The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Marlamin]

Have you seen the Triceratops before? I tried to find anything similar to no avail so now Im curious if that's a reused asset that just isnt something you would find easily outside of datamining or not.

I haven't, no, but the official pet version model name is TitanUtopiaPet and if you were to describe a creature from/an area being a "Titan Utopia" to me, this would definitely fit the bill.

[PotHockets]

I haven't, no, but the official pet version model name is TitanUtopiaPet and if you were to describe a creature from/an area being a "Titan Utopia" to me, this would definitely fit the bill.

Oooh that's spicy

[Hitei]

You reckon? One of the maybe three things that we know about the place is that there were Keepers there. There are just also "heretics" who committed "crimes" against the Keepers. The heretics could be Keepers themselves.

Shrug. Odyn seems to have specifically been unable to access it no matter how hard he tried. If Erinethria's story is about the same place, Tyr also seemed to consider that region beyond hope. If Khaz Algar is there, it's someplace that was an unnamed sector rather than a titan installation.

If the heretics were other keepers, it'd be weird for Odyn to be sending expeditions of run of the mill watchers or titanforged to apprehend them, because how are they gonna stand up to multiple keepers? If they're not keepers I think the implication of what they did to Innaria and the others is that they are anti-keeper/titan. Even if they were keepers, if they're heretical it means they're probably acting against standard Titan/Keeper protocol.

So I wouldn't expect to find a very Titan continent. Especially after DF leaned heavily towards that aesthetic and sector. It feels like we're gearing up for Elune/Life stuff, what with the tree and the green dragons and the increased prevalence of her

[Ferlion]

It was discussed and debunked and then discussed again and debunked some more. I'm personally doubting it myself at the moment after seeing the leaked zone screenshots (which seem real to me). A world revamp expansion does not seem likely at this stage, although there may still be a partial one.

I'd repoint out that with the reusing of the goliath ogren looking thing in the website leak, even if you discount the other things that seem off about the website, there is still the glaring issue of said website being written using British English and not American English. Which yeah, I admit, it could technically get through. But the keyboard in the picture is a US mac, so. Not that, again, someone couldn't be a transplant and moved. But auto correct and such would be keyed to the US.

[Hitei]

I haven't, no, but the official pet version model name is TitanUtopiaPet and if you were to describe a creature from/an area being a "Titan Utopia" to me, this would definitely fit the bill.

Did you see my question about the wood dragon?

[Selorian]

I haven't, no, but the official pet version model name is TitanUtopiaPet and if you were to describe a creature from/an area being a "Titan Utopia" to me, this would definitely fit the bill.

The battle pet is from the Ulderoth vendor, which is the titan utopia time rift. Is the big guy's model already used?

[Marlamin]

The battle pet is from the Ulderoth vendor, which is the titan utopia time rift. Is the big guy's model already used?

Yeah, just saying there's a lot of thematical similarity between Ulderoth and that zone and it's not impossible one of them came before the other and we're just seeing it released the other way around. Big guy doesn't exist yet to my knowledge.

Furthermore, there are 4 color variations of the pet in the game files but only the green one is used for the Briarhorn Hatchling, granted it is pretty normal for them to make various recolors of pets that will go unused, but it's something.

[Vakir]

Based on common sense. We literally see a still from each of the four zones.

Since it's not a definite it's connected to the "mobile site ready" bit, even with the blurry and tiny ogre-looking fella in the background that may only seem to be from it, it's not even confirmed to be from 4 zones. Hell, even with that, it's not a definite it's across the 3 zones listed on that other image. These could theoretically all be from 2 zones, honestly, with some biome divisions. Way less likely, but more likely to be perhaps 3, at the least amount.

Whomever the original leaker was, whether it is this guy or somebody who gave him the image files, had access to the full trailer.

And if someone had access, didn't give all of it to a second person, and that second person sent it to a third one? A game of telephone, as it tends to be with these sorts of things?

You realize with a lot of internal materials, there's also the common element of watermarking certain things or finding other identifying information to out someone who doesn't rightfully distribute it, right?

If they could, the reasonable thing would be to grab stills that unequivocally show something new and high quality, increasing the merit of your leak.

And if the original person, who may not even be the one posting it, didn't care about the merit of the leak? Or valued their job more?

Or hell - even subjectively thought this was cool stuff, even if it's disappointing to you and me?

"Common sense" is vague enough to turn it into whatever gymnastics you want. I acknowledge there's a good chance it's fake - possibly a higher chance. For your part, picture the opposite hypothetical. It's real and this was what was shown. Would it genuinely blow your mind and upend all of logic and sense, or is it possible that's just how things panned out?

Since the person didn't do that, and instead showcased four generic and bland landscapes, the reasonable explanation is that he made them himself, and that this was the easiest material to produce.

There's also the bitter pill to potentially swallow - that there's potentially some generic-ass stuff in Avaloren.

But again, there's many, many other examples where something would imply access to all materials but they didn't distribute all of them.

