The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Vakir]

We're discussing zones, not races. There's no new playable race featured in these images, just zones.

I've rarely seen someone miss the point that hard of an analogy.

The point is that the leak information available, if something about this were to be accurate, is not as simple as someone having access to a 4K quality original print of the content they're getting the information from. Scaleface didn't share the Dracthyr deep breath or any of the better customization options, they shared purely uninteresting trash that looked like it was from Second Life and a really poor still from the CGI trailer...because that's all they had access to.

For all we know these are shitty compressed images shared from a second or third person to cover their ass. For all we know, they might have limited access themselves to the same hastily obtained information.

Or it's complete fake nonsense!

It's just a really naive and simple-minded take that Mr. Joe Leaker would totally pick better stuff for me, Worldshaper, to look at because they care deeply about someone trusting the veracity of what they have and are solely interested in us being entertained.

Like, regardless of whether these things landed in general or for you in specific, you can't say they're not trying new things.

They fixed a lot of systems they fought against fixing for about 6 years, and implemented some really interesting stuff, can't deny that.

A world revamp is several orders of magnitude above that. And I'm just tired of hearing it when it's always a disappointment. I'd never be happier to be wrong. I don't think this Blizzard is the same Blizzard that made something on the scale (not quality) of Cataclysm, warts and all of its trash endgame.

[Yunravel]

Yo wake up y’all. It’s 100% real, accept it.

Also theses dwarves look like they have moknathal skeleton, I remember seeing a text leak about that.

That weird fist weapon they use was already on the website leak if someone have it

[Shamolo]

If it's real, it looks fine? I guess people were expecting something bigger for 11.0 with 10.0 looking to be cut short? But seems like your typical modern wow expansion

[keelr]

Yo wake up y’all. It’s 100% real, accept it.

Also theses dwarves look like they have moknathal skeleton, I remember seeing a text leak about that.

That weird fist weapon they use was already on the website leak if someone have it

Isn't it suspicious that a lot of things on these images appeared in previous "Leaks"?

Most of the time the "fake leaks" cannot catch anything from what is to come.

[Jolly Roger]

I don't get how people can look at Dragonflight and say "yeah, Blizzard is just phoning it in." This was an expansion where they totally revamped the talent system, made a significant update to how outdoor movement works for the first time in 15 years, completely revamped professions, made a significant overhaul to reputations, introduced a class with completely new mechanics, and for the first time ever introduced a spec mid expansion--and a spec that is so unique people often mistake it for being an entirely new role at that. They totally changed how M+ seasons work, which involves updating old dungeons and reworking entire boss fights/trash for some of the really old ones. They've totally changed how patch cycles work. They've completely revamped and unified gearing upgrades. There's been so much more iteration and communication in this expansion compared to the last 20 years.

Like, regardless of whether these things landed in general or for you in specific, you can't say they're not trying new things.

its because people tend to forget about systems unless they are aterrible

look at BfA
the content was there but holy hell the systems were god awful including when devs argued on twitter how players were wrong and they were right only to change stuff like a month later

SL was kinda the same
the content was kinda meh and the devs were outright trying to kneecap players with the raids but then you look at the systems and it just goes downhill harder

DF
the content is pretty good though for a dragon expansion they kinda forgot about dragons and just go "look at us in our smaller forms oh and we never had any big dragon enemies in the past except these 4 dudes and chromatus was skipped even though we see the twilight hammer which is connected to him and the northrend magic leyline goofyness would have had some effect on the prison.
the systems though like you said have been mint even if they took a few iterations and if the team had to rework some specs like shadow mid expansion...though im really not keen on "we want ret to be good because its the only DPS spec for that class" but they still havent even mentioned WW and are reworking shadow every patch

[Selorian]

So much denial just because it doesn't fit whatever head canon people made up.

I wouldn't mind if it's real but something in my bones just tells me it's fake

[Worldshaper]

I've rarely seen someone miss the point that hard of an analogy.

The point is that the leak information available, if something about this were to be accurate, is not as simple as someone having access to a 4K quality original print of the content they're getting the information from. Scaleface didn't share the Dracthyr deep breath or any of the better customization options, they shared purely uninteresting trash that looked like it was from Second Life and a really poor still from the CGI trailer...because that's all they had access to.

For all we know these are shitty compressed images shared from a second or third person to cover their ass. For all we know, they might have limited access themselves to the same hastily obtained information.

Or it's complete fake nonsense!

It's just a really naive and simple-minded take that Mr. Joe Leaker would totally pick better stuff for me, Worldshaper, to look at because they care deeply about someone trusting the veracity of what they have and are solely interested in us being entertained.

Pro tip: being a jerk doesn't give your arguments any more merit, it just makes you wrong and a jerk.

If somebody has enough video material to show four stills from four different zones, then they have the entire trailer. This much is obvious.
If they have the entire trailer, they can pick and choose the best bits to showcase. Which they logically would do if they wanted to seem convincing.

