The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[justwatching]

The battle pet version has a similar collar.

Looks exactly like a small version of the Screenshot.

[Marlamin]

The butterflies are all right to re-use, no big deal. But Marlamin suggested earlier I think that we only had green ones so far, or something like that? Correct me if I'm wrong Marlamin.

There's various colors of butterflies including blue ones, but not as blue as the ones in the screenshot.

[ercarp]

4chan /wowg/ thread unironically

That's surprising, I feel like people don't bother to post their leaks on 4chan anymore these days.

Hopefully it's still there tomorrow when I can update the spreadsheet. I'm in bed right now so no can do.

[Auxis]

God, I fall asleep for 6 hrs and yall go on for another 40 pages. Anyone wanna recap if anything important happened since page 1891?

[Cheezits]

I think that a clever leaker could realize the triceratops pet was based off some model that doesn't exist yet, and reskinned a regular trike to resemble the baby.

It doesn't look like a new model, it looks like a reskin... like most of this goddamn leak. All reskinned shit with nothing new.

[Dismayxz]

I agree that the swirly thing and the tree branches aren't 1:1 matches. But they're close, and could easily be altered. It's also plausible that there are other similar models in the game that she couldn't find, but which more closely match those two.

Everything else is pretty damning. The pillars are exactly the same, so is the bridge. The butterflies are all right to re-use, no big deal. But Marlamin suggested earlier I think that we only had green ones so far, or something like that? Correct me if I'm wrong Marlamin.

The dinosaur, arguably the model meant to be the standout feature of the image, can be created by a decent enough Photoshop artist using the leaves from the Wildhammer helmet, and by creating a skin texture. At least for a still frame such as this, where we can't scrutinize it from other directions.

Deferring back up to Ercarp's Screenshot of the Pet's Collar. I do agree that yes, it's possible people can just do that. But then that doesn't downplay the fact that .. so can Blizzard and they have absolutely done so ad hominem. Again, I dare people to look around (I am, actively when I have a moment rn) and find similar objects (private servers are great for this, up to certain expansions we have object malls for this, for literally everything and for the newer stuff, Retail doesn't take so long when you don't have to go to every zone for every object. Wowtools also comes to mind. How much of it is reused in this very self-contained small subzone screenshot of a speculated WoW Zone and much isn't. Run the numbers, because we more or less can figure that out with existing shit as well. If we wanna debunk a fake like this, pointing fingers and going "But but but", doesn't beat doing the homework. As long as it looks new or fits the Zone, guess what. Most players won't be any wiser of the fact. It's just new shit in their eyes.

[justwatching]

The big one in the screenshot has regular horns, and completely lacks the rocky shape. It just has a similar looking texture, and some leaves that were copy-pasted on to its head.

I'm referring to the collar. But yeah anyway I dont see any evidence to dismiss the leak...just seems like cope to me to nitpick a reused Pillar and a butterfly.

It doesn't look like a new model, it looks like a reskin... like most of this goddamn leak. All reskinned shit with nothing new.

I mean tons of stuff in WoW is just reskins. Especially when it comes to random doodads they place around the world.

[ercarp]

The big one in the screenshot has regular horns, and completely lacks the rocky shape. It just has a similar looking texture, and some leaves that were copy-pasted on to its head.

I don't think the adult version of the dino needs to look like an upsized version of the battle pet. Even in the real world, animals can change drastically as they age into adults, gaining new colors and fur patterns and what have you...

I think it actually makes a lot more sense that the adult dino is a bit rougher looking and not as polished.

[Nightshade711]

Because if those pics are real, it almost certainly means no Undermine.

The true Undermine was the friends we made along the way

[Demonly]

Can we discuss this more in-depth? All of the photos are turning up a load of re-used assets. All assets from either Dragonflight or older, can't really seem to find anything in any of these photos that screams "new asset" at all.

There's obviously some stretch here:
- The leafs
- The Branch
- The collar

However the:
- Stairs are reused (they are located in Valdraken & near tyrhold)
- Titan watcher is reused
- Butterflies are reused
- The baby is reused
- Pillars are reused

Then the other photos have:
- Reused gryphon mountain asset
- Reused druid form
- Reused Light lamp (in desert photo next to tree)
- Reused Skybox
- Reused tree assets from Dragonflight
- Reused harpie assets (granted this would be okay)
- Reused birds (granted this would be okay)

Some things that stand out to me as fake:
- The light ray for the forest
- (Dwarf) Why is one fist kinda in a shape as if it's holding something while the other seems open? This doesn't make sense honestly.

All of this is screaming PATCH to me, not NEW EXPANSION. If this ends up being an expansion made completely of reused assets from Dragonflight then I may be a tad bit disappointed, these are supposed to be poster flyers which give detail of the next expansion (even if it's a video) why highlight all of your used assets rather than showing off the new and more exciting things?

