The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

People enjoy playing villains, and the factions - both of them - are allowed to do war things in a war IP.

There is a difference between "war things" and "war crimes"

[Joszef Kiprich]

Vast majority of some horde players on a small independent forum.

[Nymrohd]

Vast majority of some horde players on a small independent forum.

Blizzard does know the numbers to be fair. Would love to know what % of Horde players who completed the questlines were Loyalists.

[Raetary]

Blizzard does now the numbers to be fair. Would love to know what % of Horde players who completed the questlines were Loyalists.

It's highly unlikely to be a lot.

Not a lot of people pick the bad guy options in games.
Like how in Mass Effect over 90% of players picked Paragon options instead of Renegade.

[huth]

Magically separated is probably amongst the laziest plot devices ever.
Something doesn't make sense?
It was done with special titan magic that has vaguely defined limits or characteristics. it just works.

Lazy it may be, but they've been consistent about it. The cinematic even shows that the Aspects are right above them, but can't get in.

[Shadowferal]

I didn't pick Forsaken as my first race to invest into because I enjoyed being a "good guy". People enjoy playing villains, and the factions - both of them - are allowed to do war things in a war IP.

In my personal revision of lore, and races, "evil" is part of the factions in a more hidden way.*loud cough*
O..umm..*looks around nervously*
...it's referred more as "enlightened self-interest." (The word "evil" is so...gauche)

[Wangming]

Why can't you believe that you can say that? I'm not a fan of Youtubers, but Taliesina is one of the rational and logical WoW content creators and doesn't make rage-mongering content. It's only weird if you agreed to Nazis people like the quarterpoundering.

Normally it takes an argument longer to devolve into calling each other nazis. Anyway since you asked, while he is generally more logical than most, he does come off as a pretentious twat who twists his own words just so he could say 'I'm right and you are wrong'. Sure he is no Pyromancer but during his streams he does sure love to trigger people on purpose just so that he could argue with them and flaunt his supposed superiority,

[Joszef Kiprich]

Blizzard does know the numbers to be fair. Would love to know what % of Horde players who completed the questlines were Loyalists.

I was responding to that Void elf simp.

[Jekyll]

Normally it takes an argument longer to devolve into calling each other nazis. Anyway since you asked, while he is generally more logical than most, he does come off as a pretentious twat who twists his own words just so he could say 'I'm right and you are wrong'. Sure he is no Pyromancer but during his streams he does sure love to trigger people on purpose just so that he could argue with them and flaunt his supposed superiority,

can you give example of how he is being pretentious or trying to trigger people? And does this means you like the Quartering?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I can't believe I am saying this, but Taliesin does bring up an excellent point in his new video. According to new sources, the Titans imprisoned five Old Gods. That number is important not only because we only know four by name (G'huun not included), but because technically only three were imprisoned. Y'shaarj was squished and while his body parts were hidden, he might not qualify as imprisoned. So we might be looking at six Old Gods (plus G'huun) on Azeroth.

Is the “new” source that book from Warcraft 3/classic that they copied and then had some one in universe scribble in?

If it’s just that it’s seem unlikely there will be any actual influence of an old retconned book just because it says five and because it’s technically in universe there’s no reason to think who ever wrote it actually had first hand information and would think G’hunn wasn’t an actual old god or know Y’shaarj got killed leading to them likely being part of the five.

[meheez]

The Emerald Dream.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I can't believe I am saying this, but Taliesin does bring up an excellent point in his new video. According to new sources, the Titans imprisoned five Old Gods. That number is important not only because we only know four by name (G'huun not included), but because technically only three were imprisoned. Y'shaarj was squished and while his body parts were hidden, he might not qualify as imprisoned. So we might be looking at six Old Gods (plus G'huun) on Azeroth.

Huh, good point. With Y'Shaarj dead and Xal'Atath potentially eaten, there's room for two Old Gods we haven't met yet. The only issue with that is that we've already seen their territory established in Chronicles, with no room for any others—then again, this is Blizzard, and "past lore is constraining" on Danuser's wild ride. Alternatively, they could have been off the main continent. Maybe they're in Avaloren?

Then again, the text is supposed to be flawed and evidently biased in-universe, so this may just be a red herring.

[Wangming]

Is the “new” source that book from Warcraft 3/classic that they copied and then had some one in universe scribble in?

If it’s just that it’s seem unlikely there will be any actual influence of an old retconned book just because it says five and because it’s technically in universe there’s no reason to think who ever wrote it actually had first hand information and would think G’hunn wasn’t an actual old god or know Y’shaarj got killed leading to them likely being part of the five.

Yeah that is the one. The thing is, as the video points out, the annotations take great pleasure in correcting the titans whenever they make a mistake. But they don't correct the number of imprisoned Old Gods even though the POV is working for them.

