The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[NikolaiShade]

And the importance of the ongoing events. Some expansions had an impact, others didn’t. Expansions like WoD and Shadowlands didn’t contribute anything or helped improving the overall perception of the World of Warcraft. For the greater context you could remove them from the expansion list and not much would happen as their impact is so meaningless. We don’t know where Dragonflight is aiming at, but right now it’s definitely more on the side of WoD and Shadowlands than it is on the side of something world-shaping like Cataclysm or Legion.

So even if those expansions felt similar to the ones before (we really cannot count Legion here as it introduced so many new things that are to this day part of the game), their overall lasting impression on the universe was way bigger.

Although I agree with you, it's all really subjective. When you talk about lasting impacts do you mean story-wise, in that sense for better or for worse SL and WoD become more relevant, from the gameplay side I could argue all expacks had an impact, except for WoD maybe. But even WoD added some feature we have today.

Edit: and indeed we don't know where DF is going so we can speculate all we want, but if Blizz decides a meteorite strikes azeroth and we must resettle to Avaloren then my kudos to whoever could figure that out

[M1dkn1ght]

It rather shows how Blizzard has constantly lowered the bar and the expectations of what Blizzard can and will deliver of players has plummeted accordingly.

You act like Dragonflight was not a massive improvement to the game... removal of borrowed power systems, better patch cadence, listening to feedback. WoW is not as bad as you make it out to be.

[Yarathir]

Avaloren/Khaz Algar is just an excuse for Blizzard to add more dwarf lore/zones to the game. Of course they will have the same iconography, they also have gryphon riders and they named their home turf Khaz Algar (pretty similar to Khaz Modan). Blizzard is just trying to get ahead of the lore nerds who will point out how none of it makes any sense.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Them reusing a gryphon statue isn't necessarily a debunk in and of itself considering all the gryphon rider mumbo jumbo we've already heard about and seen.

[Teriz]

That is true. You know that if the picture of Undermine(?) were posted here after cropping out the chat window, certain posters would swear up and down it’s so legit.

Please keep in mind, I’m not saying these are fake, I’m saying if these are real, it’s a bad sign for the next expansion, because it looks like a lazy retread.

And yeah I’d be much more interested in seeing underground zones because it’d be something different.

[Nyel]

Although I agree with you, it's all really subjective. When you talk about lasting impacts do you mean story-wise, in that sense for better or for worse SL and WoD become more relevant, from the gameplay side I could argue all expacks had an impact, except for WoD maybe. But even WoD added some feature we have today.

Just story-wise, not in regards to any gameplay they added.

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You act like Dragonflight was not a massive improvement to the game... removal of borrowed power systems, better patch cadence, listening to feedback. WoW is not as bad as you make it out to be.

When your last two expansions have been lows for your franchise, being a massive improvement is less spectacular than it sounds. Why compare it to the lows when we can and should compare it to the highs? And in that regard Dragonflight is at best middle of the road. At best.

[Cheezits]

So either the person who made the website leak made these as well, or both are real?

If the person is a very good modeler I can see them being the creator of the new models.

[huth]

He has given us another acronym! To your stations!

World of Warcraft: Dead on Arrival.

We're going back to the Shadowlands.

[Pheraz]

The more I look at that storm d0rf the more I think it is real....
Those arms evenly becoming those fist weapons looks very well made.
The blur on the outlines everywhere but the d0rf certainly comes from the camera moving around with the d0rf being the center I guess.

[Nebron]

I think Shadowlands, and definitely Zereth Mortis might be the first original locations to WoW.

I believe Shadowlands was mentioned before, but they re-imagined it to fit as an expansion, but yeah, Zereth Mortis is totally new one, yet it's still a single zone.
Avaloren seems to be a brand-new continent that has a variety of biomes in it. Interesting, altough the images don't look so exciting to me

[NikolaiShade]

Just story-wise, not in regards to any gameplay they added.

Then I'm sorry but it's completely subjective. There are some xpacks objectively worse but even the better ones are not that great honestly. DF story wise is imo on the better side of the spectrum.

[Valysar]

Maybe Avaloren is the name of revamped Azeroth /s

[Yarathir]

This is the main reason for why I'm erring on the side of "maybe not true."

Angles and perspectives notwithstanding, there are some things that just don't seem right.

Yellow: On (our) left, there seems to be a fairly pronounced index finger where it merges into the armblade contraption. On the other side.. ???
Green: The wrists/bracers seem proportionally off. The extreme falloff in dimension where they go into the upper arms seems similarly strange and asymmetrical.
Red: The leg/thigh construction just doesn't seem even at all?

All of these quirks remind me of AI.

[FuujCraft]

Maybe Avaloren is the name of revamped Azeroth /s

I doubt they would rename Azeroth

[Cheezits]

Funny, I feel the opposite.

I looks like he's wielding two frozen swords, each of which sits very stranglely in his hands. Like somebody pasted them onto there. What little we see of equipment looks rather 'Vanilla', and the model overall is just a normal dwarf with a custom skin colour. Not very innovative for a brand new race, is it?

The rig is different.

[matijwow]

The WotLK feature reveal has an old model for the vrykuls (it looks like a big balding human)

And the Cata reveal trailer highlighted "new enemies" by showing colorless concept art of monsters that were never used except for one.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

This is the main reason for why I'm erring on the side of "maybe not true."

Angles and perspectives notwithstanding, there are some things that just don't seem right.

Yellow: On (our) left, there seems to be a fairly pronounced index finger where it merges into the armblade contraption. On the other side.. ???
Green: The wrists/bracers seem proportionally off. The extreme falloff in dimension where they go into the upper arms seems similarly strange and asymmetrical.
Red: The leg/thigh construction just doesn't seem even at all?

All of these quirks remind me of AI.

Yeah now that you focused on it, it has similar problem with hands to this one. it's less visible on the laptop leak, but one hand is much slimmer than the other and looks a little bit weird.

[Nyel]

Ava Loren just sounds too much like an Italian Opera singer / actress…

[Well Done Steak]

Whether it's storm dwarves in another time lost continent or a light v void exp, one thing is certain, Elune is a key player.

she's the final bastion of mystery for the old lore, she's heavily implied to be a part of the liife Pantheon in SL, and she has connections to at least 4 of the remaining 5 cosmic forces.

Order, she's has some sort of a close relationship with Eonar as we see in the 10.2 ptr and Eonar's refuge planet called ELUNARIA and having a pillar of creation named after her instead of Eonar

Death, her sister is the Winter Queen

Light and Void. Khadgar suggested Elune created the Naaru after reading a tome and using the tears of Elune to reignite Xera's core.

Do that just leaves disorder for now.

[M1dkn1ght]

The rig is different.

Almost looks similar to Drogbar rig in some ways.

[milkmustache]

After checking in this morning;

Ah, fuck.