The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[pacotaco]

go back and quest through/interact with everything.... literally everything pre-Shadowlands.


Even BFA is what WARCRAFT is about. Brought most beautiful landmass. Has some really, REALLY dark fantasy in it (Drustwar, Stormsong Valley, Nazmir....)

Compare Waycrest Manor to Al'gethar (w/e spelling) Academy dungeons. And you will see why DF (and potentially 11.0) sux and has nothing to do with WARCRAFT FRANCHISE (not saying that we solely need WARCRAFT.... but WARCRAFT-TASTE)

I disagree. DF is Warcraft, but just lean a bit too much onto the light hearted. Pandaria was the same, but it turned darker as the plot progressed.
DF just stayed almost the same, that's the problem.

[Melorandor]

Something tells me Khaz Algar will be located west of northern Kalimdor specifically.

We've got two titan facilities on or around the Eastern Kingdoms: Uldaman in the south and Uldorous in the north.
There are a couple in the middle of the map, ranging from Ulduar and Uldis in Northrend, to Uldir in Zandalar.

But on Kalimdor, we've only got Uldum in the south. Nothing in the north.

So there were Titan facilities erected with relative proximity to the known Old Gods and their domains in the Black Empire, spread out fairly evenly across ancient Kalimdor. But not in the northwest for some reason.

Now, what's up there? We know the Old Gods had a presence, because there are remnants of old monstrosities in Darkshore for example. But interestingly enough, apart from Neptulon's domain being up there, there doesn't seem to be an Old God ruling over this part of Kalimdor.

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If anything, it kind of looks like the influence of Yogg-Saron, C'thun and Y'shaarj converge at that point. Were they all involved in ursurping another Old God there, perhaps? With that Old God gone, did the Titans not deem it worthy to erect any additional facilities to watch over that land?

Interestingly, the 5th Old God is depicted as a sort of Old God of Life and Death in Chronicles art. What do we know is in the northern part of Kalimdor? Well, the world tree Nordrassil, Darkshore with its iconic dark version of Elune, among other things. There must be a reason why Cenarius would hang out there in ages past, and why Nordrassil was planted there, surely.

Could it be that northern Kalimdor is where many events took place in ages past, involving Xal'atath, Elune, etc?

And could Khaz Algar be a section of that region which broke off from ancient Kalimdor during the Sundering?

If so, we've got a lot of themes converging there:

- Dark Moon / Elune
- Dragonriders of Bashal'Aran
- Mysterious dead Old God colossus on the shores of Darkshore
- Neptulon's domain, and a big Naga presence
- World Tree(s)
- Absence of Titan influence
- Potential dead 5th Old God

The storms of the west might originate from there, or perhaps Odyn created them as an artificial barrier to just seal that part of the world off.
So if you fly west from Teldrassil (RIP), you eventually encounter stormy weather, and within it Khaz Algar. If you fly even further west, you exit the storm on the other side of Azeroth.

There is a titan facility under Bael Modan, supposedly.

[matijwow]

Something tells me Khaz Algar will be located west of northern Kalimdor specifically.

We've got two titan facilities on or around the Eastern Kingdoms: Uldaman in the south and Uldorous in the north.
There are a couple in the middle of the map, ranging from Ulduar and Uldis in Northrend, to Uldir in Zandalar.

But on Kalimdor, we've only got Uldum in the south. Nothing in the north.

So there were Titan facilities erected with relative proximity to the known Old Gods and their domains in the Black Empire, spread out fairly evenly across ancient Kalimdor. But not in the northwest for some reason.

Now, what's up there? We know the Old Gods had a presence, because there are remnants of old monstrosities in Darkshore for example. But interestingly enough, apart from Neptulon's domain being up there, there doesn't seem to be an Old God ruling over this part of Kalimdor.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Bla...ap_Overlay.png

If anything, it kind of looks like the influence of Yogg-Saron, C'thun and Y'shaarj converge at that point. Were they all involved in ursurping another Old God there, perhaps? With that Old God gone, did the Titans not deem it worthy to erect any additional facilities to watch over that land?