I'm labeling this:
- Generic, and heavily reused Dragonflight assets. So therefor in my opinion must be a patch 10.3

[Mace]

"Continent" is completely arbitrary and just means "new expansion place".
In their announcemenets the generally use whatever language they want, depending on whatever marketing they are going for.

Kul Tiras and Zand were called continents, as was Pandaria and the Broken isles.

Draenor they refered to as "New World" , for Shadowlands they just used the phrase "Explore the Afterlives" and for DF "Explore The Dragon Isles"

https://i.imgur.com/JZx3GMC.png

Playable race is also arbitrary, it more often means faction or sub-race, doesn't always mean different species. not many realise the play of word. Americans call different ethnicities races, even though the human race is just one race... so race is also used as ethnicity as well as race, and also as faction in world of Warcraft.

[Rathwell]

Mop was also the worse selling expan ever and lost a lot of subs.

It’s looked back on fondly now but it’s pretty undeniable that it wasn’t as popular as any other expan idea.

Dragon flights lack of sales numbers not withstanding of course.

Practically every expansion since Cataclysm has lost lots of subs.

Cataclysm lost 2 million subs

Mists of Pandaria lost 2.6 million subs

Warlords of Draenor dropped 4.4 million subs in its first 9 months alone, almost halving the playerbase

[Hygardt]

Can someone translate?

AVALOREN

The Serpent Seas hold the secrets of the sea serpents and meerpeople of Azeroth. When the waters quieted after the Great Sundering, the magic of the seas went dormant, and the area remained in silence. With the awakening of the Serpent Seas, old conflicts and mysteryous creatures have arisen.

Azgrak Durgor

The Mountains of the Ancients hold the secrets of the old dwarven races of Azeroth. When the earth trembled with the pressure of the Great Sundering, the hearts of the mountains quieted, and the region remained still. With the awakening of the Mountains of the Ancients, old rivalries and forgotten dangers resurface.

Give or take. I don't know if there are any Mountains of the Ancients (They could maybe also be translated as Mountains of Ancestry) or Serpent Seas on WoW that I remember. Both texts are extremely similar, changing one word or the other with the appropriate zone.

[Mace]

Blizzard, re-use assets? Never!

I know.. shocking right !! They've never done THAT before.

[Dismayxz]

Actually, generally speaking. If we're going to Avaloren, we are bound to see titan stuff in some way shape or form. Let's just nip the biggest offender of that post in the butt, right? The titan assets. What in their right mind would drive them to redo Titan Architecture anything at all, when they just made a whole slew of those for DF? Especially if what we have been speculating about a lot in this Thread may actually come to pass (the next thing being a 'true sequel' to DF). You're bound to have similar topics in some form. So you're bound to carry more of this stuff from DF over.

[Marlamin]

Can we discuss this more in-depth? All of the photos are turning up a load of re-used assets. All assets from either Dragonflight or older, can't really seem to find anything in any of these photos that screams "new asset" at all.

It's largely been discussed in-depth already last night, the leaks have been around for like 17-18 hours now so the discussions, including that of asset reuse, have been going in circles for a bit.

[Well Done Steak]

Again, why do you think a company creates merchandise for certain characters and zero merch for other characters? They've been making merch for Chen for almost 20 years now. You know why? Because it sells.

You know why they've never made merch for Odyn? Because nobody cares about Odyn.



Tyr is even worse off than Odyn. Keepers don't move expansions because they're lifeless automatons. People care about actual (mortal) characters.

Any merch for Chen was to pander to players of WC3 up untill cata. You can't tell me the majority of wow players rven knew who the fuck Chen was before mop...

Again, normies are the majority.

And really man, that's a reach.if I ever seen one. Mortal or not, any character can move expansions as long as their written well and loved by fans. Come on man...

[PotHockets]

Every sub since Cataclysm has lost lots of subs.

Cataclysm lost 2 million subs

Mists of Pandaria lost 2.6 million subs

Warlords of Draenor dropped 4.4 million subs in its first 9 months alone, almost halving the playerbase

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that historically TBC and WotLK lost just as many as they gained too but the game hadn't fully saturated the market so growth was endless. Then around Wrath/Cata is when we started to get into that decade of a new MMO launching every other week all of them trying to take WoW's crown.

[Ferlion]

I'm hoping they post more debunks, because picking apart one image like this is easy to dismiss. Doing it to all 4 and it becomes a "Almost everything we see is reused"

[Demonly]

I know.. shocking right !! They've never done THAT before.

It's not about them reusing assets.

It's about them reusing assets in images that are clearly supposed to show off new things, not old stuff, and how much reuse they are using. The list goes on for miles.