The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nightshade711]

Has someone finally and believably debunked the terrible Avaloren leak in the last 30 pages?

Not really. It’s just a bunch of Dracthyr 2.0 stretching.

[Marlamin]

Why would someone leak a Snapchat? Wouldn't that just immediately ring alarm bells when it's obvious who leaked it?

Yeah, surely nobody would leak a snapchat.

[Woggmer]

Models, sure. I am talking about architecture and what not.
Imagine a Zuldazar leak that only focused on the trees. Or a Kul Tiran leak where all you saw were the fact that there gnomes there.
It would be a very odd choice when you could instead show off the ziggurats of Zuldazar, or Boralus.

We also haven't had an expansion focused on Dwarf related stuff in ages. If we're going to have a revamp, it might be just an excuse for Blizz to make revamped versions of Dwarven bunkers and assets.. including an updated gryphon statue like in Aerie Peak.

[Mace]

Suddenly half of the Elwynn natives curled up in the corner having PTSD flashbacks to tents made out of the faces of loved ones

Perfect for episode 150 of Our Days in Goldshire. "When the rumour hit that the Gnollls were joining the alliance" - phew let the Orcs deal with them now. "we'repacking you off for war" "funny gnoll noise"

[milkmustache]

Yeah, surely nobody would leak a snapchat.

Damnit bird, take your logic and evidence OUT OF HERE!

[elderu]

Honestly, I would be more inclined to believe it might have been real if it didn't have the link to the previous webpage. That one was just all around suspect. Why would someone leak a Snapchat? Wouldn't that just immediately ring alarm bells when it's obvious who leaked it?

https://x.com/MrGMYT/status/1717573493439553974?s=20

I this latest leak is actually legit. This will be the second Expansion to leak through Snapchat

assuming he knows what he's talking about, would that be DF's that was a snapchat leak?

[Nightshade711]

Mmm. There's modifications of existing assets.

Tbh every expansion exists off modifying existing assets.
Even Shadowlands which was supposed to be this completely new place was mostly modified assets.

Ardenweald fawns were Draenei. Kyrian were modified Val’kyr. Etc etc etc

[Ferlion]

That brings up an interesting point, because personally I wouldn't mind if they reused assets to spruce up the old zones. But for some reason it feels "wrong" for them to reuse assets in an entirely new zone.

I still think the fact that nothing in the Avaloren leak is weird at all or strange at all is the biggest hint towards it being fake.

It's a new zone that has been completely devoid of Titan influence and "Kalimdor" influence for what could be hundreds of thousands of years, depending on when it was sealed off.

Like, if Blizzard were just going to do a standard Titan race expansion thing, I don't see the point of making it Avaloren. Like, calling it Khaz Algor, and leaving Avaloren out completely would have been the smarter leak direction.

And I say this as someone who wouldn't mind a Titan race themed thing.

[Moth Preacher]

So what do we know about Avaloren from the game:

1) It was spurn by Titanborn as a Heresy
2) It is blocked off by Storms (extremely hard to reach)
3) A green dragon decided that this place was good enough to raise a brood
4) It hasn't been destroyed

As I said earlier, I imagine it to be something opposite of order, yet viable as a society.
Picture Menzoberranzan, picture Alushinyrra, picture any Chaotic Fae-ish kingdoms from folklore.

And obviously, it can be...a desert, a jungle, a snowy area, a grassland and oh god - filled with slightly different dwarfs and drumrolls ogres, but we already have the Dragon Isles and that would make two of those in a row - which is a very weird decision.

It can be true, but I hope it's really not an 11.0 or at least not a new continent

[Mrpms]

I am convinced that a nonzero amount of people in this thread will not even believe the expansion as it's streaming live from blizzcon, because it goes against their made up proof that they have doubled down on.

Expect 11.1 Undermine or partial work revamp to be trending

[Sondrelk]

Has someone finally and believably debunked the terrible Avaloren leak in the last 30 pages?

Depends on your tolerance for debunked.

