The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Yarathir]

I mean that’s pretty much the consensus, but the Avaloren leak feels so much more like 10.3 than 11.0 that people refilled their copium for the existence of 10.3.

But even the Avaloren leak says "new continent".

I don't think they've ever used "continent" for any patch trailer.

[Demonly]

Legion had had 3 zones, a dungeons and a raid in Argus (7.3). It's not so crazy for 10.3.

You are absolutely right. I didn't even think of Argus.

[Dismayxz]

Actually yeah hold on there isn't a single new model besides maybe the distant Aggorand in the desert picture. EVERYTHING is a reskin.

The Aggorand use the Kul'tiran Skeleton, so really they are also just a heavy retexture.

[Krakerz]

So I watched the previous few feature overview trailers that they usually release to announce the new expansion, and one thing they all have in common is that every shot of them is prominently new architecture/environment models. There's maybe one or two shots that don't really have obviously new environmental assets (Legion trailer at 1:03, BFA at 0:47)

If the shots are indeed supposed to be from the features trailer like the first image seems to suggest (it shows the AVALOREN text mid-animation), then the fact that they show mostly nature is weird.

If only the first image is supposed to be from the trailer, and the other three are supposed to be promotional screenshots, that would SOMEWHAT explain it, but the lack of new architecutre assets would still be weird - just look at the Dragonflight promo screenshots, they ALL feature new architecture assets.

[Sondrelk]

The amount of people who think re-used asset = fake really goes to show they just have absolutely zero clue how game development works. Re-use of assets is very normal for a game development cycle. Do you expect 10000 new tree models and textures for them too any time there is a new continent? Whoever brings up "re-used" assets as an excuse that something is fake is not to be taken seriously.

It's not just the existence of reused assets, it's the sole use of them. To the point where the zones look like previous ones.

[M1dkn1ght]

I am starting to feel like Storms of Avaloren is patch 10.3. It's going to be one of the largest patches of WoW featuring a whole continent that will bring us to the release of 11.0 Q4 2024. At the time of Blizzcon, DF won't even be a year old. I don't see how we wouldn't get a .3 patch. This being a huge Blizzcon for Warcraft, we will see a 10.3 deep dive slated for a mid Spring release and also a cinematic and feature/gameplay trailer for 11.0. This situation would make me believe a massive Old World revamp is coming in 11.0.

[pacotaco]

Thats not what was said though.

It wasn't "she was seen in the Emerald Dream.

It was some dragons claimed to see her in their dreams.

Well, being a tale, we don't even know if the dragon existed.

But we have 4 different books talking about 4 overseas places (that could be or not the same place):
- Nightsquall book
- Avaloren book
- Khaz Algar book
- Erinethria book

We also have 2 books talking about Emerald Dream probably connecting with other places:
- Erinethria book
- Emerald Dream book

It's so crazy to think that harpies have reached out there flying or through the Dream?

[ercarp]

But even the Avaloren leak says "new continent".

I don't think they've ever used "continent" for any patch trailer.

This is the only part that's throwing me off the 10.3 theory. Seems strange to advertise a new continent in a patch reveal trailer.

[Dismayxz]

What if this IS 10.3, which is why they are hyping more than usual (a new "continent" for a patch zone/addition) and then Scaleface's AI hints are 11.0? And we're being shown both. Avaloren could still be a major continent, like we've discussed at some point, but have a lot of sections outside of these 4 Zones locked, that you just can't get to until 11.0?

[TeamWorldRevamp]

The bottom two screenshots could unironically be from revamped Durotar/Stonetalon Mountains and Un'Goro Crater.

I need your copium, guys.

[Explicit Teemo Nudes]

I'm still confused on how Harpies are in Avaloren

How do you know they are in Avaloren?

[Picle]

What if this IS 10.3, which is why they are hyping more than usual and then Scaleface's AI hints are 11.0? And we're being shown both.

not even real leaks can derail the hype train :Þ

[PotHockets]

This is the only part that's throwing me off the 10.3 theory. Seems strange to advertise a new continent in a patch reveal trailer.

Closest we've ever gotten to something that large as patch content is Argus and that just says "Argus: Homeworld of the Legion"

[Nightshade711]

Yeah, because we have some posters who are doomers by nature. I'm not a doomer and tend to be rather optimistic towards WoW's future, so if I'm calling it lazy, that's not a good sign.

You’ve been pretty doomer about anything that wasn’t “your” idea tbh.

I think it would’ve been more lazy to use a location we’ve essentially been to twice before for an expansion (Kezan/Undermine) Likely they’d just reuse a bunch of existing assets, maybe with a fresh coat of paint.

Your “its bad because I think it is!” is a fallacy. Pretty sure I remember you saying the same about Demon Hunters and a “Draconic humanoid race that served the dragons” (which you added “nobody wants to play a ‘slave race’ when that’s exactly what the Dracthyr were)

[milkmustache]

This is the only part that's throwing me off the 10.3 theory. Seems strange to advertise a new continent in a patch reveal trailer.

I think it's also strange they'd called it a "new continent" if it only consists of 4 zones, when other areas like this haven't used that kind of language afaik

[pacotaco]

truu. tho Argus was a progression of the story that non-lore-nerds could pick up. 10.2.5 would have to be chonky with lore to make the connection to Avaloren

No problem: We restore Tyr in 10.2, he can be the link to point us to the new place Iridikron wants to hit.

[Dismayxz]

I think it's also strange they'd called it a "new continent" if it only consists of 4 zones, when other areas like this haven't used that kind of language afaik

Well to be fair, what would've sounded better for Argus?

Argus: Homeworld of the Legion

or announcing

New Planet: Argus.

[micwini]

I think it's also strange they'd called it a "new continent" if it only consists of 4 zones, when other areas like this haven't used that kind of language afaik

Kul Tiras and Zandalar greet you.

[Raetary]

I think it's also strange they'd called it a "new continent" if it only consists of 4 zones, when other areas like this haven't used that kind of language afaik

KT and Zand are only 3 zones each, yet the trailer names them both continents.

Same with the Broken isles, which had only 5 zones.

[milkmustache]

Well to be fair, what would've sounded better for Argus?

Argus: Homeworld of the Legion

or announcing

New Planet: Argus.

Oh obviously Argus: Homeworld of the Legion, that sounds incredible.

I also don't think Argus would be similar to what I'm referring to, since it's patch content that in their gameplay theory would not be used much following it's cycle. So maybe the implication behind "New Continent: Avaloren" is that it's either far larger than we're being shown or led to believe, or it'll be evergreen and used in the future post-11.0

EDIT:

KT and Zand are only 3 zones each, yet the trailer names them both continents.

Same with the Broken isles, which had only 5 zones.

I'm speaking out of my ass. You're totally right. To Avaloren we go.