The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

True, not many gear looks good on them cause they act like body paint on their bellies. But as you say, there are a chill, food-loving bunch of people. And that kinda works with real-life pandas as well. You can't give them the body type of a draenei for example just because that is hot.

I will say this.

I think if WoW was made today, armor wearing NPCs should have had a relatively small array of basic armor model shapes that are custom to their own models with set locations that you can affix 3D embellishments on (since such hooks could also lock with the rigging of the model and thus allow the additional 3D object to move alongside the parent object). Yes that means that the texture maps are separate for each model, yes that means far more work. It would also mean minimal or no stretching and minimal clipping.

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I mean, regardless of the list being outdated, there is no clear "Runemaster" fantasy. There's been no build up, Monk just wouldn't work at all in terms of a class spec to begin with, and they are not adding an alternative class to Monk before something like Priest.

Oh yeah, I don't think it works for monk as well. I think it would work for shaman though.

[Santandame]

Does WoW have any place with a Mediterranean-style climate? (which exists beyond the Mediterranean on Earth btw, parts of California are also considered to share this climate as does Cape Town and the southern coast of Australia) Mild winters, hot dry summer, most of the rain drops in defined periods of time instead of sporadically throughout the year?

The closest we’ve had to a Mediterranean aesthetic in WoW was parts of Aszuna which were clearly inspired by parts of Greece and Italy; considering the presence of olives and olive trees, cypress etc.

That said, the Broken Isles are obviously not Mediterranean and are a lot more Northern inspired.

I remember people used to theorise that Kul Tiras would be Venetian inspired but obviously we got more of a British inspired landmass instead.

[ercarp]

Pet battle revamp.

Jumping puzzles and open world dungeons.

I struggle to think of what sort of revamp pet battles could possibly need.

Jumping puzzles would be great content. I love doing the Leap of Faith stuff in FFXIV.

Alternative classes (visual/spell effect only); Runemaster for monks and Celestial for paladins.

This doesn't make any sense.

[Nymrohd]

I struggle to think of what sort of revamp pet battles could possibly need.

I know this will probably be controversial, but I just don't understand what the point of pet leveling is. It is a massive grind that simply serves as a barrier to entry.

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Jumping puzzles would be great content. I love doing the Leap of Faith stuff in FFXIV.

See my issue with platforming in WoW is that quite often the terrain does not match what we actually see. How often can you walk on air because there is a difference between the texture and the actual 3D object?

[ercarp]

I know this will probably be controversial, but I just don't understand what the point of pet leveling is. It is a massive grind that simply serves as a barrier to entry.

Especially considering you can cheese most pet battles with a team of level 1 pets (since they scale down to your level). In many situations, it's better to have a team of level 1s than 25s.

[Shadowferal]

The closest we’ve had to a Mediterranean aesthetic in WoW was parts of Aszuna which were clearly inspired by parts of Greece and Italy; considering the presence of olives and olive trees, cypress etc. That said, the Broken Isles are obviously not Mediterranean and are a lot more Northern inspired. I remember people used to theorise that Kul Tiras would be Venetian inspired but obviously we got more of a British inspired landmass instead.

Gadgetzan?

[ercarp]

See my issue with platforming in WoW is that quite often the terrain does not match what we actually see. How often can you walk on air because there is a difference between the texture and the actual 3D object?

For jumping puzzles, they would have to make sure the collision detection is more accurate.

[Nymrohd]

Gadgetzan?

Yes, palm trees and a desert shoreline are somehow Med climate area . . .

[Chickat]

Yeah I made that mistake with 50 pages last week. You gotta just jump ahead a few pages at a time and skim a couple posts at the top of each to see if anything good is actually being discussed, because if something really happened worth talking about it would last multiple pages and you would be able to find it easily.

Excellent technique tbh.

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I think at least 2 or 3 support specs are needed at one point otherwise people would feel compelled to just roll "that one class" and people attached to their owm main might riot.

Yeah, imo they should definitely add like 3 more support specs, plus a tank spec for shamans. That would be pretty hype. Who would be prime candidates for the support specs?

DH, cause they need a third spec.

The other two are more iffy.

Id argue Rogue with Bard, and probably Warrior for gladiator. Throwing down banners and shouting to buff allies. Ideally imo the dh spec would just be a ranged dps spec and we would get another support, but I dont see them doing 5 in one expansion. 3 is already pushing it.

If they somehow managed to do 5 new specs, the third support could be perhaps a paladin rdps/support holy hyrbid? Kinda Anduin rezzing and rallying everyone from the BFA cinematic.

[ercarp]

The fact that this year many people consider K'aresh a legit possibility makes me thrilled, though we all seem sat down on the Avaloren possibility.

K'aresh still seems more likely to me than Avaloren considering Avaloren has barely been canon for a year. It needs more set-up.

However, I also get the sense that Blizzard is afraid of doing another cosmic adventure expansion so soon after Shadowlands, especially after Dragonflight restored some of the faith people had lost in the franchise.

I remember "going back to Azeroth" being a big part of the marketing for Dragonflight. They might want to hold on to that and keep us in a more grounded setting for at least a few more expansions before risking it all with another leap into the unknown.