Interestingly, the 5th Old God is depicted as a sort of Old God of Life and Death in Chronicles art. What do we know is in the northern part of Kalimdor? Well, the world tree Nordrassil, Darkshore with its iconic dark version of Elune, among other things. There must be a reason why Cenarius would hang out there in ages past, and why Nordrassil was planted there, surely.

Could it be that northern Kalimdor is where many events took place in ages past, involving Xal'atath, Elune, etc?

And could Khaz Algar be a section of that region which broke off from ancient Kalimdor during the Sundering?

If so, we've got a lot of themes converging there:

- Dark Moon / Elune
- Dragonriders of Bashal'Aran
- Mysterious dead Old God colossus on the shores of Darkshore
- Neptulon's domain, and a big Naga presence
- World Tree(s)
- Absence of Titan influence
- Potential dead 5th Old God

The storms of the west might originate from there, or perhaps Odyn created them as an artificial barrier to just seal that part of the world off.
So if you fly west from Teldrassil (RIP), you eventually encounter stormy weather, and within it Khaz Algar. If you fly even further west, you exit the storm on the other side of Azeroth.

There's also Maraudon, which has Titan-like architecture but elemental and Old God stuff inside (Vanilla quest for Old God artifacts there), and the giant snake skeletons in southern Desolace.

[Ferlion]

There is a titan facility under Bael Modan, supposedly.

It's heavily implied through a lot of lore that Kalimdor has either one giant Titan vault, or multiple.

Old implications that Darkshore has a Titan vault of some sort under it, Barrens, IIRC there was hints of one in Duskwallow Marsh in BFA, though it was through datamined stuff so I dont know if it ever made it in game.

[Chickat]

Reading through this thread is a joy. I wonder how many of you are planning to hate the next expansion no matter what is announced.

Its also interesting to see how many of you say that Dragonflight is boring, I'm glad that some of you are starting to turn around on the cosmic stuff. Post shadowlands cosmic was a bad word. But I remember there being a call for a slower expansion, back on Azeroth (I understand that Azeroth to some just means Kalimdor and EK) without a massive big bad. Blizzard does that and some of yall are still mad.

We wanted a chill expansion, not a boring one. Nothing has really happened overall. MoP was chill too and had a much better story imo. Not that DF is bad, just a little bland and unexciting.

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We had the Crown of Wills + The Progenitor tier sets amping us. I'd argue the scales were evenly tipped tbh.

I have no idea what a progenitor tier set is tbh. Is that an actual thing in the lore?

Idk the whole story was a mess and could have been done 1000 times better. It had some cool ideas and themes, but poor execution.

[Jaggler]

We wanted a chill expansion, not a boring one. Nothing has really happened overall. MoP was chill too and had a much better story imo. Not that DF is bad, just a little bland and unexciting.

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I have no idea what a progenitor tier set is tbh. Is that an actual thing in the lore?

Idk the whole story was a mess and could have been done 1000 times better. It had some cool ideas and themes, but poor execution.

I wouldn't say that MoP was chill. There was action from the moment you arrive in Pandaria with just a few breaks in the Jade forest (before the statue blows up) and the Valley of the four winds.

But i agree that DF is unexciting, though i wouldn't use the word bland.

[Chickat]

I wonder if "The Great Dragons---Blessing of Amirdrassil" event happens DURING or AFTER the raid. Could happen DURING where the dragons show up to receive the blessing to defeat Fyrakk. Alternatively, could happen AFTER as a "reward" for protecting it? Interesting, nevertheless!

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Everyone here has their head canon/ridiculous fan fiction, so that's mine. Haha.

Also, why would Vyranoth accept the blessing? Sure it might not be directly titan related, but she seems the type to not want any outside force messing with her race/the planet. The only way i could see it maybe making sense is if its the only way to defeat Fyrakk and she does it as a last resort.

[Ferlion]

Eh. I still think DF is top 3 or 4 expansions, regardless of some of my reservations on the story and it's tone. Again, they did say upfront that DF will be a different tone. That's all good and cool and all.