There are seemingly wired AI artifacts. The images are basically all reused assets from previous zones. The dwarf in one of the images doesn't look quite right in a way that implies AI shenanigans. And the leak ties itself to the previous Avaloren webpage leak with the Agg'oran that was decided to be fake based on a myriad reasons ranging from spelling mistakes to the simple question of why someone leaked a weird snapchat of all things.

Some people still believe it though. So I guess there is nothing to do but wait. Convincing leaks have been wrong before.

[Nyel]

No, but some people feel they have compelling evidence against it.

Ok, so there‘s still some hope this is just a fever dream.

[McCallahan]

Not really. It’s just a bunch of Dracthyr 2.0 stretching.

You honestly look at this and think it's real?

im gur.com/a/fklCDwe

What artist would ever draw rope rigging like that down INTO the water? It makes absolutely no sense.

What are those sails on the left that aren't even completely formed? Why is there a rope outline not connected to the sail?

What is that random sea monster rock that makes no sense?

Why is the logo on the sail all muddied and not fully draw?

Yes, it's but debunked.

Falling for obvious AI art this far into the thread, come on.

[Nyel]

Depends on your tolerance for debunked.

There are seemingly wired AI artifacts. The images are basically all reused assets from previous zones. The dwarf in one of the images doesn't look quite right in a way that implies AI shenanigans. And the leak ties itself to the previous Avaloren webpage leak with the Agg'oran that was decided to be fake based on a myriad reasons ranging from spelling mistakes to the simple question of why someone leaked a weird snapchat of all things.

Some people still believe it though. So I guess there is nothing to do but wait. Convincing leaks have been wrong before.

Thank you for putting this together!

[Woggmer]

Has someone finally and believably debunked the terrible Avaloren leak in the last 30 pages?

Not really. Even if they did, it still isn't enough to convince otherwise (and in my case, their evidence is only affirming my suspicions that it is legit).

[Sondrelk]

We also haven't had an expansion focused on Dwarf related stuff in ages. If we're going to have a revamp, it might be just an excuse for Blizz to make revamped versions of Dwarven bunkers and assets.. including an updated gryphon statue like in Aerie Peak.

Which is precisely what I would expect from a series of images like these. Even if they are only partially visible on the side.

[Nightshade711]

Depends on your tolerance for debunked.

There are seemingly wired AI artifacts. The images are basically all reused assets from previous zones. The dwarf in one of the images doesn't look quite right in a way that implies AI shenanigans. And the leak ties itself to the previous Avaloren webpage leak with the Agg'oran that was decided to be fake based on a myriad reasons ranging from spelling mistakes to the simple question of why someone leaked a weird snapchat of all things.

Some people still believe it though. So I guess there is nothing to do but wait. Convincing leaks have been wrong before.

I don’t think AI has been able to reliably make convincing WoW models yet. Even some of the newer and better AIs that’ve recently come out.

I think a lot of the weirdness could be due to poor image quality (cell phone) and the fact that they’re taken from likely a video where the models/objects aren’t supposed to be “still”

[The Stormbringer]

Lol @ all the people going, "THERE'S RE-USED ASSETS IN THIS, FAKE CONFIRMED!!!!11one" as if Blizzard have never re-used assets before in a new game...

I'm not saying it's real or fake, just that using "re-used assets" as a reason why it's fake is silly.

[milkmustache]

You honestly look at this and think it's real?

im gur.com/a/fklCDwe

What artist would ever draw rope rigging like that down INTO the water? It makes absolutely no sense.

What are those sails on the left that aren't even completely formed? Why is there a rope outline not connected to the sail?

What is that random sea monster rock that makes no sense?

Why is the logo on the sail all muddied and not fully draw?

Yes, it's but debunked.

Falling for obvious AI art this far into the thread, come on.

My friend, I think you're talking about a different leak. I believe most people are focused on the four zone screenshots. This webpage is clearly AI nonsense, and that seems to be the consensus.

[Nerdslime]

As long as I'm getting my giraffe mounts!

New gold sink mount is an Algarian pack giraffe with a mailbag and a banker. 10,000,000 gold price for capped out auction house barons who scored big with DF Lariat work orders early on.

My source is legit this leak is definitely very real not fake trust me bro no haters allowed.