The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Woke it Up]

I haven't been on the PTR but does it seem possible that the emerald dream could be expanded?

[ImTheMizAwesome]

– Big updates to classes, races and customization

im always up for this, i will be disappointed if next expansion won't have any.

[Mace]

For Avaloren i want an archipelago. Individual zones separated by water, and with a customizable ship to get us around.
For capital city probably a Dwarven city on a cliff side or something to that effect.


Don't want an underground expansion so I don't have any strong opinion here.


For a world revamp I would like to see SW and Orgrimmar as main hubs, with Gilneas retaken and made into a full City. If parity is necessary and Bilgewater harbor is too close to make into a new city then maybe make Kezan accessible and make that into the Goblin hub.
Also new Draenei city on Azuremyst using various Draenei assets. And Silvermoon revamped to modern standards, with a dock to let us go to Isle of Quel'danas without a loading screen. Both of these areas of course being added to the rest of EK and Kalimdor.

For zones I want everything visually revamped, with various old zone boundaries removed where it makes sense, and similar adjacent zones being treated as one big zone to make it easier to design storylines for them and lessen the overall workload of making a dedicated questline for each one individually.

Tbh.. I don't want Silvermoon or Quel'thalas revamped unless it is an expansion focus, like they did for night elves in Legion. Suramar and Nar'thalas were that good because that was the main architecture of the expansion and they could pour art assets into it. Tbh, that effort can likely produce every night elf urban city they choose to make for the next decade or two until another massive upgrade. And that's because they upgrade the entire night elf set. City upgrade - Darnassus becomes Suramar, Forest upgrade with Ashenvale becoming Val'Sharah, Temple upgrade too, ruins got upgraded.. and then new things like the Wardens' Vault, The Moonguard Stronghold and Black Rook Hold - that's what being the centre of an expansion set architecture gets you. They doubled the load with Zandalar and Boralus in 8.0 given two distinct and fleshed out architecture as the expansion ground work set then threw in Naz'jatar although that just didn't have the same polish did it - it wasn't start of expansion but patch.

Silvermoon needs that sort of central focus to be really good. Or have you not noticed the best art work is done when it is an expansion focus - just like the original Silvermoon.

But I do want a revamp. Would be nice to get Azure/Bloodmyst revamp - I really hope they use Shattrath and Auchindouin style for more Draenei cities and structures, I thought those were so good, a copy paste plus polish would be good enough for me.

On main land - Feralas and Un'goro are still in classic state. they need total revamp - which gives hope for Dire Maul and Eldre'thalas to be an actual city - total redesign, likely a copy paste from Suramar would work as it is night elven civilization architecture. How that ties in with Amirdrassil.. I don't know.. but I wouldn't be surprised if Amirdrassil ends up in Feralas now.. but it could end up on the new continent if the Elun'ahir world tree thing is real.. it could end up in the Emerald Dream. Whatever they do, I do wish for a stunningly beautiful night elf city, night elven love of nature and Elune is the source of their beautiful architecture - as it's emulating beauty of nature in stone and doing something incredible to reflect the beauty of their goddess - this is how the Cathedral of Eternal Night is so good, and then the city structures try to copy the temples - it is arcane and nature magic used to build them. So I expect something that looks really nice.

I would prefer every racial capital to have or be city hubs themselves... and every character be given a racial insta hearthstone there. Every capital has a portal room network, and one of those rooms is just for portals to other cities, with the rest being portals to expansion hubs. Not just Stormwind and Orgrimmar. The idea is that the likely place in a city a person would be is their racial hub, and it's a super server there. Where they don't have a city, an allied race will share with a main race or vice versa until they get one. In addition. Kezan, Gilneas City are now the hubs for Goblins and Worgen revamped to be useable. Void elves can hitch with the Night elves till they get their place. Mag'har with the orcs in Orgrimmar. Pandas are in the Veil shrines. Dracthyr in Valdrakken. Darkspears can choose Dazar'alar or maybe even Atal'dazar or Orgrimmar - unless they want to make them move to a revamped Zul'gurub or copy paste one of the troll designs on Echo Isle. Gnomes I would say can choose Mechagon or Gnomeragan - but ideally Gnomeragan would be revamped.

Dark Irons will be in Thaurissian city - revamped and is a dungeon you help them clear.

Mag'har would be interesting.. do you split them up by clans and ship them in different places, keep them in Orgrimmar ,or have them together in a new place like Borean Tundra orc fortress expanded into a city? (copy past architecture from WoD - Iron docks.

[Woke it Up]

Tbh.. I don't want Silvermoon or Quel'thalas revamped unless it is an expansion focus, like they did for night elves in Legion. Suramar and Nar'thalas were that good because that was the main architecture of the expansion and they could pour art assets into it. Tbh, that effort can likely produce every night elf urban city they choose to make for the next decade or two until another massive upgrade.

Silvermoon needs that sort of central focus to be really good. Or have you not noticed the best art work is done when it is an expansion focus - just like the original Silvermoon.