It's fine. Gameplay has been great, for the most part, dungeons fun (though not the best), raids have been fun (but not the best).

Honestly, most of Dragonflight can be described as almost, but not quite the best in everything it does. That isn't a bad thing. It makes me excited for next expansion. I've really enjoyed DF so far.

I think a lot of people are really negative about it beyond just having criticism.
Everything kind of just.. misses a certain je ne sais quoi

[Worldshaper]

So basically what you guys are saying is that future lore might place Uldaz somewhere in the vicinity of northern Kalimdor. Say, for example, that Khaz Algar sits off the west coast of Darkshore, beyond Teldrassil, and underneath the large region that is Khaz Algar + Darkshore etc., there's where you'll find the titan facility + dead 5th Old God.

[Ferlion]

I wouldn't say that MoP was chill. There was action from the moment you arrive in Pandaria with just a few breaks in the Jade forest (before the statue blows up) and the Valley of the four winds.

But i agree that DF is unexciting, though i wouldn't use the word bland.

MoP was literally anything but chill. In the opening it has you gunning down orcs with machine guns as they swim to shore. It has the Horde kidnap Pandaeran children and threaten to kill them to get the cooperation of the villagers.

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So basically what you guys are saying is that future lore might place Uldaz somewhere in the vicinity of northern Kalimdor. Say, for example, that Khaz Algar sits off the west coast of Darkshore, beyond Teldrassil, and underneath the large region that is Khaz Algar + Darkshore etc., there's where you'll find the titan facility + dead 5th Old God.

Well, I mean..

There are Troggs in Darkshore. And a bunch of Titan relics. And have been since Vanilla. It isn't outside the realm of possibility that we see some sort of Dwarven/earthen presence there at all.

And you have, if memory serves, a whole bunch of Old God influence underneath Stonetalon Mountain with implications of something ooky spooky being there.

[Sondrelk]

We wanted a chill expansion, not a boring one. Nothing has really happened overall. MoP was chill too and had a much better story imo. Not that DF is bad, just a little bland and unexciting.

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I have no idea what a progenitor tier set is tbh. Is that an actual thing in the lore?

Idk the whole story was a mess and could have been done 1000 times better. It had some cool ideas and themes, but poor execution.

The items you get from a raid are part of the lore, and inside the Sepulcher you did get tier sets which increases your power levels.

[Nymrohd]

I disagree. DF is Warcraft, but just lean a bit too much onto the light hearted. Pandaria was the same, but it turned darker as the plot progressed.
DF just stayed almost the same, that's the problem.

Pandaria had both light and dark moments. The first zone had a proper balance. And while it had light hearted moments in the Valley of Four Winds, Kun Lai and Townlong had some very dark questlines (the Shado Pan lady possessed by the Sha of Hatred doing war crimes against the Taunka is as dark as it gets).
Plus the light hearted moments were fully realized. Halfhill was a questline that would probably take you a month to unlock max rep with every character not to mention how it synergized with leveling Pandaren cooking which was very involved and interacted with your farm.
I felt that several questlines in DF don't really go anywhere. I was excited when I saw we unlocked extra quests at different renown levels for the DF faction but . . . do we really? You get one questline in Iskara that unlocks an additional Tuskar settlement; there are more settlements than that one though on the island. Why not have at least one quest that also has you travel to Northrend to see them reconnect with their kin there? Maybe have an additional quests with the baby gnoll at the end.
Maruuk questline ends with the dungeon and we get no additional quests; at least you get some more info with the Baine quest though that doesn't explain how the Nokhud remain such a major threat after they take such a beating during the campaign and dungeon.
The Dragonscale Expedition quests also don't really go anywhere; you spend so much time to get inside the vault but we don't really see them make any important connections; it is just plot exposition. At least a decent amount of work went into their climbing world quest (though the photography one is so half-baked, what is the point of taking photos if we can never see them!)

[Chickat]

I heard that something in Zaralek implies that Tyr experimented on dragons with different kinds of magic and that Galakrond was infected with decay magic that then got amplified by Yogg-Saron, and that's why he was hungry and created undead dragons. Idk if that's true.

