The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[GabrielKnight]

Funny you're all talking about Azshara. I was doing some Vaults and found this "Unknown Statuary" in one of the rooms, alongside two "Undersea Specimen". Seems like even Neltharion was interested in her.

[Fahrad Wagner]

I know the thread's title and that's why it's permissable, but god, do some of you need to get infracted.

It's everyday with this old gods circle-jerk and clogging the thread up with who has the biggest lore epeen. Go to the lore section would you

I couldn't agree more...

[RahEndymion]

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I'm starting to think there may be no value in this exchange at all lol.

I will say this: I have, at no point, offered you my interpretation of what I believe will or has happened. I have only offered possible ways to interpret the information differently to the way you do. The fact your entire response is predicated on the assumption that I disagree with you is vindication of my point enough.

My point is simple:

You use the logic that all of the 'factual' 4 items you've listed about Azshara are undeniable truth because it was shown in game and those were Azshara's words and as such, there is absolutely no way to view them differently.

Yet, in game, N'zoth is killed, but you are willing to view that differently because reasons.

Therefore, you are not in a credible position to judge somebody else interpretation as false based on in game facts, because you are already in possession of an opinion that directly contradicts what is shown in game and told to us as factual.

As an example / exercise:

Before Azshara steps into a void portal at the end of the raid, she says (and this is entirely paraphrased) "I'm done dealing with middle men and intermediaries, I will claim the true throne' which, based on your logic suggests:

1. Azshara views N'Zoth as tedious middle man and nothing more. Fact.
2. Azshara is sufficiently confident in her ability post dealing with N'zoth that she is not afraid of his masters. Fact.
3. Azshara is very capable of void manipulation on top of her arcane prowess. Fact.
4. Azshara has always been able to move around freely and unimpeded even with N'Zoth active and released. Fact.

But I am not saying I agree with those points or that they are 'true', simply that based on the information we're given, they are factual.

Now here's the fun part: She could just be lying. As could N'Zoth. As could both of them.

For all we know, the void lords themselves may have grown tired of the old gods and funneled her the void equivalent of Zovaals anima. For all we know, N'Zoths death by the dagger may have been the final ritual for her ascension to Void Waifu. I mean honestly, given how the last few expansions have played out, she could run off with the Jinyu and Murlocs and create some interdimensional WetVoid Utopia.

Now I'm sure you won't get this far but here's the funnest part: I largely agree with you on this. I believe for the most part, your assumptions are likely the route that is intended/baited. More to the point, I genuinely hope that it is true because the way that N'Zoth was dealt with felt far from spectacular and it would actually be nice to have N'Zoth fill the lovecraftian Tzeentch analogue role that he was always written to be.

But we don't know.

[RahEndymion]

On topic now: Seafearer/Pirate/Jungle Island content in 10.2/3 or 11.0?

Between the statues in the vault, the pirate ships, nightsquall, monkey/tel'abim rare etc I feel like the likelihood we are getting a jungle island / pirate continent is pretty high.

Outside of Tel'abim I have no idea how or where this would fit in lorewise though so I'm suspicious it may be a diversion / patch content.

Any thoughts?

I want to explore more of the Twisting Nether...

I also want there to be a Pantheon of Disorder, just so we could have our own version of the Chaos Gods. The Nether is already inspired by the Warp from 40k, might as well go all in with it, ya know.

Would be cool until they get beaten down in a fist fight by 20 mortals lol

[Aucald]

This thread is not about in-depth lore discussions, much less arguments about specific points of the lore - that is what the Lore subforum is for. Take your rolling arguments there if you like, but otherwise let's drop the back-and-forth about the Void, Old Gods, or what have you, and let's refocus the discussion on speculation about upcoming patches and/or expansions.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Why wouldn't he study the Nana? They are also of N'Zoth's creation.

The Naga weren’t a thing before the isle were sealed so any interest would have had to be of the high Bourne.

[GabrielKnight]

The Naga weren’t a thing before the isle were sealed so any interest would have had to be of the high Bourne.

True. Keep in mind, in the room there's a bunch of stuff that make references to undersea, like specimens and chests. I'm not sure if the Highborne were related to it before becoming nagas tho.

[Grimbold21]

I couldn't agree more...

And yet I was the one who was infracted. It's the little ironies in life that give it meaning, ain't it?

[Nightmare Queen]

On topic now: Seafearer/Pirate/Jungle Island content in 10.2/3 or 11.0?

Between the statues in the vault, the pirate ships, nightsquall, monkey/tel'abim rare etc I feel like the likelihood we are getting a jungle island / pirate continent is pretty high.

Outside of Tel'abim I have no idea how or where this would fit in lorewise though so I'm suspicious it may be a diversion / patch content.

Any thoughts?



Would be cool until they get beaten down in a fist fight by 20 mortals lol

Tel'abim needs to 100% have trolls on it lol

[Lorgar Aurelian]

True. Keep in mind, in the room there's a bunch of stuff that make references to undersea, like specimens and chests. I'm not sure if the Highborne were related to it before becoming nagas tho.

