The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Paula Deen]

There are some situations where I find it incredibly weird that Blizzard needs to establish something with a character example existing. A Glaive is a Weapon. Just like Azari's Scythe is a Weapon. And so is a Bow. Do they -need- a Bow, when it's clear Demon Hunters are more established with Throwing their Glaives for Range or doing other Fel shenanigans? No, apparently they don't need bows or ranged weapons. But at the end of the day they are all still weapons, tools. So a demon hunter can/could absolutely pick up a bow, if they know how to handle one and use it as their primary weapon of choice. The restrictions on this are purely and have always been purely Gameplay-based, so not everyone is competing over the same Weapons or Weapon Types, but just the most immediate choices do so.

Honestly I think its not even gameplay. I think its so lore whiners stfu. Some of the "people" who exist and breath the same air we do actually "think" that its a bad thing that new things are made up.

[pacotaco]

Over time, of course, right? I really do not want to see them trying to impromptu balance 5-6 new Support Specs in one go, it's just gonna be Aug but worse.

I doubt they introduce that amount of support specs at once, but I see them adding at least 1 in a new class in 11.0.

Judging the amount of work they can do now that they don't have to worry about borrowed powers, they could even add 2 classes in one single expansion, but I doubt they'll even do it, they'll both need to make sense in theme of the expansion and they'll lose the opportunity to use it as selling point in another one.

But 1 class per expansion? It's not so crazy.

[Ateo]

Also true. Which is a shame cause I promised my best friend we would attend the next BlizzCon with a wow expansion reveal.
As in, the next after this one.

This is probably your last chance because I don't see blizzcon making it after this flop of a year. The over all loss they are going to take is going to be insane, for the record EVERY blizzcon has been a financial loss for Blizzard, but at least they still sold out.

This year will be the biggest financial loss in Blizzcon history since they can't even pull the numbers to sell out that means less merch sales and less profit over all off hype.

Even if they have the literal dream of blizzcons (sc3, WC4, Classic +, world revamp all at once) I doubt they will profit off preorders due to the lack of faith in the company.

I'd be willing to bet the next blizzcon will simply be a Microsoft tradeshow integration.

It's a shame truly, especially as a huge fan (this will be my 7th or 8th Blizzcon I've attended.) It's just a shadow of what it once was.


Every after party is cancelled, there's very little promo happening and hype is abysmally low. It's a lost cause imo.

[pacotaco]

Now all we need is for WoW's version of Sephiroth to come along and be all like:

If not for Y'Shaarj our race would not have evolved. Ergo Y'Shaarj is our father. So I'll ascend to godhood and actually do what my father tried to do.

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Klaxxi

[Teriz]

This is probably your last chance because I don't see blizzcon making it after this flop of a year. The over all loss they are going to take is going to be insane, for the record EVERY blizzcon has been a financial loss for Blizzard, but at least they still sold out.

This year will be the biggest financial loss in Blizzcon history since they can't even pull the numbers to sell out that means less merch sales and less profit over all off hype.

Even if they have the literal dream of blizzcons (sc3, WC4, Classic +, world revamp all at once) I doubt they will profit off preorders due to the lack of faith in the company.

I'd be willing to bet the next blizzcon will simply be a Microsoft tradeshow integration.

It's a shame truly, especially as a huge fan (this will be my 7th or 8th Blizzcon I've attended.) It's just a shadow of what it once was.


Every after party is cancelled, there's very little promo happening and hype is abysmally low. It's a lost cause imo.

TBF, those ticket prices for the event were obscene and absolutely tone deaf. Especially when you consider they haven't had an in-person event in 3 years.

[Wangming]

This is probably your last chance because I don't see blizzcon making it after this flop of a year. The over all loss they are going to take is going to be insane, for the record EVERY blizzcon has been a financial loss for Blizzard, but at least they still sold out.

Well i hope you are wrong cause I don't have the funds to fly over the atlantic and back. I need time to save up and my current saving were eaten up by my novel.

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https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Klaxxi

A fair point, I guess.

[Hitei]

Blizzcon tickets are selling for 1/2 of face value price.
Blizzcon tickets also still haven't sold out.
Blizzcon sqft for the con is the smallest it's been in a decade.

We have to be real. The hype for this company is dwindling immensely. Undisputed factual data.

