The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Mace]

5000 posts earlier

Has the thought of detail that could be real, all of these things are easily possible not controversial either.. they do tempt what people have longed for - Silvermoon revamp and Gilneas useable - which is what makes it a bit suspicious tbh, fan desires rarely come to pass. And no one can tell if anything about the new continent is true or not. Another example is other classes for Dracthyr - while again this could easily be a given, it's also a fan wish, and when too many happen in a lie, it usually means it is fake as it sounds to much like what too many would want to believe real. Another teller is how information on everything but elves ives from the rest of the world is missing, most of the fan base plays elves, so this is likely a wishful and appealing.. therefore not likely to be true. HE would have gotten away with it if he just mentioned Silvermoon because he uses it as a harbour presumably hinting at that's who we get to new continent. But then mentions Gilneas without one, way too specific. If alliance and high elf ships are at the Silvermoon docks, the clearly the factions are leaving form the same place, Gilneas mention only specifically targets another group which smacks of fan desire rather than a true leak. However the short length and lots of vagueness with some class mention including Dracthyr to lend itself to a a real leak format. But let me explore some of the ideas of it, after all it could be genuine, though unlikely and does have an appeal to me.

Do I like the sound of it? Silvermoon yes, it's the sort of development I would expect.. Humans and high elf craft coming out of it speaks of more cross faction corporation than before which is interesting. Not sure what to think of that. on the one hand not having blood elves and Nightborne enemy to human and night elf while being on the opposite faction will indicate that factions will never be wholly at war, and deep friendships can occur across the line -it will also stifle and would have stifled all the alliance/horde bickering on fairness which ahs largely centred around the elves ever since blood elves went horde. But it does raise questions to whether we'd have faction conflict ever again.

That's easy to answer, no one said faction conflict needed to be black and while, you can easily have Tauren and Nightborne friendly and supportive of night elves, Blood elves friendly and supportive of humans though not aligned and having half their number wanting to tear them apart. What keeps a race in the faction is often simply either having bonds they can't break, or a combination of more friends on one side and more enemies on the other side, not necessarily all enemies. for example, Blood elves could never see themselves friendly with night elves - all night elves/ no specifically the alliance aligned Darnassians, despite the fact Nightborne their best friends considered them heroes even revere them and like them, and tauren also get on well with them. Could be this is the case with 2/3 of blood elves, but 1/3 don't feel that way.

high elves don't exactly hate blood elves, they hate the betrayal in TBC, but since legion the fel has become a lot more understood, they long for their land and unity, as do the blood elves long for the high elves too, yet, they are firm in their friendships and commitments to faction.. what's the impasse? Well, why let the horde and alliance determine their reactions to each other? Surely they can have political leanings and decide they won't let faction conflicts and mistrust allow one elf to raise arms against another, regardless of who their friends are.. this speaks of actually a decision to be more loyal to each other who are family than to your friends. It also helps if 1/2 of the blood elves actually like humans too, liking humans doesn't mean they are willing to trust them enough to leave the horde, but it means they wont act as enemies. Another compelling reason is if a pact is made with the high elvws for the sake of their race, then it could be both factions can be welcome to Silvermoon but the peace must be kept. alliance must be weary they have leave to enter only because of the high elves and it is a horde city so they just be mindful.. I can swallow that.


Night elves in Gilneas, well, the friendship with night elves and Gilneans has been little used. and while I expect a little bit more of the kaldorei with the Gilneans, I would have thought the alliance would mostly sail for so called Avaloren from Azuremyst on the other side in stead...but who knows, nothing is mentioned of Gilneas ships, so maybe both sail from Quel'thalas instead.

this would make Quel'thalas a spot for a revamp. which is good. But then are the night elves getting a city to share with the worgen? That would be a kick in the teeth, night elves should have their own city and in the best of their architecture too, they can't have the likes of Suramar and Zin'Azshari under their belt only to live in a human city. A night elf district in Gilneas sounds awesome only if the night elves have a city of their won personally. Perhaps the night elves getting a city sparks a remodel of Silvermoon at last...but nothing is mentioned of Azuremyst. .. Have the Draenei built a city in the Dalaran crater/.? Like Shattrath and or Auchindouin where the light is now based.. it would be interesting for Lightforged forsaken across in Lordaeron, and maybe the compromise for the alliance not gaining Lordaeron.. who knows.. that would have been interesting.

