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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Since vanilla? Don't think so.
    Alliance officially teaming up with Horde? Yes we did.

    Might of Kalimdor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Since vanilla? Don't think so.
    Yes, since vanilla. Argent Dawn, Circle of Cenarius, Earthen Ring... there's always been cooperation even between rather high-ranking members of Horde and Alliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Horde/Alliance metric needs to exist for the point of reference. (Them and us)
    Certain cultural specifics tend to form bonds. Case in point, druids. Nelf and Tauren share a belief structure. It baffles me that the next logical step of forming a stronger relationship has never been written. No instead we got Cairne swearing allegiance to Horde...
    Nelf and Tauren should have formed their own faction.
    Cairne teamed up with the Horde becasue of W3 events. Thrall literally saved the ass of his tribe by escorting them to Mulgore. It would be much weirder if Cairne would just peace out after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Cairne teamed up with the Horde becasue of W3 event. Thrall literally saved the ass of his tribe by escorting him to Mulgore. It would be much weirder if Cairne would just peace out after that.
    Let's also not forget that the Tauren only became Druidic in Vanilla WoW. Previously, their spiritualism was more their own.

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    After seeing these new "blades of elune" i am a bit worried. These weapons look too nature/druid-like while elune's aesthetic should be based on the moon/priests. I hope she doesn't end up being the green version of the winter queen

    Pls stop crapping on night elves' lore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    After seeing these new "blades of elune" i am a bit worried. These weapons look too nature/druid-like while elune's aesthetic should be based on the moon/priests. I hope she doesn't end up being the green version of the winter queen

    Pls stop crapping on night elves' lore.
    You do realise we just learned Elune is a Life-aligned equivalent of the Winter Queen? Not to mention her sister? Also, Druids were taught by Cenarius... who is her son.
    She's always been connected to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Thats a very absolutist statement.


    And no I don't believe the factions's identity are diluted despite what people like to say on here.
    Eh, i've only seen very short-lived exceptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    After seeing these new "blades of elune" i am a bit worried. These weapons look too nature/druid-like while elune's aesthetic should be based on the moon/priests. I hope she doesn't end up being the green version of the winter queen

    Pls stop crapping on night elves' lore.
    The scythe of Elune is literally a Druid weapon and looks similar just without the bark going up the blade and no leafs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    The scythe of Elune is literally a Druid weapon and looks similar just without the bark going up the blade and no leafs.

    Yeah the scythe is a more balanced look

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    Speaking of Elune. There's certainly a lot of Night Elf aesthetics in the trade post. I really do wonder if the Emerald Dream / Lifelands were cut content from SLs. Perhaps the leaked glaive wasn't about 10.2 at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Cairne teamed up with the Horde becasue of W3 events. Thrall literally saved the ass of his tribe by escorting them to Mulgore. It would be much weirder if Cairne would just peace out after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    That was how Blizz wrote it originally. And considering Varian's words of "monstrous races" back in WotLK they meant to continue the idea that Tauren are no different.
    The Tauren need a do-over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    The Tauren need a do-over.
    What kind of do-over? Identity change? Sudden third faction with nelves while forgetting all the help from the Horde and their years of teaming up? Not gonna happen and waaaay to late to even consider it. A core Horde race since W3 suddenly leaving? How do you think that would look?
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    If the game had told the story of the WC3 Horde instead of the story of a wannabe WC2 Horde + Forsaken, then the tauren would have fit just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    What kind of do-over? Identity change? Sudden third faction with nelves while forgetting all the help from the Horde and their years of teaming up? Not gonna happen and waaaay to late to even consider it. A core Horde race since W3 suddenly leaving? How do you think that would look?
    They need to be rewritten from the meek milkwater punching bags to the fierce warriors they should have always been.

    But who am I kidding? You're defending the poorly written crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    They need to be rewritten from the meek milkwater punching bags to the fierce warriors they should have always been.

    But who am I kidding? You're defending the poorly written crap.
    Ye, sure. And you are the guy who defo knows how things should be. Just disregard 17y of game story, make them raging bulls and let them split from the Horde 4Head.

    And regarding fierce warriors, maybe go check on the newest quest line in which Baine maws down centaurs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    If the game had told the story of the WC3 Horde instead of the story of a wannabe WC2 Horde + Forsaken, then the tauren would have fit just fine.
    Indeed, the faction conflict should have ended with WC3, with minor issues like Jaina dealing with her family's judgment. The repeat return to "Orcs vs Humans, raaaaah!" has hurt WoW time and time again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanyel View Post
    Indeed, the faction conflict should have ended with WC3, with minor issues like Jaina dealing with her family's judgment. The repeat return to "Orcs vs Humans, raaaaah!" has hurt WoW time and time again.
    I am not sure I would go that far. You absolutely could have had faction conflcit with the honorable Horde that Thrall was trying to establish after WC3 and the Alliance without the Horde reverting to WC2 mentality. Ofc the main issue is that the Kaldorei and Forsaken never belonged in their respective factions (the Blood Elves have largely been inoffensive as a state).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I am not sure I would go that far. You absolutely could have had faction conflcit with the honorable Horde that Thrall was trying to establish after WC3 and the Alliance without the Horde reverting to WC2 mentality. Ofc the main issue is that the Kaldorei and Forsaken never belonged in their respective factions (the Blood Elves have largely been inoffensive as a state).
    The headache with the purge of Dalaran has been annoying but it's surprising that you're actually right, the belfs pragmatist politicking is a lot more Horde fitting than the Forsaken with their 'being super evil and obvious about betraying the rest of the Horde, and the rest of the Horde just not doing anything about it' even when the Kor'kron were in the Undercity... Nothing meaningfully changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanyel View Post
    Indeed, the faction conflict should have ended with WC3, with minor issues like Jaina dealing with her family's judgment. The repeat return to "Orcs vs Humans, raaaaah!" has hurt WoW time and time again.
    That's the funny thing about all this.

    People always go on about how "OH It's called World of WARcraft, not World of PEACEcraft!" when the end of WC3 literally was about "yo, you factions need to fight together or else some evil threat is gonna fuck your planet up!".

    Faction war in WoW was, and always has been an ass-pull. It never made any sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    The headache with the purge of Dalaran has been annoying but it's surprising that you're actually right, the belfs pragmatist politicking is a lot more Horde fitting than the Forsaken with their 'being super evil and obvious about betraying the rest of the Horde, and the rest of the Horde just not doing anything about it' even when the Kor'kron were in the Undercity... Nothing meaningfully changed.
    I'll always say, if they had kept the warcraft 3 factions (Alliance/Humans, Horde, Kaldorei, Forsaken and either make the Blood Elves part of Alliance or add Illidari) into WoW, the story would have been far easier and better. The gameplay would have required cross faction play from day one though.

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