Again - for example, the Dracthyr flame breath and customization shot was ripped directly from the reveal stream, the latter even at the same resolution. But they were some of the absolute weakest material available, but Scaleface only gave that much. Why? Because sometimes the "common sense" of having the entire cake just because you want it isn't actually of sense.

[Harbour]

Someone just made a thread about potential 11.0 zones

Azure Span/Tiragarde Sound/Grizzly Hills/Stormehim clone
Frostfire Ridge clone
Two Gorgrond literal copypastes.

This has to be it guys and gals.
Also i say what i think - if that the best pics they chose for preview, they have a problems. Pics look uninspiring as hell.

[Marlamin]

Did you see my question about the wood dragon?

Nope, but have now.

Unknown A (2) is probably the dragon right? The lunar wood dragon looks like it's a modified slitherdrake, if we assume it's a dragonriding capable mount because of that, it'd fit as being a not-11.0 mount that's dragonriding capable.

It's possible, the model might be unique enough to not have any common file usages between it and the Slitherdrake outside of the rig, which doesn't really show up on the client as shared files. I can't say I've looked super deeply at that mount specifically, so I don't have any information going either way.

[Hitei]

Nope, but have now.

It's possible, the model might be unique enough to not have any common file usages between it and the Slitherdrake outside of the rig, which doesn't really show up on the client as shared files. I can't say I've looked super deeply at that mount specifically, so I don't have any information going either way.

I see. I appreciate the opinion either way. Just trying to mentally tick off boxes for what is probably what.

[Viridiel]

I'd be pretty OK with four somewhat generic but still interesting zones if it were accompanied by a partial world revamp. We know that a world revamp is a huge job and will come at a cost.

[Nyel]

I really hope this leak isn’t it, because this is giving nothing visually. Shadowlands might have been a fluke, but at least it was a different setting. Imagine BfA > Dragon Isles > Avaloren, it would have been three times an almost identical new continent that surprisingly looks exactly like all the others before.

[Aradur]

I'd be pretty OK with four somewhat generic but still interesting zones if it were accompanied by a partial world revamp. We know that a world revamp is a huge job and will come at a cost.

Give it up. It’s pretty much certain now we get another „island zones“ expansion like every fucking time.

[Raetary]

It's pretty disappointing really.

Nothing stands out in those screenshots.
Even the dwarf look just like a taller Frostborn.

[Ferlion]

I really hope this leak isn’t it, because this is giving nothing visually. Shadowlands might have been a fluke, but at least it was a different setting. Imagine BfA > Dragon Isles > Avaloren, it would have been three times an almost identical new continent that surprisingly looks exactly like all the others before.

Ehh. I don't really think that's so bad. But we definitely need some different biomes. Give us a swamp.

[justwatching]

Man these last few pages remind me of the ones after the Dracthyr leak...

[Makorus]

Yup. After over 15 years, there's just no getting away from the fact that people will never learn fucking anything.

"Hey guys, there's a listing in Leipzig Gaming Convention confirming Wrath of the Lich King."
"Ugh, fake. Arthas is a God, we can't possibly fight him."



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In what way is your scenario remotely similar?

Imagine if someone got a hold of the Legion Features trailer back in the day. Do you really think they would post a screenshot like this over, I don't know, the Ashbringer customization screen or the DH splash screen?



You think someone would risk their job to leak the most mundane screenshot ever when we know they have access to more?

[Samin]

I'd be pretty OK with four somewhat generic but still interesting zones if it were accompanied by a partial world revamp. We know that a world revamp is a huge job and will come at a cost.

Unless by partial world revamp you mean "update 1 zone, like Arathi in BfA" that's just not going to happen. Because yes, it's a lot of work, not something you do on the side while creating a full other expansion of content.

If the zone preview is fake, I really hope the creator will share some "making of" details.

[Vakir]

Give it up. It’s pretty much certain now we get another „island zones“ expansion like every fucking time.

"In addition to this starting zone, which we will repurpose as an endgame area in 11.07, we have 4 zones, as you have come to expect in a World of Warcraft expansion, in the mysterious continent of Avaloren! Which conveniently is shaped for maximum travel ergonomics and has convenient splitting points despite being an alleged continent."

(Kind of like how it turns out Draenor was torn apart in an almost an identical shape to Outland, like a fucking Looney Tune leaving an exact outline of themselves when crashing through a wall. )

"Next time for sure, guys!"

You think someone would risk their job to leak the most mundane screenshot ever when we know they have access to more?

I'm saying the gymnastics people go through because they perceive disappointment will always overtake the very real possibility of something that goes outside of their expectations.

There can be a dozen fucking reasons. Up to and including that, again, it's only a presumption they have all of the information like this hypothetical Legion leaker. Or were willing to share it between what could've been half a dozen passings around.

Whoever the hell leaked the Alex poster and DF logo could easily get their ass canned so, so fast even if they were some janitor at wherever the press materials were being printed, but they still chose to take a potato picture.