The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[PotHockets]

I have to say that the Scaleborn book being primarily about Northrend is a little odd when you pair it with the theory that the Algarians are the Frostborn.

And even MORE odd when you consider the theory that the green glow on the datamined gryphon is Saronite.

It would be an honestly bizarre choice, but maybe there's some kind of Northrend thing going on? It would match with both those things, the Storm theme (storm peaks), the Keeper plot (ulduar) and even the updated boats (including the human Wrath boat).

Also Stormwind, Amirdrassil and Quelthalas (all the updated boats) would all fit as ports to travel there. Maybe Lordaeron too? Gilneas?

Also, Tuskarr.... and Dragons too. Shit.

It would also match the pattern of something being seeded two expansions early because of all the info we got during SL about the scourge now running rampant

[Cheezits]

Kind of works with the idea that Elun'ahir could have possibly been in Sholazar Basin. Maybe a 2 (3ish) continent plot, Silithus, the sword, lower Kalimdor and Northrend, Quel'thalas, upper EK.

Or Avaloren lol

It sounds a lot more like Warlords of Northrend to me. Hell, even the Vrykul got a nod this expansion (via Tyr).

It would explain why there are some revamp assets but not the full extent: because there are human buildings on Northrend.

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It would also match the pattern of something being seeded two expansions early because of all the info we got during SL about the scourge now running rampant

I think the Scourge plot was resolved? But I'm not sure if that was confirmed or not.

[Izalla]

My gut feeling agrees with that, I've messed around with it a little and it's very clear that albeit it still requires some kind of "airlock" (which is what they call the tech) to hide transitions, it could most definitely be applied elsewhere.

It's not tied to Zaralek at all on the client and instead comes from the server telling the client to go into low-view distance mode and to preload a piece of map (probably when the server sees you halfway the tunnel) and then sometime after doing a seamless teleport to that map.

Counter point is that the the current implementation feels like an early one/experiment as there's still several issues with the system that haven't been fixed since its release. Whether or not that points to it being a one-off or to them not wanting to backport fixes from the 11.0 branch for whatever reason remains to be seen, but I feel like we'll see the tech in some form again soon.

So weird thing I noticed in the "airlock" that maybe you can explain to me... I wasn't paying attention while going through the tunnel once and crashed and lost all my momentum and had to run on the ground the rest of the way, and no vigor recharged until I actually left the tunnel and reached Zaralek. Any idea what's up with that? I've only had to run on foot once so I don't know if that always happens or if it was a one time bug.

[PotHockets]

I think the Scourge plot was resolved? But I'm not sure if that was confirmed or not.

Maybe if they did it out of game? but the last we saw in game is that Lakeshire was destroyed and that the scourge are still heading south iirc

[Marlamin]

So weird thing I noticed in the "airlock" that maybe you can explain to me... I wasn't paying attention while going through the tunnel once and crashed and lost all my momentum and had to run on the ground the rest of the way, and no vigor recharged until I actually left the tunnel and reached Zaralek. Any idea what's up with that? I've only had to run on foot once so I don't know if that always happens or if it was a one time bug.

Not sure, there's various bugs with the system still so good chance it was one of those. There's a particularly nasty bug where the server forgets to tell the client it got teleported so you get stuck in place and the client just breaks very badly and spells disappear when you hover over them. Considering how weird that one makes the client behave, I wouldn't be surprised if not recharging vigor is one of those kind of bugs.

[Valysar]

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Ah yes, indeed, good catch

[Ferlion]

Maybe if they did it out of game? but the last we saw in game is that Lakeshire was destroyed and that the scourge are still heading south iirc

It's implied the Alliance and Horde teamed up and fought a war while we were in Shadowlands. There are a Horde and Alliance commander (same ones from the new opening zone) who mention fighting together in the Scourge war or something along those lines. You can talk to them/do the quest that mentions it in Waking Shores.

[Cheezits]

It's implied the Alliance and Horde teamed up and fought a war while we were in Shadowlands. There are a Horde and Alliance commander (same ones from the new opening zone) who mention fighting together in the Scourge war or something along those lines. You can talk to them/do the quest that mentions it in Waking Shores.

It would be absolutely unhinged if they did an expansion pre-timeskip covering what happened in Northrend during the events of Shadowlands and beyond.

[Revamp Man]

Ok so the blizzcon set looks like at the very least we get some earth stuff

The one platform looked waaaaaayyyyyyy too SL for me but could be a titan style Decoration as well

[ZyntosAran]

Ok so the blizzcon set looks like at the very least we get some earth stuff

The one platform looked waaaaaayyyyyyy too SL for me but could be a titan style Decoration as well

can we stop reading into the blizzcon set?
Its confirmed 1 to 1 parts of the bronze temple.

[Izalla]

Kind of works with the idea that Elun'ahir could have possibly been in Sholazar Basin. Maybe a 2 (3ish) continent plot, Silithus, the sword, lower Kalimdor and Northrend, Quel'thalas, upper EK.

Or Avaloren lol

Is there any reason people are suggesting Sholazar besides jumping from "it could be Un'Goro and Sholazar is similar to Un'Goro so Sholazar is just as likely"? Because the only reason Un'Goro was suggested was because there is actually a corrupted World Tree there in the Nightmare that doesn't exist in our reality. I don't see how Sholazar relates to or matters for that theory at all.

