The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hitei]

I hope not. I dont need Outkast stuck in my head for two years straight.

Stankonia is a great album though.

[huth]

I'm doing it now. They equate being "honorbound" with "mean Mr. Odyn says I have to follow his rules but I don't wanna" and give 6 dialogue options about going to confront Odyn, none of which takes his side.

I don't see why anybody would want to take that pompous jerk's side, but then again, some people were crazy enough to follow Sylvanas in BfA.

[NikolaiShade]

Oh yeah we're killing Odyn 100%.

So Im thinking we get Khaz Algar pretty clearly and the expansion theme is going to be a Keeper civil war. Then probably dwarves discovering some long lost secret because of some long lost quasi-relatives.

If we get Khaz algar and avaloren, my idea is we seek the help of the algarians to reach avaloren and get an edge in the war against odyn

What really puzzles me is how this theoretical keeper civil war should start

[FelPlague]

that leak reminds me of the original expansion leak list anytime I see K'aresh mentioned.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards...craft/72430500

That was hilrioualy fake. I love the confusion too. *Dranei from xoroth"
"No dreadsteeds."
"Oh you right, dreadlords from xoroth."

[Hitei]

If we get Khaz algar and avaloren, my idea is we seek the help of the algarians to reach avaloren and get an edge in the war against odyn

Why would we need an edge? He's a keeper, which we've beaten plenty of and his armies are the Valarjar, who are sort of a joke.

[PotHockets]

Stankonia is a great album though.

Hell yeah it is, although I'm more of a Speakerboxxx/The Love Below kinda person.

[Ersula]

If we get Khaz algar and avaloren, my idea is we seek the help of the algarians to reach avaloren and get an edge in the war against odyn

There's really no reason to kill him: He's currently trapped in a pocket dimension prison of his own indirect, ironic creation. I even suspect he was lying about the Heretics of Avaloren because he was simply trying to trick his fellow keepers into freeing him.

[FossilFree]

Arcane magic is within the realm of Order. Not all Order magic is Arcane.

Death magic isn't all Maldraxxian Necromancy, either.

That analogy only works if the order magic is simply colored yellow, with a visual similarity to holy, but not actually holy. But the spells titan watchers use specifically say holy in them.

So either order is in cahoots with light, or the cosmic forces have no real meaning. Might as well have the Legion casting druid spells, springing life up everywhere if that is the case. Sounds terrible imo.

[Woggmer]

Thank you!! I could not see it in the mobile version but it was in the PC version of the website. I think that it would be a very interesting book, cannot wait to read it.

The way in which they are writing Vyranoth gives me hope for her future treason.

There's no way she's gonna betray us... especially considering that Wowhead found the datamining that she'll get glowing eyes like the other aspects when they get their power back.

And even if Blizzard are going for that outcome, there's probably going to be a group of players that actually preferred Vyranoth to be a good guy, and seeing her be evil would feel like it'll ruin her character. (Personally, I'm whatever about it because we probably won't see Vyranoth after DF is over, regardless if she goes full treason or not.)

[Grazrug]

We had enough alliance themes. Let other races shine in the next expansion.

[matijwow]

I don't see why anybody would want to take that pompous jerk's side, but then again, some people were crazy enough to follow Sylvanas in BfA.

They're railroading. I love Odyn but in RPG writing, to not have even the expression of an obvious option is terrible. All the warriors were allied with Odyn during Legion. They wouldn't have done that if Odyn was completely unlikeable. The options of dialogue for your character to say to Vyranoth when she says it's time to pay Odyn a visit are:
-If you're certain...
-I see...
-You have no idea how long I have been waiting to punch Odyn in the face.
-I just want to get some loot, lady.
-I know Odyn personally... we should be careful.
-I know Odyn personally. I cannot WAIT to punch him.

[Merryck]

I'm doing it now. They equate being "honorbound" with "mean Mr. Odyn says I have to follow his rules but I don't wanna" and give 6 dialogue options about going to confront Odyn, none of which takes his side.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Thorignir

Why is it written like this? Why are all the dialogue options so cringe?

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They're railroading. I love Odyn but in RPG writing, to not have even the expression of an obvious option is terrible. All the warriors were allied with Odyn during Legion. They wouldn't have done that if Odyn was completely unlikeable. The options of dialogue for your character to say to Vyranoth when she says it's time to pay Odyn a visit are:
-If you're certain...
-I see...
-You have no idea how long I have been waiting to punch Odyn in the face.
-I just want to get some loot, lady.
-I know Odyn personally... we should be careful.
-I know Odyn personally. I cannot WAIT to punch him.

