The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Reive]

While very true, this isn't a work sponsored outing and isn't comparable. This was nerd mecca to many people around the world. We can't keep blaming COVID and remote work for everything when something flops.

It simply is blizzard has lost the core fanbase, if this doesn't prove it idk what will. There has never been a year where blizzcon didn't sell out... Until this year.

It isn't covid, it isn't the economy, it's blizzards actions that pushed away their fanbase. If it was truly the economy musicians wouldn't be instantly selling out arenas around the world, but yet here we are seeing blizzcon dying before our eyes.

Blizzard and in turn Blizzcon has lost the wind in its sails. Plain and simple.

People can cope. People can make excuses. But eventually people need to just see the cold hard facts.

-Overwatch is failing in real time
-Retail wow has now had not one but 3 massive flops for expansions in a row and the franchise is being carried purely by nostalgia with WoW classic and now wow hardcore.
-StarCraft is completely dead.
-Wc3 reforged was a massive flop due to development hell and blatant misleading lies from blizzard on what it was going to be(I played the demo at Blizzcon when it was announced and pre-ordered it during the announcement while I sat at main stage, we did not receive what was announced period.)
-Hearthstone is a greedy monetization hell hole that's struggling to stay afloat.
-D2 Remaster has significantly more players than Diablo 4 a game that had what 10 years of hype behind it? The true money maker for the Diablo franchise is Diablo immortal a mobile cash grab game carried by the eastern market.
-HoTS is absolutely flatlined.
-We have another bullshit mobile game cash grab leeching off the Warcraft fanbase coming out as "warcraft rumble"

This is the definition of a company failing to hit the mark and keep its core fanbase happy. Blizzcon for well over a decade was THE premier gaming con. It was more than a trade show to many, but now it's fallen really hard.

We as fans need to be vocal and hopefully Blizzard will open their eyes and fix this shit while they still can, or we can remain silent and sit here in continuously shrinking echo chambers of denial and they will eventually go the route of many other giants who no one can remember.

blizzard bros, how do we cope?

[PotHockets]

You can't insult me in the first line and expect me to read on; sorry

What a toddler tier take

[Myrrh]

It was the Titans mission to protect mortal life in the universe as written in Chronicles before Danuser destroyed the credibility of that book. They were explicitly benevolent.

This has been said a thousand times but once again; Algalon. Right back in Wrath.

It's not that they're bad, but they have an entirely different set of priorities to us mortals.

[Cheezits]

blizzard bros, how do we cope?

Microsoft bought them so they have millions and billions and dollars so nobody cares.

[Baraden]

What a toddler tier take

If you like; but jabs like that don't get you taken seriously

Something you have demonstrated twice in two posts - so well done for that

[Shadowferal]

What a toddler tier take

If someone spits in your face are you going to bother with listening to him/her?

[PotHockets]

If someone spits in your face are you going to bother with listening to him/her?

Constructive criticism is spitting in someones face? What's even funnier is I actually ended up empathizing with them which was the point.

[Ferlion]

blizzard bros, how do we cope?

Playing a really fun expansion and laughing at people who can't move on

[Shadowferal]

Constructive criticism is spitting in someones face?

It's not about what you say, it's about how others interpret your words.

[Catastrophy349]

I don't think that BFA, SL, and DF are "three flops in a row." To each their own, though.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Any idea what that Blizzcon decor is inspired by?

[Baraden]

Constructive criticism is spitting in someones face?

There's nothing constructive about only saying someone is bad at explaining THEIR argument, it's just patronising and snide

[Hitei]

Because when you have an encounter there are 3 jobs, one person has to take the damage, one person has to heal the damage, and one person has to deal the damage

Except that in a raid or dungeon everyone takes damage, everyone heals damage and everyone deals damage. So again, literally none of the roles are actually necessary.

Why do you need DPS if every tank and healer can DPS? Why do you need a healer if every spec in the game has the potential to self heal?

I don't know how you still aren't parsing this, but none of the roles is strictly necessary. They each exist to specialize in a domain of play, healing, holding aggro, or dealing damage. In older versions of the game, there were specs that were split between dealing damage and buffing your allies or making their jobs easier, in recent versions there have not been. Support fills that open slot, a role for buffing allies and debuffing enemies.

You can keep repeating this dumb slippery slope, but it's not gonna become any less of a fallacy. Healers existing hasn't stopped every spec in the game from being able to do healing. Tanks existing hasn't stopped every spec in the game from having defensives, and DPS existing hasn't stopped every heal or tank spec from being able to damage. So why the fuck would a support class magically make various utility spells go away?

[KyleEverett]

Any idea what that Blizzcon decor is inspired by?

Bronze Temple in Thaldrazsus.

[Myrrh]

blizzard bros, how do we cope?

By not making 'obsessively doomposting about some company and/or game failing for the past 19 years' a personality trait. Que sera, sera.

[huth]

If you like; but jabs like that don't get you taken seriously

Something you have demonstrated twice in two posts - so well done for that

Maybe, but making terrible arguments and then complaining that people point that out will do the same. All of the roles exist solely because Blizzard designed the game that way. They now decided to try a different design. There's nothing inherently wrong with that.

It's not about what you say, it's about how others interpret your words.

Tone matters. If somebody deliberately or ignorantly misinterprets your words, that's on them, not you.

[Baraden]

I don't think that BFA, SL, and DF are "three flops in a row." To each their own, though.

I honestly like BFA; and it's not rose tinted goggles I liked it at the time

Shadowlands was just awful

And Dragonflight is actually good gameplay wise; I just think an arguably dull expansion after the nightmare that was SL isn't doing much to bring back players

[Shadowferal]

Mfs want Blizzard to retcon SL and DF, only for Nelves to lose their new home in the process Monkeys Paw fr

Oh, you mean we get to keep our old home?
I like that.

[Ferlion]

I don't think that BFA, SL, and DF are "three flops in a row." To each their own, though.

Of the three, only Shadowlands is what I'd call a flop.

Mind, I don't mean to say BFA was great or anything story wise. I think it lost a bunch of steam in it the last patch.

But 2/3rds of the expansion? Absolute banger. Azerite had some growing pains but wasn't all that bad, dungeons were some of the best they've ever done. Waycrest? Kings Rest? So fun.

Battle of Dazar'alor? Fantastic raid.

Shadowlands was just.. bad. Blizzard decided to ignore all feedback and make everything difficult to the point of unplayability for the majority of people. A third of the expansions dungeon meta was built around tanks being unable to tank. Hardest raid and tuning to the point it killed lots of interest.

[huth]

Oh, you mean we get to keep our old home?
I like that.

Since the retcon only starts at SL, of course not. You just stay refugees 5ever.