Instead, this "leak" showcases four very bland and generic places that look like the backside of Mechagon or something. Because it's easier to produce when you're just the one dude making fake screenshots in Photoshop.

[Jolly Roger]

Isn't it suspicious that a lot of things on these images appeared in previous "Leaks"?

Most of the time the "fake leaks" cannot catch anything from what is to come.

pretty sure theres a ton of new stuff in those photos

[Yus atath]

Please do not be real.

Please do not be real.

Please do not be real.

Even if they were fake, that is still what the new expac is going go look like anyway

[KyleEverett]

10.0 isn't cut short. The Aspects regaining their powers was always the final goal of the expac.

No, I'll always say a 3 raid expansion without a worldwide pandemic is them being lazy.

[keelr]

Also on the 4th picture the golem is walking in the jungle with no path. That's just utterly stupid. Golems are not wild animals. They are put somewhere with purpose, it won't just patrol in a random jungle, especially not in the reveal cinematic.

[Mrpms]

I, for one, am relived that its clearly not an underground expansion. The concept never really appealed to me.

Though it means we have to sit through one more 12.0 speculation thread of TiNkErS r CuMiNg!1!

[PotHockets]

Also on the 4th picture the golem is walking in the jungle with no path. That's just utterly stupid. Golems are not wild animals. They are put somewhere with purpose, it won't just patrol in a random jungle, especially not in the reveal cinematic.

Avaloren is supposed to be a long lost continent. Constructs probably going haywire with disuse and age all over.

[Vakir]

If somebody has enough video material to show four stills from four different zones, then they have the entire trailer. This much is obvious.

Based on what, exactly?

"If this person on Scrolls of Lore really knew about this alleged Warlords of Draenor, they wouldn't just give us a long summary of the story. They'd have actual images to back it up!"

"If that sold print of Bolvar was real, they wouldn't pick such a weird image with contradicting eye colors, and would have him doing something much cooler."

"If Bastion was actually real, they'd show an actual in-game image on that flier, not some concept art."

"That Alex drawing and DF logo seems pretty new, but if someone was able to get a picture of the place where they were distributing Dragonflight materials, they could've gotten a better shot."

"If they were really able to get a customization screenshot and an image of an actual ability being used, they could show us more. Plus, the supposed shot from the opening cinematic wouldn't be so low quality!"

That's just not how anything leaked from a large project works.

Seriously, it's absolutely likely that this could be fake, but the reasons given are not among them. When you get something real, if it isn't this, there's a good chance it's going to look something like this anyway - or worse.

Also on the 4th picture the golem is walking in the jungle with no path. That's just utterly stupid. Golems are not wild animals. They are put somewhere with purpose, it won't just patrol in a random jungle, especially not in the reveal cinematic.

I don't wanna alarm you guys, but Mists' reveal trailer had an entire-ass tower that was an untextured white/grey mass.

[Marlamin]

I don't wanna alarm you guys, but Mists' reveal trailer had an entire-ass water tower that was an untextured white/grey mass.

Dragonflight reveal also had various untextured/unfinished things, that's just how it goes.

[Swnem]

If it's real, it looks fine? I guess people were expecting something bigger for 11.0 with 10.0 looking to be cut short? But seems like your typical modern wow expansion

People were told it was unrealistic to expect a world revamp. They didn't want to listen. Reality strikes them with a hammer. Such is life.

Looks fine to me. More interested in the features.

[Vakir]

Dragonflight reveal also had various untextured/unfinished things, that's just how it goes.

NO.

The leaks will be GOOD QUALITY and show me GOOD THINGS, OK?

FOR ME. SPECIFICALLY FOR ME.

It can't disappoint me, because that means it's BAD. And if a thing I structure my entire personality around is BAD, it means I am BAD.

[PotHockets]

I wouldn't mind if it's real but something in my bones just tells me it's fake

It just hits too many things that scream legit to me both within the screenshots and also the meta aspect of people's responses to it. I dont think we've had a single expansion since Cata get leaked and not had large swathes of people call it fake and point out minutia that doesn't actually matter instead of just looking at what's actually there and this just looks like a WoW expansion.

It's not what I wanted but I think this is about as close to legit as we're gonna get until the actual announcement.

[Ferlion]

Isn't it suspicious that a lot of things on these images appeared in previous "Leaks"?

Most of the time the "fake leaks" cannot catch anything from what is to come.

There are a lot of reasons to think that website leak is fake anyway, Even discounting the screen not being centered, the phone lighting is uniform, the cracked glass on the screen swirls into the art, the text reads as common buzzwords, down to even using "living world" and it's not "storming seas".

It's storming sea. The Forbidden Sea and the Veiled Sea reach all around from east to west. Which, mind, the Forbidden sea would come from the East.

[Dnusha]

when everyone and their mom has speculated Avaloren.

maybe, i guess i missed speculation part since i logged in first time i years. screens seem believable though