The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Wangming]

Too be honest, I prefer to have some actual meaningful information to talk about than "speculate" about random fake leaks that don't make any sense or written by 12 year olds.

Khaz Algar exist isn't really enough fodder thogh. This is the first leak season where we seem to be losing steam as BlizzCon approaches instead of gaining,

[Northelim]

Khaz Algar exist isn't really enough fodder thogh. This is the first leak season where we seem to be losing steam as BlizzCon approaches instead of gaining,

I am sure something will be coming up here in the next few days, it always does when it comes to leaks.

[Wangming]

As far as we know the animal races are the result of slaying Ysharrj. The Djaradin-like statues in the Emerald Dream throw this for a loop when you take this into consideration with the Djaradin concept art that gave them troll-like features & clothing: Say, perhaps something analogous to the curse of flesh or the blood of Ysharrj transformed some Djaradin into the first Trolls. For what we know there's no concrete connection between Trolls & the Titans, but they may be planting the lore seeds that all sapient races are, either directly or indirectly, the result of the Titan's actions.

Now all we need is for WoW's version of Sephiroth to come along and be all like:

If not for Y'Shaarj our race would not have evolved. Ergo Y'Shaarj is our father. So I'll ascend to godhood and actually do what my father tried to do.

[Dismayxz]

The Light is pro free will as long as you do what it wants. Otherwise, you're clearly a heretic that needs to be purged.
Algalon glassed planets for not fitting the Titan's designs, not for people complaining about them or wanting something else. He was very much willing to hold off on it when we showed that we were serious about and capable of taking a different path. You don't exactly see the Titans themself complaining about it, either. And the threshold before this was even triggered was pretty significant as well. It's not like Algalon showed up the instant somebody stepped on the wrong side of the tiling.

Nvm the fact that Eonar herself is still IN THE PANTHEON, after planting Elun'Ahir and basically lovey doveying around with what basically constitutes as the force of "Life" in a way. Golganneth (Air/Water) and Khaz'goroth (Fire) are very much so making use of most of the elements, something they confined to their own planes when first ordering Azeroth.

Sure, the light seems to be fine with giving people it's power in turn for just.. faith. But what happens when the Light, in the grand scheme of things, calls upon you to act on said faith. Because that's the thing. Tirion didn't oppose Arthas because the light told him to do so, but most of the light users we know, on Azeroth, haven't even been in much contact with what the Cosmic Force would be vs the small fry that is simply believing in 'the Light' as a thing.

But we absolutely have more examples, I agree with you, that Order, while there are boundaries, does not punish you for straying off path so long as the goals still align and it's not overwhelmingly shifting the balance. It's kinda what I said earlier in the Thread at some point. Order is Balance. Everything we've seen of the Light on a more Cosmic level is literally just forced indoctrination and threat of genocide, unless accepting assimilation.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

im gonna start summoning some leakers with one internet pun everyday until blizzcon!

what do you call a gnome priest? a compact disc.

[Pyrophax]

Which does not at all conflict with what i said. The Yaungol in turn are believed to have descended from some unknown bull wild god, which means the Tauren also descended from it, being descendants of the Yaungol.

Pandaren might be a furbolg offshoot for all we know.

I believe that trolls are offsprings of some lizard wild god. Xibala as example.
Same as Vulpera is offsprings of that Fox loa from WoA trilogy.
Yaungol - pretty much Yak Celestial ones.
I think all not forged races are offsprings of some wild god.
Quillboars, Harpies, Yaugol, furborgs(and mutated ones from Vale - pandarens) ankoa, grells, tortolans. All native races are born from Wild Gods.
Goblins are just pigmies mutated by mimiron. But pigmies can also be some titanforged hit by Curse of flesh.

[DiscipleofCazicThule]

If they add more support classes, I could see them adding it as a fourth role as others have said. Provided they're along the lines of Augment, they could have it pool with damage and allow for only one per group. That way you don't end up with 3 supports and can still go in with 3 dps. I think it would be the best course of action if they go forward with the idea.

[Ersula]

No the light gives zero mandates beyond “have faith”.

You want to kill every one because they are corrupted by undeath, ok with the light.

You want to run your kingdom in a just and fair manor, ok with the light.

You want to eat grass on the plains while remembering to get in your praying, ok with the light.

You want to run away from demons or fight Demons for ten thousand years, promoted by the light.

The Rejection of the Gift puts that in question. On an existential level, I don't think there are any inherent values to any of the cosmic forces. The Cosmic forces are just that, forces. Fun, fantasy metaphysics. Seems like every cosmic force tries to promise people freedom (through them) from anything that would try to oppress them (the other cosmic forces)

[Ateo]

Khaz Algar exist isn't really enough fodder thogh. This is the first leak season where we seem to be losing steam as BlizzCon approaches instead of gaining,

Blizzcon tickets are selling for 1/2 of face value price.
Blizzcon tickets also still haven't sold out.
Blizzcon sqft for the con is the smallest it's been in a decade.

We have to be real. The hype for this company is dwindling immensely. Undisputed factual data.

[Wangming]

Blizzcon tickets are selling for 1/2 of face value price.
Blizzcon tickets also still haven't sold out.
Blizzcon sqft for the con is the smallest it's been in a decade.

We have to be real. The hype for this company is dwindling immensely. Undisputed factual data.

