The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I said a dungeon, not a raid. However even as a raid, there's too much lore in that location to just dump it as a raid. Also you sort of have to actually visit a location first before it becomes a raid.

Dungeon or raid it doesn’t really matter, I just like the idea of it being raid sized so I said raid.

And there isn’t actually all that much lore about it with, it’s the main hub of goblins where ??? Amount of trade princes are based, that’s about it. It’s really no more lore then say Grim Batol, shadow forge city, Zul’aman, Dire maul ect, all of which was turned into dungeons or raids.

And of course you absolutely don’t have to go to a location before it’s turned into a raid with the majority of raids being places we can’t visit outside of them being raids.

[Alanar]

Funny enough, I think there are infinite whelps flying around the nighthold, near Elisande.

Wait what, I missed that. Where exactly did you see this?

[Selorian]

Wait what, I missed that. Where exactly did you see this?

They're part of the achievement on her fight: https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Infinitesimal

[Teriz]

Dungeon or raid it doesn’t really matter, I just like the idea of it being raid sized so I said raid.

And there isn’t actually all that much lore about it with, it’s the main hub of goblins where ??? Amount of trade princes are based, that’s about it. It’s really no more lore than say Grim Batol, shadow forge city, Zul’aman, Dire maul ect, all of which was turned into dungeons or raids.

You're seriously comparing ancient, largely abandoned (or monster-controlled) cities to an active, alive city that is directly tied to a faction leader?

Talk about dishonest....

[Alanar]

They're part of the achievement on her fight: https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Infinitesimal

Never paid attention to that, but that is nice that there is at least a connection there.

[Bigjumbo]

Far left side of the zone opens up a bit and has air elementals and troggs in it. There are fissures and cracks in the ground extending out of the jungled area. Zone called Khor'dan Woodlands

[Leowyld]

Not yet. DF got leaked about 6 days prior. We still have time, usually happens near the end of the days leading up to the reveal.

Although Dragonflight's title did get leaked much earlier, about 15 days out. I think that Alexstrasza art was around the same time, too.

[Makorus]

Venture Company allies with Gallywix who uses his leftover stash of Azerite to supply them with scary weaponry so they can take over Undermine.

There you go, Dungeon sorted.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You're seriously comparing ancient, largely abandoned (or monster-controlled) cities to an active, alive city that is directly tied to a faction leader?

Talk about dishonest....

One, none of them were monster controlled but Grim batol.

Two, none of them were largely abandoned.

Three, all were active but grim Batol, dire maul was half an ogre kingdom but still active.

Four, all of them were directly tied to faction leaders.

And lastly, If you don’t like the idea just say that instead of lying about the status of other city’s because you know they all out shine your favourite.

[Teriz]

Venture Company allies with Gallywix who uses his leftover stash of Azerite to supply them with scary weaponry so they can take over Undermine.

There you go, Dungeon sorted.

You can definitely have a dungeon in Undermine, after you actually visit and quest in Undermine. Just like there are raids and dungeons on all WoW continents.

[Makorus]

You can definitely have a dungeon in Undermine, after you actually visit and quest in Undermine. Just like there are raids and dungeons on all WoW continents.

Why do you need that? I never quested in Tazavesh either, or literally any other dungeon.

[Teriz]

One, none of them were monster controlled but Grim batol.

Dire Maul and Zul'amin aren't controlled by Ogres and Jungle Trolls along with various other minions?

Two, none of them were largely abandoned.

Abandoned in terms of who originally built those locations. Not many Dwarves left in Grim Batol for example. The original builders of Dire Maul weren't Ogres.

Three, all were active but grim Batol, dire maul was half an ogre kingdom but still active.

Active in terms of modern denizens going there for general purposes, not to put their lives on the line and kill monsters. Undermine is similar to Stormwind, Orgrimmar, Ironforge, or any other major city.

Four, all of them were directly tied to faction leaders.

And lastly, If you don’t like the idea just say that instead of lying about the status of other city’s because you know they all out shine your favourite.

Tied to it via loose connection via racial history (Shadowforge City excluded). Gazlowe as a trade price is actually a part of the trade coalition that controls Undermine.