But I do want a revamp. Would be nice to get Azure/Bloodmyst revamp - I really hope they use Shattrath and Auchindouin style for more Draenei cities and structures, I thought those were so good, a copy paste plus polish would be good enough for me.

On main land - Feralas and Un'goro are still in classic state. they need total revamp - which gives hope for Dire MAul and Eldre'thalas to be an actual cit - total redesign, likely a copy paste from Suramar would work as it is night elven civilization architecture. How that ties in with AMirdrassil.. i don't know.. but I wouldn't be surprised if AMirdrassil ends up in Feralas now.. but it could end up on the new conitent if the Elun'ahir world tree thing is real.. it could end up in the Emerald Dream. Whatever they do, I do wish for a stunningly beautiful night elf city, night elven love of nature and Elune is the source of their beautiful architecture - as it's emulating beauty of nature in stone and doing something incredible to reflect the beauty of their goddes s 0 this is how the Cathedral of Eternal Night is so good,and then the city structures try to copy the temples - it is arcane and nature magic used to build them. So I expect something that looks really nice.

I would prefer every racial capital to have or be city hubs themselves... and every character be given a racial insta hearthstone there. Every capital has a portal room network, and one of those rooms is just for portals to other cities, with the rest being portals to expansion hubs. Not just stormwind and Orgrimmar. The idea is that the likely place in a city a person would be is their racial hub, and it's a super server there. Where they don't have a city, an allied race will share with a main race or vice versa until they get one. In addition. Kezan, Gilneas City are now the hubs for Goblins and Worgen revamped to be useable. Void elves can hitch with the Night elves till they get their place. Mag'har with the orcs in Orgrimmar. Pandas are in the Veil shrines. Dracthyr in Valdrakken. Darkspears can choose Dazar'alar or maybe even Atal'dazar or Orgrimmar - unless they want to make them move to a revamped Zul'gurub or copy paste one of the troll designs on Echo Isle. Gnomes I would say can choose Mechagon or Gnomeragan - but ideally Gnomeragan would be revamped.

Dark Irons will be in Thaurissian city - revamped and is a dungeon you help them clear.

Mag'har would be interesting.. do you split them up by clans and ship them in difffernet places, keep them in ORgrimmar ,or have them together in a new place like Borean Tundra orc fortresss expanded into a city? (copy past architecture from WoD - Iron docks.

I liked the teldrassil update in bfa

[Marlamin]

For real though?

no not for realsies

[Mace]

If it is a revamp then the capitals need to be massive. It's time. We've now had Suramar, Boralus/Zuldazar and Valdrakken. If they revamp them and they're still the current side it's gonna come off laughable.

I can only see capitals as being great if they are expansion hubs and/or raid tier. Suramar was the focus of Legion, even though Dalaran was the hub, but the city was a major quest hub of the zone, held 2 instances and one raid. Dazar'alor held 1 raid as well as being expansion hub, Boralus held 1 instance and a partial questing zone in addition to being expansion hub. Valdrakken was the expansion hub

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I liked the teldrassil update in bfa

They said that was going to be a raid and end game zone.. but maybe they ended up going with Amirdarssil and the emerald dream instead. /shrug

I don't see how hard it is to turn dungeon/raid cities into hubs.. probably more work then is warranted. Still when they do places like Mechagon as dungeons, they should also have hub version of it, done also for lateruse. Same with ruined places like Nar'thalas and Zn'Azshari - keep the pristine version file, then polish i later to be rleased as a hub you phase into at a later date. IT would be a nice treat for players I'll wager and a nice reward for completing a quest zone or expansion story line ands ee some development happen

[huth]

Sahara Desert, Avon River, Gobi Desert, Beijing, Tokyo, half a dozen Alexandrias. Two Frankfurts, Several New Somethings and god knows how many American cities that are just exact names of European cities.

Lazy names aren't that unrealistic.

Don't forget x-town, -ville etc.

Though the desert desert and the river river are particularly silly.

Most real place names are pretty lazy. They're just usually in some older dialect that people don't speak anymore.

[Wangming]

Don't forget x-town, -ville etc.

Though the desert desert and the river river are particularly silly.

Most real place names are pretty lazy. They're just usually in some older dialect that people don't speak anymore.

True. I mean the lack of two other Gadgetzans is more unrealistic than what their inclusion would be.

[huth]

True. I mean the lack of two other Gadgetzans is more unrealistic than what their inclusion would be.

Wouldn't be surprising if it turned out that Elwynn just means forest or Tanaris being an old word for Desert, either.

[Wangming]

Wouldn't be surprising if it turned out that Elwynn just means forest or Tanaris being an old word for Desert, either.

Yep. Oh by the way. Wasn't the capital of Lordaeron literally called Capital City?
That's the realest shit ever.

[ChronoSul]

Since nothing new has happend.

How would everyone feel about a Hearthstone based expansion?
Alternate Timeline, but everything from Hearthstone is true: Gangstercity Gadgetzan, Party at Medivhs Karahzan, Scholomance as a functioning Magical School, the league of Evil and all that stuff.