Kinda sucks that Tyr is probably going to be a villain. I hope we dont kill him at least. I'm fine killing Odyn, but at least 1 keeper should end up on our side imo.

[Jaggler]

Also, why would Vyranoth accept the blessing? Sure it might not be directly titan related, but she seems the type to not want any outside force messing with her race/the planet. The only way i could see it maybe making sense is if its the only way to defeat Fyrakk and she does it as a last resort.

I think it really depends on what kind of blessing it is.
The main issue Vyranoth had, was that the titan blessing altered the dragons and even worse the whelps/eggs. If the Blessing of Amirdrassil is just an empowerment i don't see, why she would be opposed to it.

[Reive]

Even worse. DF had the selling point of a new class and race and a complete rework of all classes with the new talent tree system and dragonriding.

What is his selling point?
- A new spec (we got a new class with 2 specs with DF launch and and extra one with a patch later)
- Shaman for all (we had 3 of that in DF with mages, rogues and priest)
- A new race (we got that with DF)

It feels more like a DF patch content than a full expansion.

yeah it smells of lazy. really hope the guy is wrong

[Lady Atia]

Kinda sucks that Tyr is probably going to be a villain. I hope we dont kill him at least. I'm fine killing Odyn, but at least 1 keeper should end up on our side imo.

Well, we will prolly have Freya and maybe even the ones on Avaloren on our side. Honestly, I kinda want them to make good on Shadowlands initial idea and don't chicken out again - presenting the Avalaoren keepers as the bad guys initially but switching to Odyn being the true evil one through the Expansion as we understand that the titans view is broken.

(which would have made Shadowlands so much better if the Jailer turned out to be actually the good guy, simply because Sylvanas was right in saying that the whole cycle of life and death was broken and shitty as hell)

[Chickat]

I wouldn't say that MoP was chill. There was action from the moment you arrive in Pandaria with just a few breaks in the Jade forest (before the statue blows up) and the Valley of the four winds.

But i agree that DF is unexciting, though i wouldn't use the word bland.

MoP was definitely chill compared to anything we had at that point in WoW. Pandaren constantly tell us to slow down. Life is to be savored. Id say its the most chill xpac besides DF.

[Nymrohd]

We wanted a chill expansion, not a boring one. Nothing has really happened overall. MoP was chill too and had a much better story imo. Not that DF is bad, just a little bland and unexciting.

I don't know how chill MoP was. At launch two of the reps end with a zone-wide battle scenario, one that finishes inside a dungeon and the other one tied to a raid. The taunka slaughter multiple villages in Kun Lai and then the Shado Pan retaliate with equal violence. In Krasarang we arrive at a temple to find every last monk massacred.

[Chickat]

I think it really depends on what kind of blessing it is.
The main issue Vyranoth had, was that the titan blessing altered the dragons and even worse the whelps/eggs. If the Blessing of Amirdrassil is just an empowerment i don't see, why she would be opposed to it.

We will see I suppose.

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I don't know how chill MoP was. At launch two of the reps end with a zone-wide battle scenario, one that finishes inside a dungeon and the other one tied to a raid. The taunka slaughter multiple villages in Kun Lai and then the Shado Pan retaliate with equal violence. In Krasarang we arrive at a temple to find every last monk massacred.

They literally called it a breather expansion when they announced it. Its not chill compared to My little Pony, but comparing all wow xpacs, its definitely what I would describe as chill. It heavily focused on chill features too. Like pet battles, tillers, anglers, cloud serpents etc.

[Nymrohd]

They literally called it a breather expansion when they announced it. Its not chill compared to My little Pony, but comparing all wow xpacs, its definitely what I would describe as chill. It heavily focused on chill features too. Like pet battles, tillers, anglers, cloud serpents etc.

It did have chill elements but the War part did not diminish at all.

And I don't think it has in Dragonflight, I just feel it is less impactful. Could be spectacle creep, could be that some of us cannot get as invested in the characters, probably has to do with the lack of factions.