Night elves should have a beautiful tree that surpasses old model Teldrassil and city that simply rivals SuramarZin'Azshari and the best of what they lost if theyw anna see the end of alliance whining, with a beautiful tree showcasing nature like the Emerald dream patch did but with the aesthetics closer to Ardenweald.. they are NIGHT people for crying out loud.

With that in mind, Gilneas is very welcome to have a Night elf quarter, but I expect Azuremyst to have indication of night elves too. Silvermoon is very welcome to have humans and high elves welcome again. that would be good. I'm fine with the only night elves welcome in Silvermoon being Nightborne and Moonguard/Highborne kind.. though I doubt or think it should end there to be honest.

Meanwhile if Silvermoon is ab it open, then the new night elf home could be too. Dracthyr, Ngihtborne, Tauren, any race linked to Elune, the Well of Eternity and the Emerald Dream - lovers of nature and lovers of the night, lovers of magic and lovers of the dream. You'd mostly expect Elf kind and Tauren kind, but worgen, humans, and if Shandris friendship with Voss goes further, then it would seem Forsaken too - symbol of healing I suppose wouldn't put it past blizz. Would that in turn open up Lordaeron to humans again especially the light ones because of the Lightforged ? Derek and calia? Who knows.

IF those are symbols of peace between the factions where would the war come from? Forsaken v Worgen? Humans V Orcs. Tauren v Dwaves? Night elves v Blood elves?

Elves still hate trolls. humans and orcs still hate each other. trolls hate everyone but their friends. Dwarves don't forgive or forget no still l many avenues for conflicts.. but they would be more specific this time, less all encompassing. Groups within races or clans

[Woke it Up]

Has the thought of detail that could be real, all of these things are easily possible not controversial either.. they do tempt what people have longed for - Silvermoon revamp and Gilneas useable - which is what makes it a bit suspicious tbh, fan desires rarely come to pass. And no one can tell if anything about the new continent is true or not.

Do I like the sound of it? Silvermoon yes, it's the sort of development I would expect.. Humans and high elf craft coming out of it speaks of more cross faction corporation than before which is interesting. Not sure what to think of that. on the one hand not having blood elves and Nightborne enemy to human and night elf while being on the opposite faction will indicate that factions will never be wholly at war, and deep friendships can occur across the line -it will also stifle and would have stifled all the alliance/horde bickering on fairness which ahs largely centred around the elves ever since blood elves went horde. But it does raise questions to whether we'd have faction conflict ever again.

That's easy to answer, no one said faction conflict needed to be black and while, you can easily have Tauren and Nightborne friendly and supportive of night elves, Blood elves friendly and supportive of humans though not aligned and having half their number wanting to tear them apart. What keeps a race in the faction is often simply either having bonds they can't break, or a combination of more friends on one side and more enemies on the other side, not necessarily all enemies. for example, Blood elves could never see themselves friendly with night elves - all night elves/ no specifically the alliance aligned Darnassians, despite the fact Nightborne their best friends considered them heroes even revere them and like them, and tauren also get on well with them. Could be this is the case with 2/3 of blood elves, but 1/3 don't feel that way.

high elves don't exactly hate blood elves, they hate the betrayal in TBC, but since legion the fel has become a lot more understood, they long for their land and unity, as do the blood elves long for the high elves too, yet, they are firm in their friendships and commitments to faction.. what's the impasse? Well, why let the horde and alliance determine their reactions to each other? Surely they can have political leanings and decide they won't let faction conflicts and mistrust allow one elf to raise arms against another, regardless of who their friends are.. this speaks of actually a decision to be more loyal to each other who are family than to your friends. It also helps if 1/2 of the blood elves actually like humans too, liking humans doesn't mean they are willing to trust them enough to leave the horde, but it means they wont act as enemies. Another compelling reason is if a pact is made with the high elvws for the sake of their race, then it could be both factions can be welcome to Silvermoon but the peace must be kept. alliance must be weary they have leave to enter only because of the high elves and it is a horde city so they just be mindful.. I can swallow that.