Blindly attributing data to cause with little evidence isn't factual.

People no longer want to go to in-person events for news. E3 was cancelled this year because they couldn't get enough publishers and developers interested. Exilecon's numbers went down despite record-breaking stream attendance. Tennocon's attendence was back down to 2017 levels despite it also having a signficant streaming attendance. Gamescom attendence still hasn't recovered to it's 2018-19 levels.

Blizzcon is expensive and people are less willing to travel and attend these sort of events in person.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

"The light is all about free will" and "Also the highest authority representing a cosmic force can entirely disregard its tenets" are two observations that render each other moot.

The light isn’t all about free will, it’s all about faith.

The light doesn’t give a toss about your free will which is why undead can who have none can still use it like the undead scarlets or the horse man, they lacked free will hit kept there faith and that’s all that matters.

And you can use that faith to do what ever you want IE you can have free will the light doesn’t care.

[flan1337]

Blindly attributing data to cause with little evidence isn't factual.

People no longer want to go to in-person events for news. E3 was cancelled this year because they couldn't get enough publishers and developers interested. Exilecon's numbers went down despite record-breaking stream attendance. Tennocon's attendence was back down to 2017 levels despite it also having a signficant streaming attendance. Gamescom attendence still hasn't recovered to it's 2018-19 levels.

Blizzcon is expensive and people are less willing to travel and attend these sort of events in person.

I will say I dont follow the final fantasy community but seems like their fan fest is still going strong https://fanfest.finalfantasyxiv.com/

[Polybius]

Yeah the Orcs & Draenei living peacefully after WoD was really strange.
The orcs just started a baseless war & genocide (as well as sacrificing Draenei souls to power the Dark Portal) with no legitimate scapegoat or reason. There was no fel blood or outside presence really controlling them… they just did it because another Orc told them to.

I suspect that could be a major factor as to WHY the lightbound decided what they’re doing. According to them, the Orcs are killing the planet.
So mix that in w/ everything during WoD and I’m amazed they’re not just outright killing the orcs but instead trying to “save” them.

Fitting they’d be seen as savages, considering how often “savage” was thrown around during the interviews.

[Makorus]

I will say I dont follow the final fantasy community but seems like their fan fest is still going strong https://fanfest.finalfantasyxiv.com/

The fanfest are in a completely different ballpark in terms of number of attendees though.

[PotHockets]

I will say I dont follow the final fantasy community but seems like their fan fest is still going strong https://fanfest.finalfantasyxiv.com/

Fanfests aren't as big as Blizzcon in scale. This year has had some drama actually because they weren't well equipped to handle the amount of people that were there compared to previous years. It's definitely on the upswing but relative to historical Blizzcons its still tiny. Picture like SDCC versus a local ComicCon.

It would be silly to not acknowledge a decline in Blizzcon interest but it's also silly to try and compare it to one specific other con and not the tragectory of all cons. A lot of smaller local cons are just flat out cancelled for an indefinite amount of time because interest for those things post covid is not even close to the same as what it was before it. Throw in that they get more and more expensive every year while people have less disposable income and it becomes really hard to guage how much of the lesser interest in Blizzcon this year is because of Blizzard issues or greater societal issues or whatever mix of both it might be.

[Sondrelk]

Fitting they’d be seen as savages, considering how often “savage” was thrown around during the interviews.

The fact that it was the second (or third) time we got "accidentally evil" orcs also didn't help the case of them actually being noble and mostly peaceful. The fact that in BfA the Orcs were once again weirdly willing to go along with evil dictators just made it farcical to expect people to assume the Orcs were actually the good guys in their recruitment questline.

[flan1337]

Fanfests aren't as big as Blizzcon in scale. This year has had some drama actually because they weren't well equipped to handle the amount of people that were there compared to previous years. It's definitely on the upswing but relative to historical Blizzcons its still tiny. Picture like SDCC versus a local ComicCon.

Had no idea - I just know around July my timeline was filled with posts from that event. I agree though that cons in general are on a complete downturn.

[Sondrelk]

Fanfests aren't as big as Blizzcon in scale. This year has had some drama actually because they weren't well equipped to handle the amount of people that were there compared to previous years. It's definitely on the upswing but relative to historical Blizzcons its still tiny. Picture like SDCC versus a local ComicCon.