Wouldn’t be surprised if it was just meant to be a “wink wink nudge nudge” vault as I can’t think of any lore about them having any thing to do with the sea before the sundering and Azshara lived land locked near the well.

[Alanar]

Yeah well, she won't be the one laughing when we fuck her shit up again in a Void dungeon or some shit like that (She may be a Raid Boss again idk)..

Idk what that has anything to do with it, but I hope you are aware that Azshara and Denathrius are actually one of the few characters who actually succeeded. Which is rare in wow lol.

[Sondrelk]

On topic now: Seafearer/Pirate/Jungle Island content in 10.2/3 or 11.0?

Between the statues in the vault, the pirate ships, nightsquall, monkey/tel'abim rare etc I feel like the likelihood we are getting a jungle island / pirate continent is pretty high.

Outside of Tel'abim I have no idea how or where this would fit in lorewise though so I'm suspicious it may be a diversion / patch content.

Any thoughts?



Would be cool until they get beaten down in a fist fight by 20 mortals lol

I feel like the Nightsquall book was hinting heavily towards the backside of Azeroth rather than Tel'abim. It's mentioned, sure. But the main bit in that book is how Nightsquall somehow managed to find something into the uncharted seas that he took back with him.

[Hellspawn]

Yeah well, she won't be the one laughing when we fuck her shit up again in a Void dungeon or some shit like that (She may be a Raid Boss again idk).

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Why wouldn't he study the Naga? They are also of N'Zoth's creation.

Naga only existed after the Sundering... the even after which the Aspect could not access their isle anymore. Was Neltharion there after the sundering? (It is technical a separate isle I guess)

... or the devs forgot about their own lore again.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Its certainly possible to have obtained statues of Azshara somehow before things went to shit. I mean Neltharion having secrets isn't out of the question anymore.

[Fahrad Wagner]

This thread is not about in-depth lore discussions, much less arguments about specific points of the lore - that is what the Lore subforum is for. Take your rolling arguments there if you like, but otherwise let's drop the back-and-forth about the Void, Old Gods, or what have you, and let's refocus the discussion on speculation about upcoming patches and/or expansions.

Thanks Aucald! ♥

People want to keep the WoW Cosmology a secret...

Hard to do that now with Zereth Mortis and the Afterlife lmaooo

Not necessarily, we've seen Zereth Mortis, but all other realms can (and should) remain a secret. More has been revealed than it should in my opinion- but they can still "stop" the damage, and shroud those cosmic forces in mystery (while still having them relevant in main storylines now and then, which they will do of course).

Tel'abim needs to 100% have trolls on it lol

Real question is: are they gonna be banana trolls?

Its certainly possible to have obtained statues of Azshara somehow before things went to shit. I mean Neltharion having secrets isn't out of the question anymore.

True, but it does feel a bit random to have those in his vaults; that + the naga invading the Forbidden Reach... there is definitely something going on that we are not aware of.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Naga only existed after the Sundering... the even after which the Aspect could not access their isle anymore. Was Neltharion there after the sundering? (It is technical a separate isle I guess)

... or the devs forgot about their own lore again.

Doesn’t really need to be any lore forgetting or him getting back to the sealed isle just the coincidence that he put her statue in the same vault as deep sea stuff.

[Fahrad Wagner]

On topic now: Seafearer/Pirate/Jungle Island content in 10.2/3 or 11.0?

Between the statues in the vault, the pirate ships, nightsquall, monkey/tel'abim rare etc I feel like the likelihood we are getting a jungle island / pirate continent is pretty high.

Outside of Tel'abim I have no idea how or where this would fit in lorewise though so I'm suspicious it may be a diversion / patch content.

Any thoughts?

Would be cool until they get beaten down in a fist fight by 20 mortals lol

I'm thinking 11.0, somewhat linking it to Avaloren. It could be patch content... but I can't really see the relevance with Dragonflight, aside from if we're looking for a long lost artefact that happens to be kept in some Pirate Captain's private collection. This could be fun, a pirate raid would be grandiose!

But I'm still rooting for 11.0. As for where it would take place, aside from Tel'Abim we still have Hiji, Plunder Isle, the Darkspear Islands and Kezan even though we've been there during the goblin intro and the BfA dungeon, the whole island as a zone is still missing. That's plenty of different locations to support an expansion imo.

[Hellspawn]

Its certainly possible to have obtained statues of Azshara somehow before things went to shit. I mean Neltharion having secrets isn't out of the question anymore.

The statures are not the problem but what about the Naga Fetus?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The statures are not the problem but what about the Naga Fetus?

Unless they have a mouse over tag saying there Naga they could just be any deep sea creature.

[Cheezits]

Remember that N'zoth was conveniently right underneath Zin'azshari right after it got blown up, ready to talk to Azshara. So it's possible that Neltharion knew of Old God activity around Azshara's area.