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    The idea of an Old God hitting the planet after a time skip isn't a bad thing......except for one problem. It would be a literally big event and it would be expansion worthy so....Varodoc /facepalmthroughface
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    My understanding is that the creation of the Old Gods was not simple. The Void Lords can barely manifest in the physical realm and if they do it is moments before they are pushed back for lack of matter to consume. And the Old Gods are parts of them ripped and hurled in the emptiness of space. I don't think they could do that with any regularity.
    There would be no reason to use the nearly literal "throw it at the wall and hope it sticks" strategy if Old Gods were hard to produce. Nothing suggests it was some extremely taxing affair. They invented the Old Gods because they can't get into the physical realm and went about throwing things into it instead. If they were a limited resource, they would have carefully guided them to world soul planets, not played the numbers card.

    That said, there's pretty much zero chance of a new old god having shown up in the time skip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    There would be no reason to use the nearly literal "throw it at the wall and hope it sticks" strategy if Old Gods were hard to produce. Nothing suggests it was some extremely taxing affair. They invented the Old Gods because they can't get into the physical realm and went about throwing things into it instead. If they were a limited resource, they would have carefully guided them to world soul planets, not played the numbers card.

    That said, there's pretty much zero chance of a new old god having shown up in the time skip.
    The difficult part is not producing Old Gods. The difficult part is hurling them from the Void into the physical realm. The way it is described in the Chronicle and again in Tu'ure's story is that Void Lords simply cannot manifest in the physical realm unless they can consume something to power their appearance there (in both K'aresh and Karkora Dimensius could only stay around by consuming the very planet). The Void Lords had to pool their powers to succeed at hurling the Old Gods through the Void so I don't think that is something they can freely do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    The difficult part is not producing Old Gods. The difficult part is hurling them from the Void into the physical realm. The way it is described in the Chronicle and again in Tu'ure's story is that Void Lords simply cannot manifest in the physical realm unless they can consume something to power their appearance there (in both K'aresh and Karkora Dimensius could only stay around by consuming the very planet). The Void Lords had to pool their powers to succeed at hurling the Old Gods through the Void so I don't think that is something they can freely do.
    You don't need to manifest in a plane to do stuff in it. Keep in mind that constantly, with almost zero effort, NPCs, mobs, and players open portals to the void. Warlocks pull Voidwalkers out of the void. Void Elves shit out of plane to teleport.

    "Manifest" here doesn't mean "affect in any way", it means that they cannot physically enter the plane of reality, because their nature is too entropic, they are literal black holes and can't stablize here because of the drain. But their inability to manifest on the plane, does not mean they can't just open portals, like every other void creature/user, and throw things into the physical realm.

    Again, I really don't see how they would possibly be throwing Old Gods all over the place just hoping to luck out and hit world souls if it was a struggle or resource intensive process. They would have sent scouts, found worlds and THEN thrown them at the worlds to ensure they weren't being wasted.

    Also, unrelated to this, it should be pretty obvious by this point any modern mention of a fifth Old God is talking about Xal.

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    The funny thing is 5 Old gods hit the same world soul planet. Thats pretty effective if there are others(Blizz you would be wise to hint at other world souls out there cause well our own real world universe is vast, same should apply). And yes Xal'atath has been missing for awhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    The funny thing is 5 Old gods hit the same world soul planet. Thats pretty effective if there are others(Blizz you would be wise to hint at other world souls out there cause well our own real world universe is vast, same should apply). And yes Xal'atath has been missing for awhile.
    Frankly, that was always a problem i had with the Legion. Their whole crusade was basically a waste of time and effort.

    Xal'atath isn't really missing, though. Absent, yes, but not missing. She left on her own terms. And it's not really been that long, either. She only left in BfA, a few patches before Azshara did. Quite possibly to the same place.

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    What if the Void Lord just decide to send more Old Gods to Azeroth? That could happen too you know
    I don't play WoW anymore smh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemonDemonGirl View Post
    What if the Void Lord just decide to send more Old Gods to Azeroth? That could happen too you know
    What a twist!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LemonDemonGirl View Post
    What if the Void Lord just decide to send more Old Gods to Azeroth? That could happen too you know
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    What a twist!
    ...but at the end it's revealed that it was Zovaal's plan all along!

