obvious that Khaz Algar is involved somehow so it limits any possible creativity in that speculation.

Yes and no. The Uldaman Legacy of Tyr does have official info about it and it will be heavily involving the titan stuff and the earthen so that gives people something to talk about.

[huth]

Cool, I've never read this. Where was this explicitly stated?

Ugh, that was years ago. AFAIR, Trolls were never really explained where they came from, just that they popped up independently of Titan works. Tauren are descended from some wild god or other, possibly even Niuzao. Furbolg and Pandaren are the same IIRC.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Order actually doesn't have that much issue with free will. That'd be Light. Order just expects you to fill out the proper forms in triplicate.

Light is absolute more pro free will then order is.

Like Algalon glassed countless planets for not fitting the titans plans while the light was a mean to some orcs and illidan.

[Raetary]

Ugh, that was years ago. AFAIR, Trolls were never really explained where they came from, just that they popped up independently of Titan works. Tauren are descended from some wild god or other, possibly even Niuzao. Furbolg and Pandaren are the same IIRC.

Tauren were a Yaungol tribe that wandered north and got changed by the WoE.

Pandaren origins are unknown, we just know they eventually settled around the Vale.

[Wangming]

Pandaren origins are unknown, we just know they eventually settled around the Vale.

They were the original inhabitants of the planet back when it was called Pandazeroth. They created the elemental forces to make soup.

[Izalla]

Really wish I didn't need to scroll through 200 pages of bickering and back and forth about wishlist "leaks", AI and calling others out, only to realising there was nothing of substance, relevance or discovery, so much so that time gets wasted. not cool guys...

Yeah I made that mistake with 50 pages last week. You gotta just jump ahead a few pages at a time and skim a couple posts at the top of each to see if anything good is actually being discussed, because if something really happened worth talking about it would last multiple pages and you would be able to find it easily.

[huth]

Light is absolute more pro free will then order is.

Like Algalon glassed countless planets for not fitting the titans plans while the light was a mean to some orcs and illidan.

The Light is pro free will as long as you do what it wants. Otherwise, you're clearly a heretic that needs to be purged.
Algalon glassed planets for not fitting the Titan's designs, not for people complaining about them or wanting something else. He was very much willing to hold off on it when we showed that we were serious about and capable of taking a different path. You don't exactly see the Titans themself complaining about it, either. And the threshold before this was even triggered was pretty significant as well. It's not like Algalon showed up the instant somebody stepped on the wrong side of the tiling.

[Wangming]

Yeah I made that mistake with 50 pages last week. You gotta just jump ahead a few pages at a time and skim a couple posts at the top of each to see if anything good is actually being discussed, because if something really happened worth talking about it would last multiple pages and you would be able to find it easily.

Yeah this is actually a pretty good tactic. A real looking leak would definitely linger in the discussion.

[AngerFork]

Over time, of course, right? I really do not want to see them trying to impromptu balance 5-6 new Support Specs in one go, it's just gonna be Aug but worse.

I go back and forth on that. I feel like getting them out of the way to start and rebalancing before the first raid may work better than rebalancing and continuously adding in new specs throughout the expansion. Though I do agree that too much all at once could lead to chaos to start with some being over/underbalanced to hell and back.

[PotHockets]

Yes and no. The Uldaman Legacy of Tyr does have official info about it and it will be heavily involving the titan stuff and the earthen so that gives people something to talk about.

I mean that's worse. If we didn't have that we could at least be like "what's Algar? Is it another planet? Another continent? Maybe a new race? Maybe it's a new boss?" Etc. But now we know it's just Khaz Algar.

[huth]

Tauren were a Yaungol tribe that wandered north and got changed by the WoE.

Pandaren origins are unknown, we just know they eventually settled around the Vale.

Which does not at all conflict with what i said. The Yaungol in turn are believed to have descended from some unknown bull wild god, which means the Tauren also descended from it, being descendants of the Yaungol.

Pandaren might be a furbolg offshoot for all we know.

[Wangming]

I go back and forth on that. I feel like getting them out of the way to start and rebalancing before the first raid may work better than rebalancing and continuously adding in new specs throughout the expansion. Though I do agree that too much all at once could lead to chaos to start with some being over/underbalanced to hell and back.

I think at least 2 or 3 support specs are needed at one point otherwise people would feel compelled to just roll "that one class" and people attached to their owm main might riot.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The Light is pro free will as long as you do what it wants. Otherwise, you're clearly a heretic that needs to be purged.

No the light gives zero mandates beyond “have faith”.

You want to kill every one because they are corrupted by undeath, ok with the light.

You want to run your kingdom in a just and fair manor, ok with the light.

You want to eat grass on the plains while remembering to get in your praying, ok with the light.

You want to run away from demons or fight Demons for ten thousand years, promoted by the light.

And of every different way we have seen the light go along with what ever it has only ever been Xera who has had the “convert or die” idea, that’s something she’s all for not the light it self.

Algalon glassed planets for not fitting the Titan's designs, not for people complaining about them or wanting something else. He was very much willing to hold off on it when we showed that we were serious about and capable of taking a different path. You don't exactly see the Titans themself complaining about it, either. And the threshold before this was even triggered was pretty significant as well. It's not like Algalon showed up the instant somebody stepped on the wrong side of the tiling.

Algalon glasses planets for expressing free will that’s what not following the titans designs mean.

He also wasn’t a reactive agent who only showed up when things went to hell he was actively going from Titan touched planet to Titan touched planet and destroying any that has will beyond what the titans wanted and even says him self that he didn’t see what the people on the planet wanted or if they clung to life as hard as we did.

[Northelim]

I mean that's worse. If we didn't have that we could at least be like "what's Algar? Is it another planet? Another continent? Maybe a new race? Maybe it's a new boss?" Etc. But now we know it's just Khaz Algar.

Too be honest, I prefer to have some actual meaningful information to talk about than "speculate" about random fake leaks that don't make any sense or written by 12 year olds.

[Sondrelk]

Which does not at all conflict with what i said. The Yaungol in turn are believed to have descended from some unknown bull wild god, which means the Tauren also descended from it, being descendants of the Yaungol.

Pandaren might be a furbolg offshoot for all we know.

They are presumably also enhanced by proximity to the Vale of Eternal Blossoms, which similarly made the Murloc evolve into Jinyu.

[Dismayxz]

They were the original inhabitants of the planet back when it was called Pandazeroth. They created the elemental forces to make soup.

Honestly, wasn't there at some point some speculation or topic about them possibly being a form of evolved Furbolg? The odd one out?

Edit: Nvm looks like it was already brought up

[Ersula]

Logically, there is some proto-version of trolls, tauren and goblins that were originally stone, made by titans, and afflicted by the Curse of Flesh. We just havent' discovered them yet, or they are all gone.

As far as we know the animal races are the result of slaying Ysharrj. The Djaradin-like statues in the Emerald Dream throw this for a loop when you take this into consideration with the Djaradin concept art that gave them troll-like features & clothing: Say, perhaps something analogous to the curse of flesh or the blood of Ysharrj transformed some Djaradin into the first Trolls. For what we know there's no concrete connection between Trolls & the Titans, but they may be planting the lore seeds that all sapient races are, either directly or indirectly, the result of the Titan's actions.