The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[matijwow]

Doubt it. I think @matijwow is just bored of the lack of any real leaks and is having a bit of fun. Their earlier image "leak" was confirmed to be AI generated and I was able to somewhat replicate it using Bing.

The following image is 100% real, no photoshop, and not AI. I would have posted earlier but Metzen was patrolling with his hammer.

[PotHockets]

Why do you think they added new races in BFA? The whole point was because both sides were trying to recruit both sides into the war effort.

Even Blizz didn't like the idea of making a neutral race that forced people to make a choice.

Even if it isn't 11.0, 12.0 will get us back on faction conflict again.

No it wont. Faction shit is definitely gone for good now they just need to get rid of them in game.

[Woggmer]

That dude either is leaking info or is just pretending to leak info. Either way his posts are all being asserted as known (by him) facts, not arguments. I dunno if there is any point to argue with him over his posts.

I wasn't mentioning the leaker, I was making more of a point that if 11.0 isn't the start, then it could be 12.0 or the expansion after that, or the one after that.

Again, a faction conflict will make a comeback some day, like it or not.

[Leowyld]

In 2004, when WoW launched, factions were a common MMO thing. The Warcraft RTS had factions sure. But Everquest also had them, and that was the benchmark MMO at the time. In 2023, factions have become a relic. Other successful MMO's don't do it, they don't divide up their playerbase that way. FFXIV, no factions. Guild Wars 2, no factions. ESO, started out with factions, realized it was a mistake, and removed the limitations they provided - making them purely a PvP separation. I guess maybe SWToR still has factions? But I think players are generally happier when there are not walls between them. I have never enjoyed the stories involving faction conflict in WoW, myself, I played despite that division not because of it. But Classic is still a thing, and strong faction division will always be in that - it fits since it seems to largely be a nostalgia-driven sentiment, to begin with.

[Izalla]

I wasn't mentioning the leaker, I was making more of a point that if 11.0 isn't the start, then it could be 12.0 or the expansion after that, or the one after that.

Again, a faction conflict will make a comeback some day, like it or not.

I gotcha, no worries.

[Shadowferal]

Again, a faction conflict will make a comeback some day, like it or not.

I concur.
If Blizz hasn't realized DF was a mistake in general, then they have to know by now that factions should have been recognized.

[PotHockets]

In 2004, when WoW launched, factions were a common MMO thing. The Warcraft RTS had factions sure. But Everquest also had them, and that was the benchmark MMO at the time. In 2023, factions have become a relic. Other successful MMO's don't do it, they don't divide up their playerbase that way. FFXIV, no factions. Guild Wars 2, no factions. ESO, started out with factions, realized it was a mistake, and removed the limitations they provided - making them purely a PvP separation. I guess maybe SWToR still has factions? But I think players are generally happier when there are not walls between them. I have never enjoyed the stories involving faction conflict in WoW, myself, I played despite that division not because of it. But Classic is still a thing, and strong faction division will always be in that - it fits since it seems to largely be a nostalgia-driven sentiment, to begin with.

Exactly. Even if the story needed factions, it doesn't, the factions have to go away if WoW is going to survive long term. The actual young people i.e. gen z/gen alpha are not the kind that like factional bs. And for the few among them that do they're already going to gravitate to classic.

[NoTimeToDie5426]

Good thing classic exists

We play retail for a reason - its NOT classic, so *shrug*

[Daniri]

Nothing to debunk it, nothing to prove it. It's in limbo.

The same day it was posted datamining had already indicated most of its claims. How likely is that? Almost certainly someone saw that datamining and then came here to spin a story.

[Grazrug]

In 2004, when WoW launched, factions were a common MMO thing. The Warcraft RTS had factions sure. But Everquest also had them, and that was the benchmark MMO at the time. In 2023, factions have become a relic. Other successful MMO's don't do it, they don't divide up their playerbase that way. FFXIV, no factions. Guild Wars 2, no factions. ESO, started out with factions, realized it was a mistake, and removed the limitations they provided - making them purely a PvP separation. I guess maybe SWToR still has factions? But I think players are generally happier when there are not walls between them. I have never enjoyed the stories involving faction conflict in WoW, myself, I played despite that division not because of it. But Classic is still a thing, and strong faction division will always be in that - it fits since it seems to largely be a nostalgia-driven sentiment, to begin with.

Swtor is a moral divide between Sith and Jedi and BioWare is free to pick a winner since legends is not part of the movie canon

[J Street]

I for one believe in my heart that blizzard wants to move away from horde vs alliance permanently, for better or worse. Each time they try, it's either written poorly or the community ends up khating it because it isn't "equal.

Real war isn't equal or fair but in WoW players tend to get upset if one side truly comes out on top. Example being whenever a town or outpost is destroyed, players expect equal damage in return or a replacement right after.