Huh, good point. With Y'Shaarj dead and Xal'Atath potentially eaten, there's room for two Old Gods we haven't met yet. The only issue with that is that we've already seen their territory established in Chronicles, with no room for any others—then again, this is Blizzard, and "past lore is constraining" on Danuser's wild ride. Alternatively, they could have been off the main continent. Maybe they're in Avaloren?

Then again, the text is supposed to be flawed and evidently biased in-universe, so this may just be a red herring.

Yes, pretty much. The book even says that the Titans just swept things that couldn't be ordered, under the rug. The Chronicle is Titan lore and open for interpretation. This lead to some weird theories over the years, like Pyromancer's claim that the Titans are the actual Void Lords.

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can you give example of how he is being pretentious or trying to trigger people? And does this means you like the Quartering?

Believe it or not, I haven't even heard of the Quartering before you brought it up. But keep being judgemetnal, dude. Real classy.
Now I don't watch much of his streams, because all the petty arguments for no reason irk, me, but one i clearly remember was during his Shadowbringer playthrough.
TL;DR quick paraphrased version.
Taly: I hate this guy so much.
Chat: Why? He is such a well-written character.
Taly: Ahh you dumb people don't understand. When I say I hate him, I clearly mean I like him, but my character has no reason to like him. Haha, fools.

He also seems to be inconsistent when complaining about overly sexualized characters or races. The same thing can be just simply sexy in one race, but overly sexualized in others.

[Nymrohd]

I mean they DID imprison Y'shaarj. They imprisoned his heart. Which still leaves one Old God if we are not counting G'huun.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Is the “new” source that book from Warcraft 3/classic that they copied and then had some one in universe scribble in?

If it’s just that it’s seem unlikely there will be any actual influence of an old retconned book just because it says five and because it’s technically in universe there’s no reason to think who ever wrote it actually had first hand information and would think G’hunn wasn’t an actual old god or know Y’shaarj got killed leading to them likely being part of the five.

It seems possible, and I don't think Ghuun was an actual Old God but we'll have to see whats really going on in the underground zone.

[Sondrelk]

It's highly unlikely to be a lot.

Not a lot of people pick the bad guy options in games.
Like how in Mass Effect over 90% of players picked Paragon options instead of Renegade.

I imagine the choices in WoW are inflated toward being even, simply because many players likely have an alt go the alternate route to see what happens.

[huth]

Yeah that is the one. The thing is, as the video points out, the annotations take great pleasure in correcting the titans whenever they make a mistake. But they don't correct the number of imprisoned Old Gods even though the POV is working for them.

Confidence isn't correctness. Just because he believed to know better doesn't mean he did.

[Makabreska]

Can we stop pretending every single Horde player wasn't okay with that?
Almost everybody I played with back then either didn't care, or enjoyed it and played along with it.

I didn't pick Forsaken as my first race to invest into because I enjoyed being a "good guy".
People enjoy playing villains, and the factions - both of them - are allowed to do war things in a war IP.

So like, they enjoyed playing a faction that did Teldrassil BBQ Event? I remember their fuming and outrage here veeeery differently, along with some epic meltdowns and Olympic levels of mental gymnastics from few notorious Horde defenders.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Yeah that is the one. The thing is, as the video points out, the annotations take great pleasure in correcting the titans whenever they make a mistake. But they don't correct the number of imprisoned Old Gods even though the POV is working for them.

This book as far as we know isn’t written by the titans and as we know from Chronicles which is there perspective they only egknowledged 4 old gods so even if they were trying to correct the titans at every turn they would have no reason to touch the number.

And if we are to assume the original book in IF was written by an mortal then 5 fits perfectly if you put in G’hunn and who ever is correcting it could just not know G’hunn isn’t a real old god like who ever originally wrote it.

[Jekyll]

Yeah that is the one. The thing is, as the video points out, the annotations take great pleasure in correcting the titans whenever they make a mistake. But they don't correct the number of imprisoned Old Gods even though the POV is working for them.



Yes, pretty much. The book even says that the Titans just swept things that couldn't be ordered, under the rug. The Chronicle is Titan lore and open for interpretation. This lead to some weird theories over the years, like Pyromancer's claim that the Titans are the actual Void Lords.

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Believe it or not, I haven't even heard of the Quartering before you brought it up. But keep being judgemetnal, dude. Real classy.
Now I don't watch much of his streams, because all the petty arguments for no reason irk, me, but one i clearly remember was during his Shadowbringer playthrough.
TL;DR quick paraphrased version.
Taly: I hate this guy so much.
Chat: Why? He is such a well-written character.
Taly: Ahh you dumb people don't understand. When I say I hate him, I clearly mean I like him, but my character has no reason to like him. Haha, fools.

He also seems to be inconsistent when complaining about overly sexualized characters or races. The same thing can be just simply sexy in one race, but overly sexualized in others.

please calm down, i wasn;t being judgemental, that was just a question because I was curious but I guess you needed to get triggered and have a persecution fetish You still didn't deny you favor denied you favor nazi-centric content no judgement here