It would be silly to not acknowledge a decline in Blizzcon interest but it's also silly to try and compare it to one specific other con and not the tragectory of all cons. A lot of smaller local cons are just flat out cancelled for an indefinite amount of time because interest for those things post covid is not even close to the same as what it was before it. Throw in that they get more and more expensive every year while people have less disposable income and it becomes really hard to guage how much of the lesser interest in Blizzcon this year is because of Blizzard issues or greater societal issues or whatever mix of both it might be.

It's also likely difficult to figure out just how much money it earns, given it's basically one big marketing ploy. You have merchandise and what not alongside ticket sales, but the real money one expects would come from surges in game sales following the event, which are hard to quantify accurately.

[Polybius]

The fact that it was the second (or third) time we got "accidentally evil" orcs also didn't help the case of them actually being noble and mostly peaceful. The fact that in BfA the Orcs were once again weirdly willing to go along with evil dictators just made it farcical to expect people to assume the Orcs were actually the good guys in their recruitment questline.

Like someone said earlier, they're written with teenage angst. One moment they kill someone the next they're forgiven because they 'felt bad' and were misunderstood. They've been left to their own devices and could not be trusted, prophetic when you look at the state of the world (of Warcraft).

Part of me thinks it's juvenile writing, the other part isn't so sure if it's the writers not wanting to see their children held accountable. Sad times.

[seainma]

This is probably your last chance because I don't see blizzcon making it after this flop of a year. The over all loss they are going to take is going to be insane, for the record EVERY blizzcon has been a financial loss for Blizzard, but at least they still sold out.

This year will be the biggest financial loss in Blizzcon history since they can't even pull the numbers to sell out that means less merch sales and less profit over all off hype.

Even if they have the literal dream of blizzcons (sc3, WC4, Classic +, world revamp all at once) I doubt they will profit off preorders due to the lack of faith in the company.

I'd be willing to bet the next blizzcon will simply be a Microsoft tradeshow integration.

It's a shame truly, especially as a huge fan (this will be my 7th or 8th Blizzcon I've attended.) It's just a shadow of what it once was.


Every after party is cancelled, there's very little promo happening and hype is abysmally low. It's a lost cause imo.

I don't think everything can be contributed to Blizzard bad. My job is WFH and my company wanted to do a little get together, even with free food, drinks and games. They had to beg people to attend when previously everyone would have jumped at the chance to not work for the day and get free food and drinks.

We live in a much different world post pandemic.

[Lady Atia]

But not when there is 3 support specs in 5man party. I tanked that shit and that scaly furry people refuse to respec. And that was horrible. Either they need talents to go full dps, just for that ocation.

Or make it not 20/80 it term of self/other dps. Like 50/50 or even 60/40.

But you usually don't have that situation in any premade group and it's not like it's even mattering in anything sub M+20 lol.

Also, you know, more support specs will actually give people more classes to play their supporter on, so you won't see augmentation spammed as much anymore.

Besides that, you know, "in that situation" they have talents to go full dps, it's called devastation ...

[PotHockets]

It's also likely difficult to figure out just how much money it earns, given it's basically one big marketing ploy. You have merchandise and what not alongside ticket sales, but the real money one expects would come from surges in game sales following the event, which are hard to quantify accurately.

Yep. Much like how WoW has never been more profitable than it is right now even though subscriber numbers are like a third of what they were at peak at best. They're looking at more than pure ticket sales.

Also that's why anyone thinking the game is at any sort of risk is flat out wrong. WoW is a money printing machine and that's why they added Proletariat to the team to massively swell the size: because WoW is one of the biggest money makers in the entire ABK catalogue.

[Sondrelk]

But you usually don't have that situation in any premade group and it's not like it's even mattering in anything sub M+20 lol.

Also, you know, more support specs will actually give people more classes to play their supporter on, so you won't see augmentation spammed as much anymore.

Besides that, you know, "in that situation" they have talents to go full dps, it's called devastation ...

And lets be honest, if support specs become so commonplace that there is a real problem of support DPS outstripping "real" DPS in stuff like LFR they will just change stuff to accommodate it.

Currently Augmentation works by giving primarily stat buffs, or other kinds of exponential damage increases.
Future support specs might focus more on flat damage increases, or cooldown reductions to allow better synergy with other support specs.