Night elves in Gilneas, well, the friendship with night elves and Gilneans has been little used. and while I expect a little bit more of the kaldorei with the Gilneans, I would have thought the alliance would mostly sail for so called Avaloren from Azuremyst on the other side in stead...but who knows, nothing is mentioned of Gilneas ships, so maybe both sail from Quel'thalas instead.

this would make Quel'thalas a spot for a revamp. which is good. But then are the night elves getting a city to share with the worgen? That would be a kick in the teeth, night elves should have their own city and in the best of their architecture too, they can't have the likes of Suramar and Zin'Azshari under their belt only to live in a human city. A night elf district in Gilneas sounds awesome only if the night elves have a city of their won personally. Perhaps the night elves getting a city sparks a remodel of Silvermoon at last...but nothing is mentioned of Azuremyst. .. Have the Draenei built a city in the Dalaran crater/.? Like Shattrath and or Auchindouin where the light is now based.. it would be interesting for Lightforged forsaken across in Lordaeron, and maybe the compromise for the alliance not gaining Lordaeron.. who knows.. that would have been interesting.

Night elves should have a beautiful tree that surpasses old model Teldrassil and city that simply rivals SuramarZin'Azshari and the best of what they lost if theyw anna see the end of alliance whining, with a beautiful tree showcasing nature like the Emerald dream patch did but with the aesthetics closer to Ardenweald.. they are NIGHT people for crying out loud.

With that in mind, Gilneas is very welcome to have a Night elf quarter, but I expect Azuremyst to have indication of night elves too. Silvermoon is very welcome to have humans and high elves welcome again. that would be good. I'm fine with the only night elves welcome in Silvermoon being Nightborne and Moonguard/Highborne kind.. though I doubt or think it should end there to be honest.

Meanwhile if Silvermoon is ab it open, then the new night elf home could be too. Dracthyr, Ngihtborne, Tauren, any race linked to Elune, the Well of Eternity and the Emerald Dream - lovers of nature and lovers of the night, lovers of magic and lovers of the dream. You'd mostly expect Elf kind and Tauren kind, but worgen, humans, and if Shandris friendship with Voss goes further, then it would seem Forsaken too - symbol of healing I suppose wouldn't put it past blizz. Would that in turn open up Lordaeron to humans again especially the light ones because of the Lightforged ? Derek and calia? Who knows.

IF those are symbols of peace between the factions where would the war come from? Forsaken v Worgen? Humans V Orcs. Tauren v Dwaves? Night elves v Blood elves?

Elves still hate trolls. humans and orcs still hate each other. trolls hate everyone but their friends. Dwarves don't forgive or forget no still l many avenues for conflicts.. but they would be more specific this time, less all encompassing. Groups within races or clans

It would be getting merged with EK so you can dragonride there

[ImTheMizAwesome]

The three leaks are self xonxistent, and even the art is similar between the website and the zone leak, if someone has a process for making fake layouts and some talent I don't see those not being the same person.

I vaguely remember that someone actually said that the laptop stuff was fake and they made that, unless my mind is having wrong memory of that.

It's one of these things im almost 100% sure i saw but now i can't find anything about that, but maybe it was another leak.

And ye, it could be the same person because the two dwarf goliaths model have the same markings on chest.

[Merryck]

Well BfA gave us a chance to support Sylvanas despite everything. Maybe this time the Faction War will be against Titans and Heretics. A much less relatable Faction War.

That sounds dreadful.

[ercarp]

I vaguely remember that someone actually said that the laptop stuff was fake and they made that, unless my mind is having wrong memory of that.

You're probably thinking of the Stormbreaker leak (I believe it was posted on the same day as the website leak), which was confirmed to be fake.

[Harbour]

Second expansion in a row with Dragons, Titan Keeper(s) and Elementals in forgotten island would be an overkill. Thats it.