[Makorus]

I know this will probably be controversial, but I just don't understand what the point of pet leveling is. It is a massive grind that simply serves as a barrier to entry.

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See my issue with platforming in WoW is that quite often the terrain does not match what we actually see. How often can you walk on air because there is a difference between the texture and the actual 3D object?

I totally agree with you on the first point. Same with rarities.

As someone who kinda started dabbling into pet battling, the amount of pets I need to get first and then need to level is just incredibly off-putting. I was looking at doing the Pet Battle Dungeons. and you need like 16 pets for Wailing Caverns alone.

And god forbid you don't have the whole day free when Super Squirt Day rolls around, not to mention the fact how utterly boring it is just spamming A all day.

[Chickat]

Khaz Algar exist isn't really enough fodder thogh. This is the first leak season where we seem to be losing steam as BlizzCon approaches instead of gaining,

Someone should throw together a Golden Yak style Khaz Algar expansion thread. Not as a leak, but just to give us an idea of what we could see. Im not creative enough for that.

[Shadowferal]

Yes, palm trees and a desert shoreline are somehow Med climate area . . .

*shrug

[Chickat]

K'aresh still seems more likely to me than Avaloren considering Avaloren has barely been canon for a year. It needs more set-up.

However, I also get the sense that Blizzard is afraid of doing another cosmic adventure expansion so soon after Shadowlands, especially after Dragonflight restored some of the faith people had lost in the franchise.

I remember "going back to Azeroth" being a big part of the marketing for Dragonflight. They might want to hold on to that and keep us in a more grounded setting for at least a few more expansions before risking it all with another leap into the unknown.

Karesh as the equivalent to Draenor, and Avaloren as the equivalent to Broke Isles would be pretty cool.

Xal'atath travels there and recruits local Ethereals to invade Azeroth in promises of giving them a new planet to live on.
We go there to stop the invasion leading to Xal getting something she needed to summon the titans or corrupt the world soul etc.
12.0 is Avaloren and LvV or something.

Idk just spitballing.

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*shrug

That in Tanaris somewhere?

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If they add more support classes, I could see them adding it as a fourth role as others have said. Provided they're along the lines of Augment, they could have it pool with damage and allow for only one per group. That way you don't end up with 3 supports and can still go in with 3 dps. I think it would be the best course of action if they go forward with the idea.

It could be the case of only 1 support is allowed per 5 players in queued content. They wouldn't even need another role.

[Makorus]

*shrug

That is literally not what mediterranean climate is.

[Shadowferal]

That in Tanaris somewhere?

Yup. Near that pirate area.

[Wangming]

See my issue with platforming in WoW is that quite often the terrain does not match what we actually see. How often can you walk on air because there is a difference between the texture and the actual 3D object?

That can still be a jumping puzzle. I remember crossing the Greymane Wall into Gilneas. Back in Wrath. Good times!

I mean, this is something that is really missing from retail WoW. The Greymane Wall, Grim Batol, Uldum, the Forgotten Crypt. All these places that you shouldn't get to with the tantalizing smell of secrets. The world is too.....discovered.

[Azalar]

K'aresh still seems more likely to me than Avaloren considering Avaloren has barely been canon for a year. It needs more set-up.

However, I also get the sense that Blizzard is afraid of doing another cosmic adventure expansion so soon after Shadowlands, especially after Dragonflight restored some of the faith people had lost in the franchise.

I remember "going back to Azeroth" being a big part of the marketing for Dragonflight. They might want to hold on to that and keep us in a more grounded setting for at least a few more expansions before risking it all with another leap into the unknown.

The "going back to Azeroth" part is tricky because yeah, we're in Azeroth, but in a new area we've never been before that's disconnected from the world. Essentially it's the same as going to the Shadowlands.

If we're going to chase the void, we still need a reason as to why the void is there -besides Dimensius easy linking-. I mean, why is K'aresh linked to Azeroth? The Ethereals never suggested so.

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Edit: Mediterranean climate would be something in between Westfall and Redridge if I had to compare.

[Chickat]

This is probably your last chance because I don't see blizzcon making it after this flop of a year. The over all loss they are going to take is going to be insane, for the record EVERY blizzcon has been a financial loss for Blizzard, but at least they still sold out.

This year will be the biggest financial loss in Blizzcon history since they can't even pull the numbers to sell out that means less merch sales and less profit over all off hype.

Even if they have the literal dream of blizzcons (sc3, WC4, Classic +, world revamp all at once) I doubt they will profit off preorders due to the lack of faith in the company.

I'd be willing to bet the next blizzcon will simply be a Microsoft tradeshow integration.

It's a shame truly, especially as a huge fan (this will be my 7th or 8th Blizzcon I've attended.) It's just a shadow of what it once was.


Every after party is cancelled, there's very little promo happening and hype is abysmally low. It's a lost cause imo.

Its still EXTREMELY cheap marketing for them. They have never had the goal of making money with the event. Its a fantastic marketing tool. Nothing more. That wont change with them losing a little more money than normal. Still very cheap by marketing standards.

[Wangming]

Someone should throw together a Golden Yak style Khaz Algar expansion thread. Not as a leak, but just to give us an idea of what we could see. Im not creative enough for that.

I mean yeah, that could work. Granted it could also end up as a disappointment if what we get is way below what Yak came up with.