[Dragon ANX]

We have 9 days to go, so some true leaks might start to appear, also, HYPE BOYS&GIRLS

[milkmustache]

Can we please get off Undermine discussion for the 100th time in this thread? There's a clear difference between speculating Undermine as a location for 11.0 and waging a holy crusade on its percieved importance.

Regarding Elisande and the Infinites... do we think Blizzard would want to start another expansion with a time-based plot vehicle? WoD seemed cool, but it's definitely messy.

[Northelim]

We have 9 days to go, so some true leaks might start to appear, also, HYPE BOYS&GIRLS

What do you think of the 22mage22 leak?

[Teriz]

Why do you need that? I never quested in Tazavesh either, or literally any other dungeon.

You had to perform multiple quests to unlock Tazavesh, including a quest in front of the market doors to avoid the custom check.

Also Undermine is a city, not a market.

[Mace]

Tess Greymane, she wasn't a worgen but she does play a big role if you played a rogue in Legion. Ivar Bloodfang (leader of the Bloodfang pack), Darius Crowley who was a criminal until the Worgen broke into the city and infected people, to which he turned into a Worgen and is now a commanding officer. There's also his daughter, Lorna Crowley, who was featured in the Alliance side of Stormheim' questline. And Genn's son (Liam) is his whole motivation against Sylvanas and the Forsaken.

There was also that one old lady turned into a Worgen in the Gilneas storyline who eviscerated a Forsaken for trying to take her cat, and there was those 3-4 sailors that sailed out of Gilneas before more of the zone sank into the ocean. And we can even include the Survivors of Southshore since they were held up in Fenris Isle and had to make a choice between turning into worgen or being turned into Forsaken, so they chose being Worgen.

(Cata has a lot of open-ended plots and characters that we almost never seen after that point.)

Indeed we just don't hear from the others enough and in time we forget them. Can't forget Greymane, he's everywhere.

There should be big moments when big characters show up, but mostly it's the smaller ones. I guess they do this after a sorts, it's just that the rest you stop remembering if they don't show up again. You might even never have met them if they're locked in a starting or levelling zone you've never done or only tried once.

Honestly, I'm more surprised you manage to remember Mordant Evenshade, Lothrius Mooncaller, and Vanden.

Just a lot more familiar with Night elf lore. I played Legion through with over 8 characters, only went through cata twice all the way, and about 3 times with earlier zones. Mainly focused on Night elf lands and zones so did both alliance and horde quests to get a good picture of what was going down. I also read the book too. But cata was much further away than Legion.

And I often level toons through legion too, so I'm quite fresh on its content and characters, imo it was one of the best expansions for literally every aspect of the game.

It used so many characters, they all felt important through the class order halls - they could do them justice, the detail and art were amazing, the theme was right up my street and i had been waiting for a pristine night elf city since I started playing warcraft and read the lore books about them.. so I was pretty happy then too.. and the classes all got amazing lore. Demon hunter was the first class that led me to switch from druid. Aside from them Lock and Evoker are the only other classes I've mained properly.

I've played every class though, even to max character. Prob have more mage toons than any though I've never mained one.

[PotHockets]

You had to perform multiple quests to unlock Tazavesh, including a quest in front of the market doors to avoid the custom check.

Also Undermine is a city, not a market.

They were gonna call the MOTHERLODE!!! Undermine originally which means that Blizz, if they ever add it, clearly intend it to be a Raid at most and much more likely just a dungeon.

[Sondrelk]

Can we please get off Undermine discussion for the 100th time in this thread? There's a clear difference between speculating Undermine as a location for 11.0 and waging a holy crusade on its percieved importance.

Regarding Elisande and the Infinites... do we think Blizzard would want to start another expansion with a time-based plot vehicle? WoD seemed cool, but it's definitely messy.

I think it's been long enough that it should be fine. Not to mention that you have two expansions whose impetus was time travel shenanigans. WoD obviously with Garrosh, but also Legion with Gul'dan. Both of those expansions came about because a time travelling orcs, and one of those is a contender for best WoW expansion.

[Zers Editor]

Will we have to fight her though? She was never actually a "bad guy" despite being an enemy. Maybe they will use it as a way to put her back in the story.

Maybe they will use some big-name Primalist as the main enemy or even Mordoth (the void monster from the Silver Hand quest chain).