[- Zephox -]

No one acknowledged the Legion leak. It was posted in its thread as a small list when the set precedent was in depth leaks such as WoD before it. No one paid any attention to the Legion leak whatsoever. We went into that Blizzcon convinced it would be Council of Glades or Eye of Azshara, but that’s only because no one paid any attention to the Legion leak whatsoever. There was no discussion surrounding that leak, so there wasn’t any denial in regards to it.

BfA again wasn’t leaked apart from the name and just hours prior to the reveal. There was a lot of speculation surrounding it but it was a pretty mixed bag on what it could be.

We were all pretty convinced of Shadowlands being the expansion way before it was revealed, we just weren’t sure on the details. The Bolvar leak had its detractors but most agreed it was legit as did most with the Bastion leak.

DF with the Dracthyr screenshots was the only scenario where the majority on mass were denying it’s legitimacy.

Slight correction. The year of Legion literally everyone knew what was going to be shown on that Blizzcon as Legion was already announced a few months earlier over on Gamescom...

[Sondrelk]

Anything exciting happen the last ten hours? Sounds like there is a new leak of some kind to discuss.

[ercarp]

Second expansion in a row with Dragons, Titan Keeper(s) and Elementals in forgotten island would be an overkill. Thats it.

"Second expansion in a row with demons after 460 days in Tanaan Jungle would be overkill. That's it."

People didn't wanna believe in Legion either, let's not forget that.

[Lady Atia]

So if the pictures are real ... that for sure means we will get a stoney longboy mount, right?

Now that I think about it, it was quite weird that they used a never before seen titan dino baby for the timerifts rewards while basically anything else was a recolour of old stuff. Just hoping they also do a world revamp, atleast for EK, on top of Avaloren as "new continent".

[Mask]

I vaguely remember that someone actually said that the laptop stuff was fake and they made that, unless my mind is having wrong memory of that.

The ultimate leak would be one that is real, but the author claims it's fake just to throw people off.

[Lady Atia]

Anything exciting happen the last ten hours? Sounds like there is a new leak of some kind to discuss.

It seems like we got some zone pics of Avaloren:

[Raetary]

Anything exciting happen the last ten hours? Sounds like there is a new leak of some kind to discuss.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

You're probably thinking of the Stormbreaker leak (I believe it was posted on the same day as the website leak), which was confirmed to be fake.

Ye it might be it, my memory is really blurry about leaks this year. xd

I think there were some others too that were confirmed as fake, one from some spanish site and another one was made by user from here.

[Sondrelk]

It seems like we got some zone pics of Avaloren:

Well it certainly looks convincing enough. Definitely not purely AI that's for sure.

[Shadowferal]

New "continent" rhymes with "incontinent."

[Mace]

It would be getting merged with EK so you can dragonride there

That would be very good if it happened.. I mean why revamp it if you're not going to merge it right?

[micwini]

There is no way that is fake. World revampers skip to 12.0 FeelsOkayMan

[Harbour]

"Second expansion in a row with demons after 460 days in Tanaan Jungle would be overkill. That's it."

People didn't wanna believe in Legion either, let's not forget that.

I knew someone would bring up Draenor and Legion. This comparison doesnt work. WoD had one patch with demons secluded in one raid. Legion had a lot of demons but also a lot of new, fresh stuff and stories (Suramar etc) across the whole expansion. Thats why it didnt feel samey at all. You know it, im sure.

DF on other hand had elementals, Titan Keepers and Dragons across all the patches and 11.0 if to believe leaks are going to have all the same elementals, Titan Keepers and Dragons, with all the same plot threads.

Its not really the same situation if you look at it below surface level.

[Sondrelk]

"Second expansion in a row with demons after 460 days in Tanaan Jungle would be overkill. That's it."

People didn't wanna believe in Legion either, let's not forget that.

I would say it's less like in Legion, and more like if Legion was a time travelling expansion where the premise was Orcs didn't go to Kalimdor and instead went to Northrend and built a society there to fend off the Legion.