Also true. Which is a shame cause I promised my best friend we would attend the next BlizzCon with a wow expansion reveal.
As in, the next after this one.

[ro9ue]

Well we have lore examples of DHs using 2h weapons; we do not have lore examples of DHs using bows

While it's true they do like to have some fun in hearthstone outside of the canon, we also first got the Tortollan in Hearthstone and the first image of N'Zoth. So it's at least something Blizzard is floating for fun.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The Rejection of the Gift puts that in question.

It really doesn’t it just shows that Xera is a dick and we already know there are other Narru who don’t align with her.

Hell even after she is blown up it’s not like the light withdraws from the army to show it’s displeasure with its plan being upset, every one just goes on as before and the light doesn’t care at all.

[GhostFish]

True, but this also apparently happened in a Context where they've been living peacefully side by side for a long time, until Yrel went all "Haha KEKW, Light broskis."

The world started to die, and the two sides suspected and blamed each other. I think it was implied that it was actually the unchecked Botani that were draining the world of its ability to support other life.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The world started to die, and the two sides suspected and blamed each other. I think it was implied that it was actually the unchecked Botani that were draining the world of its ability to support other life.

If it was the Botani they really should have noticed given that there was 4 huge hive minds and the draining hadn’t started yet before Aggamar showed up.

[Dismayxz]

While it's true they do like to have some fun in hearthstone outside of the canon, we also first got the Tortollan in Hearthstone and the first image of N'Zoth. So it's at least something Blizzard is floating for fun.

There are some situations where I find it incredibly weird that Blizzard needs to establish something with a character example existing. A Glaive is a Weapon. Just like Azari's Scythe is a Weapon. And so is a Bow. Do they -need- a Bow, when it's clear Demon Hunters are more established with Throwing their Glaives for Range or doing other Fel shenanigans? No, apparently they don't need bows or ranged weapons. But at the end of the day they are all still weapons, tools. So a demon hunter can/could absolutely pick up a bow, if they know how to handle one and use it as their primary weapon of choice. The restrictions on this are purely and have always been purely Gameplay-based, so not everyone is competing over the same Weapons or Weapon Types, but just the most immediate choices do so.

[Paula Deen]

Now all we need is for WoW's version of Sephiroth to come along and be all like:

If not for Y'Shaarj our race would not have evolved. Ergo Y'Shaarj is our father. So I'll ascend to godhood and actually do what my father tried to do.

We already had that....who do you think Sarky Sark and the Sundered Bunch were?

[Nightshade711]

And it is especially that living peacefully side by side part that made no sense. I mean the whole sugarry ending for WoD is probably its most mocked aspect.

Yeah the Orcs & Draenei living peacefully after WoD was really strange.
The orcs just started a baseless war & genocide (as well as sacrificing Draenei souls to power the Dark Portal) with no legitimate scapegoat or reason. There was no fel blood or outside presence really controlling them… they just did it because another Orc told them to.

I suspect that could be a major factor as to WHY the lightbound decided what they’re doing. According to them, the Orcs are killing the planet.
So mix that in w/ everything during WoD and I’m amazed they’re not just outright killing the orcs but instead trying to “save” them.

[Magistrate]

There are some situations where I find it incredibly weird that Blizzard needs to establish something with a character example existing. A Glaive is a Weapon. Just like Azari's Scythe is a Weapon. And so is a Bow. Do they -need- a Bow, when it's clear Demon Hunters are more established with Throwing their Glaives for Range or doing other Fel shenanigans? No, apparently they don't need bows or ranged weapons. But at the end of the day they are all still weapons, tools. So a demon hunter can/could absolutely pick up a bow, if they know how to handle one and use it as their primary weapon of choice. The restrictions on this are purely and have always been purely Gameplay-based, so not everyone is competing over the same Weapons or Weapon Types, but just the most immediate choices do so.

I think part of it is a balancing act that isn't really about the subversion or new angle so much as making sure the immersive normative version of the fantasy "thing" is still highly represented so as to not stifle it for the broader camp of people that, fo instance, really like the idea of demon hunters with glaives attached to their old imagery.

Both is of course possible but if you spend too much time with the quirky version suddenly that becomes a complaint.

[ro9ue]

There are some situations where I find it incredibly weird that Blizzard needs to establish something with a character example existing. A Glaive is a Weapon. Just like Azari's Scythe is a Weapon. And so is a Bow. Do they -need- a Bow, when it's clear Demon Hunters are more established with Throwing their Glaives for Range or doing other Fel shenanigans? No, apparently they don't need bows or ranged weapons. But at the end of the day they are all still weapons, tools. So a demon hunter can/could absolutely pick up a bow, if they know how to handle one and use it as their primary weapon of choice. The restrictions on this are purely and have always been purely Gameplay-based, so not everyone is competing over the same Weapons or Weapon Types, but just the most immediate choices do so.

Yeah I think it's solely because of how WoW is designed that an example first gives more credence. Since WoW isn't like an Elder Scrolls game where anyone can use any weapon and that modifies your gameplay, people look for characters of a said class to see if Blizzard is considering new ideas for them.

[Ersula]

It really doesn’t it just shows that Xera is a dick and we already know there are other Narru who don’t align with her.

"The light is all about free will" and "Also the highest authority representing a cosmic force can entirely disregard its tenets" are two observations that render each other moot.