Why not? Honestly some of the more recent Hearthstone sets feel more warcrafty then modern wow at times. We also will be seeing another theme never covered in WoW covered in Hearthstone's Next Set Showdown in Badlands aka the wild west. & Part of Hearthstone's canon has become canon to warcraft in general before so it wouldnt be to much of a stretch

[Skildar]

I don't see why anybody would want to take that pompous jerk's side, but then again, some people were crazy enough to follow Sylvanas in BfA.

I chose to follow Sylvanas during BfA because Saurfang while talking about honour 24/7 is the most dishonourable of the horde. Starting a war then letting Malfurion live because all of a sudden he thinks he can take him on in a duel and that his attack in the back is not fair, on a battlefield... The guy was loosing all of his sanity a bit too fast for me. Then Baine decides to play the alliance side.

I'm ok for the horde to act like bastards if they're in a situation that demands it, supporting Sylvanas was ok in that sense especially considering the alternatives. I'm actually surprised that it seems like a bad choice to some people, but then again few people read Elegy and A Good War.

[Wangming]

Why not? Honestly some of the more recent Hearthstone sets feel more warcrafty then modern wow at times. We also will be seeing another theme never covered in WoW covered in Hearthstone's Next Set Showdown in Badlands aka the wild west. & Part of Hearthstone's canon has become canon to warcraft in general before so it wouldnt be to much of a stretch

My fav parts are the Hearthstone Gadgetzan and the Witchwood. Give me monster hunter shit. Equip Tess with a wrist-mounter crossbow and have her go nuts.

[ercarp]

no not for realsies

Damn. Was hoping it was for realsies.

[Wangming]

I chose to follow Sylvanas during BfA because Saurfang while talking about honour 24/7 is the most dishonourable of the horde. Starting a war then letting Malfurion live because all of a sudden he thinks he can take him on in a duel and that his attack in the back is not fair, on a battlefield... The guy was loosing all of his sanity a bit too fast for me. Then Baine decides to play the alliance side.

I'm ok for the horde to act like bastards if they're in a situation that demands it, supporting Sylvanas was ok in that sense especially considering the alternatives. I'm actually surprised that it seems like a bad choice to some people, but then again few people read Elegy and A Good War.

All the blabbering about honor from Saurfang (more like Sourfang), reminds me of Javik.

You still have hope that this war can be won with your honor intact. Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the souls if honor matters. The silence is your answer.

[Nymrohd]

All the blabbering about honor from Saurfang (more like Sourfang), reminds me of Javik.

You still have hope that this war can be won with your honor intact. Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the souls if honor matters. The silence is your answer.

The thing is, Saurfang had already stood on those ashes twice, once with Shattrath and then again with Stormwind. Heck, it happens in Astranaar! I guess he was a really slow learner.

[Makorus]

All the blabbering about honor from Saurfang (more like Sourfang), reminds me of Javik.

You still have hope that this war can be won with your honor intact. Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the souls if honor matters. The silence is your answer.

It baffled me that Saurfang was supposed to be sympathetic in any way. If he was written in a way like Sylvanas, where at the end of day, you have to pick which one is the "lesser evil", so to say, it would have been a more meaningful choice. If she was written a bit better, i.e. not just incredibly evil, it could have been an interesting case of "Pragmatism vs Ideals/Honour".

The fact that he is the "good" choice is just... stupid? He doesn't learn from his mistakes, he just keeps going "Oh, how could this have happened!". My man, you were in charge of the conflict that kicked this off. You specifically say this is not your first rodeo. This is not the first time you did fucked up shit under a warchief.

[Wangming]

It baffled me that Saurfang was supposed to be sympathetic in any way. If he was written in a way like Sylvanas, where at the end of day, you have to pick which one is the "lesser evil", so to say, it would have been a more meaningful choice. If she was written a bit better, i.e. not just incredibly evil, it could have been an interesting case of "Pragmatism vs Ideals/Honour".

The fact that he is the "good" choice is just... stupid? He doesn't learn from his mistakes, he just keeps going "Oh, how could this have happened!". My man, you were in charge of the conflict that kicked this off. You specifically say this is not your first rodeo. This is not the first time you did fucked up shit under a warchief.

Saurfang: 'I'm gonna go and die with honor.
Sylvanas: Fuck honor. I want you to live and win this fucking war for the Horde. Your sacrifice benefits nobody.

Context aside, in that disagreement Sylvanas was totally right.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

blizzard is doing this with leaks this year

[Makorus]

Saurfang: 'I'm gonna go and die with honor.
Sylvanas: Fuck honor. I want you to live and win this fucking war for the Horde. Your sacrifice benefits nobody.

Context aside, in that disagreement Sylvanas was totally right.

That's the worst thing about BfA/Shadowlands. There are parts where Sylvanas is written really well and in an interesting way.

But then they realized that, oh shit, we have to turn her into a villain!