By the makers.

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Holy titans why are they so much worse in game?

[huth]

There's really no reason to kill him: He's currently trapped in a pocket dimension prison of his own indirect, ironic creation. I even suspect he was lying about the Heretics of Avaloren because he was simply trying to trick his fellow keepers into freeing him.

Except that ended when we beat up Helya in Legion. He's not been locked up for years.

That analogy only works if the order magic is simply colored yellow, with a visual similarity to holy, but not actually holy. But the spells titan watchers use specifically say holy in them.

So either order is in cahoots with light, or the cosmic forces have no real meaning. Might as well have the Legion casting druid spells, springing life up everywhere if that is the case. Sounds terrible imo.

Only if you assume that 1) holy = Light, which it doesn't and 2) that that's the only other Order magic aside from Arcane, which is just plain wrong. Damage schools are only losely related to the cosmic forces at best, and mostly completely independent of them.

They're railroading. I love Odyn but in RPG writing, to not have even the expression of an obvious option is terrible. All the warriors were allied with Odyn during Legion. They wouldn't have done that if Odyn was completely unlikeable. The options of dialogue for your character to say to Vyranoth when she says it's time to pay Odyn a visit are:
-If you're certain...
-I see...
-You have no idea how long I have been waiting to punch Odyn in the face.
-I just want to get some loot, lady.
-I know Odyn personally... we should be careful.
-I know Odyn personally. I cannot WAIT to punch him.

We never had any real lore choices in WoW in the first place, so i'm not sure why you suddenly consider this to be a problem. WoW is a linear non-branching story. Kinda has to be, for practical reasons.

[ChronoSul]

There's really no reason to kill him: He's currently trapped in a pocket dimension prison of his own indirect, ironic creation. I even suspect he was lying about the Heretics of Avaloren because he was simply trying to trick his fellow keepers into freeing him.

He hasnt been trapped since legion tho

[Woggmer]

They're railroading. I love Odyn but in RPG writing, to not have even the expression of an obvious option is terrible. All the warriors were allied with Odyn during Legion. They wouldn't have done that if Odyn was completely unlikeable. The options of dialogue for your character to say to Vyranoth when she says it's time to pay Odyn a visit are:
-If you're certain...
-I see...
-You have no idea how long I have been waiting to punch Odyn in the face.
-I just want to get some loot, lady.
-I know Odyn personally... we should be careful.
-I know Odyn personally. I cannot WAIT to punch him.

See, stuff like this makes me wonder if DF's story only makes sense if you're playing as an Evoker.

[Nymrohd]

I can see them adapting advanced flying to work underwater, swimming is basically flying already anyways. Cool idea.

How does it work graphically though? Aquatic creatures do not face the same constant downward drift, they do not have wings, they would not whirl to surge forward, they would look so unnatural at dragonriding speeds because you just cannot move that fast with water resistance.

[Catastrophy349]

We're going to the Storming Lands, y'all.

[Hitei]

How does it work graphically though? Aquatic creatures do not face the same constant downward drift, they do not have wings, they would not whirl to surge forward, they would look so unnatural at dragonriding speeds because you just cannot move that fast with water resistance.

Doesn't need the downward drift aspect. You can just keep the momentum aspects and add in a new dive as the counterpart to ascend.

Also things move fast in the water all the time. Marlin can reach 80mph(132kmh). Nothing will look weird about moving under water as long as the animations communicate the motions and there are effects to compliment.

[Marlamin]

How does it work graphically though? Aquatic creatures do not face the same constant downward drift, they do not have wings, they would not whirl to surge forward, they would look so unnatural at dragonriding speeds because you just cannot move that fast with water resistance.

Almost all the physics variables, spells, animations and such that make up the dragonriding are tunable by the server on a per-mount/ability/area basis (or at any time, really). I've messed around with almost all of these and I would not be surprised if they can get it to a place where it feels natural underwater. It is a very different environment, but it could work.

[flan1337]

https://i.imgur.com/5XSMr7E.jpg

Yo does anyone have the blizzcon app from 2019 still someone on FB said it was updated this week and showing a schedule - which is most likely outdated as it seems to be the 2019 one but still interesting.