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    Anything as big as N'zoth would have been spotted on approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolicious View Post
    Given the size of the warcraft universe the chance of more than one old god randomly hitting azeroth is basically zero. If anything we got extremely unlucky the planet got hit more than once.
    According to Gul'dan and other Legion minions, at least 10.000 worlds were destroyed/taken over by the Legion. And as shown in the skybox of Telogrus Rift and Star Augur fight, other worlds have fallen to the Old Gods.

    So No, the number of available planets to conquer has been reduced drastically.

    The whole point of the Legion was to destroy all worlds and they did a good job with it, so the Void Lords will have far more chances of hitting Azeroth than they did in Pre-Legion days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Anything as big as N'zoth would have been spotted on approach.
    There's no evidence of this. Azeroth is a big planet and clearly there are still parts of the planet that are unknown/undiscovered, like the part where Avaloren is located, or the land where the Titan facility "Uldaz" was built.

    The only satellite orbiting Azeroth is the Vindicaar and it observes only the side of Azeroth where Kalimdor and EK are located. So the Vindicaar will not detect what is happening on other side of Azeroth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    The only satellite orbiting Azeroth is the Vindicaar and it observes only the side of Azeroth where Kalimdor and EK are located. So the Vindicaar will not detect what is happening on other side of Azeroth.
    Asteroids that pass near the Earth can be seen by the naked eye. If a new moving star appeared in the sky, people are going to know. The planet also spins. Again, there is no way an object as large as an old god can approach Azeroth undetected without reaching into invisibility magic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    so the Void Lords will have far more chances of hitting Azeroth than they did in Pre-Legion days.
    That’s like really not how space works, and if the legion is shattering planets that could mean a ton more space rubble in the way then in the past not less.
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    I don't understand why we entertain this idea.
    If an Old God landed on Azeroth in any recent year, we'd already have like several reaveal cinematics and a trailer because it undoubtedly would be an expansion plot hook.

    Even in universe, all of Azeroth would immediately notice a rapidly expansding mass of twisted void corruption growing and burrowing itself down to the World Soul.

    Wild Gods and the Elements would probably be in uproar, Azeroth would be screaming Magnis mind off.
    Any bigger Light and Shadow user would probably immediately feel an Old Gods presence.
    All the insectoid races would also immediately start marching to help their new master.

    So, even if nobody noticed it landing, everyone would notice the mass corruption that would start taking place.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    According to Gul'dan and other Legion minions, at least 10.000 worlds were destroyed/taken over by the Legion. And as shown in the skybox of Telogrus Rift and Star Augur fight, other worlds have fallen to the Old Gods.

    So No, the number of available planets to conquer has been reduced by an unnoticeable amount.
    Fixed that for you. 10.000 is nothing. Galaxys have hundreds of millions of stars, most of which have multiple planets.

    The Legion achieved next to nothing. They took on average 2.5 years per planet. They would need over a billion years for a single galaxy, and there's likely far more than that. It's a waste of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Asteroids that pass near the Earth can be seen by the naked eye. If a new moving star appeared in the sky, people are going to know. The planet also spins. Again, there is no way an object as large as an old god can approach Azeroth undetected without reaching into invisibility magic.
    There's also no way an irl planet would survive getting stabbed by giant satanic space sword so I don't know why you would ever think Azeroth follows irl logic.

    Furthermore, Void magic can be used to conceal things, so the Void Lords could be concealing the Old Gods when they hurl them into the Cosmos.

  17. #3477
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    I don't understand why we entertain this idea.
    If an Old God landed on Azeroth in any recent year, we'd already have like several reaveal cinematics and a trailer because it undoubtedly would be an expansion plot hook.

    Even in universe, all of Azeroth would immediately notice a rapidly expansding mass of twisted void corruption growing and burrowing itself down to the World Soul.

    Wild Gods and the Elements would probably be in uproar, Azeroth would be screaming Magnis mind off.
    Any bigger Light and Shadow user would probably immediately feel an Old Gods presence.
    All the insectoid races would also immediately start marching to help their new master.

    So, even if nobody noticed it landing, everyone would notice the mass corruption that would start taking place.
    Do we know that they are big when they land? They could be fairly small and grow massive over time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Do we know that they are big when they land? They could be fairly small and grow massive over time
    There is no evidence that the Old Gods are continent-sized when they are created.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    There is no evidence that the Old Gods are continent-sized when they are created.
    The old gods were always “mountains of flesh”



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Do we know that they are big when they land? They could be fairly small and grow massive over time
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