[flan1337]

Ok so the blizzcon set looks like at the very least we get some earth stuff

The one platform looked waaaaaayyyyyyy too SL for me but could be a titan style Decoration as well

we already know its based on the corridor of time which is one the blizzcon map. Its basically bronze dragon themed, its a copy of whats ingame.

[Izalla]

Not sure, there's various bugs with the system still so good chance it was one of those. There's a particularly nasty bug where the server forgets to tell the client it got teleported so you get stuck in place and the client just breaks very badly and spells disappear when you hover over them. Considering how weird that one makes the client behave, I wouldn't be surprised if not recharging vigor is one of those kind of bugs.

Oh shit I'm glad that's not the bug I encountered hahaha

[Azalar]

Is there any reason people are suggesting Sholazar besides jumping from "it could be Un'Goro and Sholazar is similar to Un'Goro so Sholazar is just as likely"? Because the only reason Un'Goro was suggested was because there is actually a corrupted World Tree there in the Nightmare that doesn't exist in our reality. I don't see how Sholazar relates to or matters for that theory at all.

The coincidences point too hard towards Un'goro to even consider Elun'ahir to have been planted in Sholazar. Even more so when Vordrassil was already in Grizzly Hills.

[Sondrelk]

The coincidences point too hard towards Un'goro to even consider Elun'ahir to have been planted in Sholazar. Even more so when Vordrassil was already in Grizzly Hills.

What coincidences? That it's a crater?

Scholazar is also a crater, has rivers feeding into the middle, and is overseen by Freya as commanded by Eonar.

If anything Un'goro is the one that is a reach.

[Woggmer]

Dunno, time traveling orcs sounds like a stupid dumb idea to me if I am being honest. Didn't like the plot of it at all.

The early concept of WoD would've probably got us closer to Shadowlands than anything else.

The first concept was having Garrosh steal some artifact and ends up in Outland, where he uses his said artifact to bring back the dead warchiefs of the Old Horde as part of some undead army.

They went the Draenor route because it is something we've never seen before as to what Draenor (could've) looked like and have further exploration despite being on a separate timeline from our own.

So it was either Time Traveling Orcs or Angry Orc Spirits... and possibly having Garrosh slowly take Sylvanas's spot. (This is why in the War Crimes novel, when he talks with Anduin, he saw himself as another Arthas.)

[PotHockets]

It's implied the Alliance and Horde teamed up and fought a war while we were in Shadowlands. There are a Horde and Alliance commander (same ones from the new opening zone) who mention fighting together in the Scourge war or something along those lines. You can talk to them/do the quest that mentions it in Waking Shores.

Is that not just referring to the fight against Arthas the first time around? If they just said fuck it and resolved that off screen though that would be one of the bigger "holy shit what is wrong with you" story moments through out all of WoW to me.

[Ersula]

Is there any reason people are suggesting Sholazar besides jumping from "it could be Un'Goro and Sholazar is similar to Un'Goro so Sholazar is just as likely"? Because the only reason Un'Goro was suggested was because there is actually a corrupted World Tree there in the Nightmare that doesn't exist in our reality. I don't see how Sholazar relates to or matters for that theory at all.

Elun'ahir is undoubtedly somewhere we haven't been yet. And contextually it was the first world tree on Azeroth. People are saying Sholazar & Ungoro simply because they're lush with flora, but that's not how world trees work; an area doesn't need a world tree to have dense natural plantlife, just look at Draenor.

[Azalar]

What coincidences? That it's a crater?

Scholazar is also a crater, has rivers feeding into the middle, and is overseen by Freya as commanded by Eonar.

If anything Un'goro is the one that is a reach.

Welp, you have a series of arguments in favor of Un'goro being Elun'ahir:

- You have a quite big titan portal that connects Sholazar to Un'goro.
- Il'gynoth is inside a withered world tree in the Emerald Nightmare, which is in Un'goro.
- Freya wouldn't want to plant the rogue seed near Ulduar, she'd want to plant it far from the other watchers.
- When Aman'thul found about Elun'ahir, and rooted it out, it likely caused the eruption of the volcano in Un'goro.
- This story written by Prophet Skeram that can be found ingame:

The war continued but the will of the great leader was sapped. The whole of Silithus was soon engulfed by the Silithid and their Qiraji hosts. The Night Elf army was pushed back through Un'Goro, to the borders of the Tanaris desert. Something in Un'Goro prevented the Qiraji from being able to take the land. I do not quite understand this word but I believe it to mean 'God Lands.' It is stated that they could not 'take the God Lands.' This coincides with theories of Un'Goro being the home of the Titans when they inhabited Kalimdor. Perhaps Aman'thul himself watched over 'The God Lands.'

[seainma]

Elun'ahir is undoubtedly somewhere we haven't been yet. And contextually it was the first world tree on Azeroth. People are saying Sholazar & Ungoro simply because they're lush with flora, but that's not how world trees work; an area doesn't need a world tree to have dense natural plantlife, just look at Draenor.

I feel like Un'goro is pretty likely.. Correct me if I'm wrong but in the Emerald Nightmare there was a nightmare world tree with Il'gynoth in Ungoro crater right?