The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[micwini]

I've yet to see someone post a pillar that looks like the one in the "leak". Similar doesn't suffice because the leaker would actually have to either A) create a new model that looks different or B) Edit the existing model somehow to make it different.

Gryphon statue is also NOT the same as the one in Aerie Peak. I posted about this yesterday going into detail after carefully comparing and traveling to Aerie Peak to see different angles. Notably, the head/chest area is more separate and gryphon's head is held higher. Wings are further back and texturing in the wingpit area are different. So unless there's OTHER bird statues in Aerie peak I might be missing, that's not the one.

There's a bunch of other new models in the leak as well. The fake leaker would have to CREATE these new models from scratch or somehow get access to edit these models.

So either this fake leaker went through hours and hours of creating assets for the leak which is insane BUT possible or this leak is actually real.

Different top, but apart from that it is the same one

[D4NNYB0Y]

Okay just to make sure we don't only talk about the "super interesting and new" zones.
This thread randomly dropped with their version of a "leak"

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...rcraft-Origins



First of all I have to say I really dig the title. Origins ain't the most expressive, but it can mean a lot of cool things and evokes a sense of mystery.
Are we going to uncover secrets?
Are we going to actually time travel?
Origins of what?

It also carries a sense of returning to basics.

"Canctuary" is probably neutral city. It is probably Algar and not Algarian, but okay. Places it at Silithus like the scarab leaks and Bellular.

Not sure what race origins we still have to learn, but I like the unique racial ideas. Also this isn't the first leak that mentions racial talent trees.
Dunno why they would call them tribes, but I fully support guild housing.
Can't comment on the item types cause I don't even understand it.
Spell transmog sounds cool and I'm sure some versions of this have been asked for for years.
Also hell yes for all gathering professions being available. If having all professions on one character does not kill the FFXIV economy, it won't hurt in WoW either.
No new battlegrounds is a bummer, but pvp zones sounds cool.
Warmode being gone sucks. I mean I never used it, but it feels like it will cause a huge uproar.
Dunno how more mega a raid can be, but I'm all for puzzles.
That bit about normal dungeons is way too broken for me to understand.
Not sure about Gnolls, but if the Horde finally gets Ogres, this expansion will sell like hotcakes.

Oh yes, Azeroth is not the same probably means a revamp. I mean it does say no new continent.

Origins reminds me too much of Assassin's Creed: Origins and Dragon Age: Origins.

[Dismayxz]

No? I'm reading the information coming officially from Blizzard.

Earthen
Khaz Algar
Fissure at Sector AR-938
Erinethria
Green dragon brood
Eonar
Elun'Ahir
Elune
Storms
Odyn
Heretics
Expeditions
Thrall
Nightsquall
Pirates
Ocean
Storming Sea
Sea monsters
Xal'atath
Harbinger
Queen Azshara
Iridikron
Dragon Aspects
Tyr

Not really getting a desert vibe from any of that.

Literal Rocky Canyon/Desert zone doesn't fit: Earthen. Potential Fissure somewhere. Heretics (very non-specific, outside of.. their political alignment to the titans). Thrall (Formerly the Earth-Warder, Earthen Ring, again.. place that looks capable of representing Earth as an Element, doesn't.. fit a Shaman?). Iridikron. Dude's literally a Rock. I mean.. I fucking love your speculations over the course of the Thread, but.. there's vague fits, at the least and the information you've listed is still ultimately completely out of context, because we don't actually HAVE factual Context for how each of these pieces ultimately fits into the expansion narrative.

[Nightshade711]

So either this fake leaker went through hours and hours of creating assets for the leak which is insane BUT possible or this leak is actually real.

I think that is a definite (but very low) possibility. But probably not as a “made it just to leak” kinda thing.

Probably something for RP or someone’s personal fun project IF it is fake.
Kind of like the revamped Dalaran picture or something like this I found on Twitter:

[Northelim]

I dunno why you'd assume the laptop leak is real. It's significantly worse than the screenshots.

With the same token, why would you assume it's fake?

[Teriz]

It’s like saying Mechagon and Mechagon city are different places.

More like saying that Rustbolt and Mechagon City are different places. Which they are. Just like Kezan and Undermine.

It really doesn’t but go off

And yet we have several posters here giving detailed explanations about how these shots are using a high-level of reused assets.

[Dismayxz]

Different top, but apart from that it is the same one

The cup is lacking the specific gold embelishment, the Orb is floating above the 'cup' section, rather than actually set into it, screen perspective says this one is also wider and taller (generally just bigger) than the other one. Ring floating around the top of the cup, in unison with the Orb. How are these the SAME? This is exactly what I said. People take one look "Looks samey, so .. same", when the entire make-up of the model, besides a few similarities is DISTINCTLY different. They are both titan pillars with an orb, yes. But the general theme isn't what sets them apart or makes them look "the same", it'd be the details. And the details are literally very distinctly different, from placements of asset portions to different parts that are there or not there depending on which one you want to take as the main comparison.. like.. HUH?