Blizzard can't write a compelling faction war if players can't handle a pure, one sided victory without eventual compensation from time to time. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my two cents

[Izalla]

The same day it was posted datamining had already indicated most of its claims. How likely is that? Almost certainly someone saw that datamining and then came here to spin a story.

Datamining what? I was discussing a description of the zone that will supposedly be available in the Blizzcon demo, not the D4 leak.

The D4 leak mentioned SoA which is the only connection that post has to the D4 leak, but we don't even know what SoA supposedly stands for to know if they are actually related or a damn coincidence.

[D4NNYB0Y]

I don't know. I think anyone would be able to tell Avaloren is the name of a place. It's not like the majority of WoW players knew Outland used to be called Draenor when WoD released, only people who closely followed the lore did. Besides, red herrings aren't really Blizz's style. I think every single expansion title that leaked early, including Dragonflight, some people were saying it was to mislead the players.

Mists of pandaria? Burning crusade?

I meant a red herring on behalf of leakers, not Blizzard. Also, the title of the expansion was "The Burning Crusade". The Burning Legion was featured in all 3 prior Warcraft games. Avaloren has only been mentioned in Dragonflight afaik. Even Shadowlands was mentioned in-game as early as WotlK in the DK starting quest line.

Brewmasters have been in the lore since Warcraft 3. Pandaria contains the word Panda and is mentioned in-game. It doesn't take much to conclude Pandaria probably has Asian/Chinese themes.

Avaloren does not invoke anything at a glance. Possibly Avalon if folks are familiar with Arthurian myth. So it's going to be an Arthurian expansion then?

I'm not saying it's impossible. It's just poor marketing imo and thus unlikely.

[Daniri]

Datamining what? I was discussing a description of the zone that will supposedly be available in the Blizzcon demo, not the D4 leak.

The D4 leak mentioned SoA which is the only connection that post has to the D4 leak, but we don't even know what SoA supposedly stands for to know if they are actually related or a damn coincidence.

Sorry, got mixed up from when you were talking about the D4 leak from before. But since the D4 leak is obviously based on the datamining, we can dismiss the SoA thing pretty safely.

[Bsirk]

That dude either is leaking info or is just pretending to leak info. Either way his posts are all being asserted as known (by him) facts, not arguments. I dunno if there is any point to argue with him over his posts.

However, he has yet to show any proof whatsoever of his claims. I'm going to stay on the side of it's just bs until the 1st. I will gladly say I was wrong to him on here if he's correct. I just think that will never have to happen. Totally talking about 22mage22 leak btw.

[Izalla]

I agree that faction war should be dead, but racial tensions being eliminated would be incredibly stupid. These are people who have had generations of deep hatred and warfare. Most of them are not the racial leaders who decided to drop the conflicts. In the same way it never made sense for nelves and tauren to behave like mortal enemies because of the faction divide, it would also make no sense for all the lower level military members or general citizens to have completely forgiven and accepted their former enemies. The average Joe need not have hated the other side in the first place if they never had direct personal contact with them. There should be disputes, tensions, and conflicts, between races within the factions as well, as some are less willing to buddy up with former enemies or resent their leaders for making them put down the torches and pitch forks, as well as resenting their racial peers who have accepted the peace. There should be nelves who never forgive the horde, and worgen who never forgive the forsaken. There should be forsaken that never stop resenting the humans who surely will always see then as rotting abominations. There should always be orcs who resent humans causing them to be born into internment camps. Even if none of it is acted on in a large scale way so as to cause another faction war, there should be unhappy people among many of the races who either split off into antagonistic groups that are not faction aligned anymore, or otherwise just add some variety to the attitudes you encounter. We've seen it already with the druids of the flame who split from the night elf survivors.

[Pinksocking]

This was the post:



WoW info is minimal, but still has some credibility so far.

that spiritborn sounds so fking fake

[Izalla]

However, he has yet to show any proof whatsoever of his claims. I'm going to stay on the side of it's just bs until the 1st. I will gladly say I was wrong to him on here if he's correct. I just think that will never have to happen. Totally talking about 22mage22 leak btw.

Oh I wasn't making an argument that he is legit. I was just pointing out there is no point arguing with him like he is any other poster making suggestions or arguments for what should or could happen. He is claiming insider knowledge and so you can debunk him, or ignore him, but you can't change his mind.

[Paula Deen]

Blizzard can't write a compelling faction war if players can't handle a pure, one sided victory without eventual compensation from time to time. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my two cents

Yeah this is it right here. BFA should have ended with Sylvanas on a pike. The amount of butthurt over the Zandalari getting stomped was bad enough but the whining about how burning a world tree was just a means to an end was unacceptable.

I say it a lot...but I will say it again.

The average WoW Player is a crack addict with the IQ of a toddler. They cannot comprehend losing in a video game.

[matijwow]

Shit, Orcs Again

Close. Shit Orcs Again.