[NikolaiShade]

Occam's Razor says it's fake, if anything.

What's more likely?

A - Four screenshots that seem to feature re-used, low-quality, and modified fan art based on old in-game assets, put together incohesively and without much to distinguish them from what we already have in the Dragon Isles, end up being real and leaking the 10th expansion coming out on WoW's 20th anniversary, co-written by Chris Metzen.

B - It's fake and somebody who reads the speculation on this forum, and is good at these things, did it to have a bit of fun.

Still on the "It's Fake, Jim" team. Anyway I must be honest, if it's fake it's not something you do in a couple minutes to jest.

[PotHockets]

I think that is a definite (but very low) possibility. But probably not as a “made it just to leak” kinda thing.

Probably something for RP or someone’s personal fun project IF it is fake.
Kind of like the revamped Dalaran picture or something like this I found on Twitter:

That's clearly Cantha idk what else it could be lmao

[Nize]

Different top, but apart from that it is the same one

Not really. I mean, most columns going up look the same. It's literally a cylinder. The one you posted also has mesh in the middle, of which the one in the "leak" only has texturing in the middle.

[Picle]

The misalignment argument always was weird to me. Who photoshops this on an image of an angled laptop? Surely they would create the website/image and than take a picture of the laptop.

mhm! ^_^

With the same token, why would you assume it's fake?

i'm more concerned with the lack of consistent margins and the text under "AGG'ORAND" violating many accessibility standards. those are both considerations made well before a website developer would celebrate being "Mobile ready". but stranger things have happened

[Azalar]

It amazes me how we've gone from being completely leak-dry to having the leakest leaky leak of all leaks. It's sus.

[Pinksocking]

give me that new dalaran thoooooooooo

[Fahrad Wagner]

It amazes me how we've gone from being completely leak-dry to having the leakest leaky leak of all leaks. It's sus.

welcome to leak season my child

[micwini]

The cup is lacking the specific gold embelishment, the Orb is floating above the 'cup' section, rather than actually set into it, screen perspective says this one is also wider and taller (generally just bigger) than the other one. Ring floating around the top of the cup, in unison with the Orb. How are these the SAME? This is exactly what I said. People take one look "Looks samey, so .. same", when the entire make-up of the model, besides a few similarities is DISTINCTLY different.

Like I said, different top. It is also not too far fetched to think they cut half of it off (cuz its so long and put some vines on it. Everything matches apart from the orb and the ring above it.

Again I think the chance is higher that it is real, but I like to view it from both perspectives.

Speculation is a game to play, not a war to wage.

[D4NNYB0Y]

Occam's Razor says it's fake, if anything.

What's more likely?

A - Four screenshots that seem to feature re-used, low-quality, and modified fan art based on old in-game assets, put together incohesively and without much to distinguish them from what we already have in the Dragon Isles, end up being real and leaking the 10th expansion coming out on WoW's 20th anniversary, co-written by Chris Metzen.

B - It's fake and somebody who reads the speculation on this forum, and is good at these things, did it to have a bit of fun.

There does not seem to be any consensus here that this is low-quality or fan art. I heard these exact same arguments about the Dracthyr last cycle. You are also assuming Chris Metzen was heavily involved with this expansion. Chris is just one person, and he just officially came back. They have been working on this expansion for years. Where did Blizzard say Chris Metzen co-wrote this expansion?

[Teriz]

So either this fake leaker went through hours and hours of creating assets for the leak which is insane BUT possible or this leak is actually real.

You mean like the leaker who created the image of Stormwind harbor filled with ghosts and ghost ships? I’m sure that took quite a lot of time as well.

[Nightshade711]

More like saying that Rustbolt and Mechagon City are different places. Which they are. Just like Kezan and Undermine.

What’s different about Undermine that separates it from Kezan?

At least with Rustbolt you’ve got the excuse that it’s the base of operations for the resistance that’s relying on scrap. (Even though it still shares a lot of assets w/ Mechagon City… which Undermine would do the same with Kezan)

And yet we have several posters here giving detailed explanations about how these shots are using a high-level of reused assets.

And yet we’ve also had several posters use plenty of examples from previous (and even the current xpac) on how early leaks / promotional material always has something that’s unfinished. (Reused temporary assets, no textures, etc etc)

[Marlamin]

The cup is lacking the specific gold embelishment, the Orb is floating above the 'cup' section, rather than actually set into it, screen perspective says this one is also wider and taller (generally just bigger) than the other one. Ring floating around the top of the cup, in unison with the Orb. How are these the SAME? This is exactly what I said. People take one look "Looks samey, so .. same", when the entire make-up of the model, besides a few similarities is DISTINCTLY different.

I mean, there is not a "same" asset of it, but it's definitely the same base model with a different top as the quote said. Blizz can scale their models so scale isn't really an issue at all.

[micwini]

The creator of the website leak admitted is was fake.

Link for that por favor.