The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Catastrophy349]

From Legion's zone preview;



Where's the equivalent in those 4 screenshots? Are we to believe that there are no buildings in Khaz Algar?

Can you look at this image and say to yourself, "Yes, this is going to be the best expansion (one of) ever made." Honestly?

[NoTimeToDie5426]

It's not hard to re-introduce old characters in a new light... Remember, Khadgar and even Nathanos used to look extremely different before they complete make-overs in WoD and Legion.

Even if someone goes "Who the fuck is Noggenfogger?" Blizz can just as easily re-introduce the character with a new model and everything if they wanted to.

Heck, they gave us completely new characters in DF with Toddy and Naleidea.

Oh god I hope they never do another Toddy, worst character in the damn game. Naleidea is pretty cool tho

[Rathwell]

From Legion's zone preview;

[img] https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/scree...657-azsuna.jpg[img]

Where's the equivalent in those 4 screenshots? Are we to believe that there are no buildings in Khaz Algar?

Most expansion media packages have some screens with new architecture and some pretty plain ones. Given that we've only got four, it's a fair chance we've simply not got the goodies yet.

[Dismayxz]

Yeah he's also apparently some legendary minion in Hearthstone. But yeah, I had no idea who Pozzik was. You'd be better off referring to Revilgaz, Noggenfogger, or Mida for more well known goblins.

I'm pretty sure Noggenfogger is more well-known to the masses than .. 99% of the Goblin & Gnome roster.

[Izalla]

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Rewatch this. Look at those zone pics again. Think about your opinions.

That's also the shortest and weakest one they've done in a long time too, but the whole announcement was completely different from anything we had before due to covid issues. Still, they made it flashy.

[Teriz]

Haha, I didn't think the devs accidentally developped the place. I thought we were discussing in universe reasons.

Nah, MoP was the very definition of a break expansion, just like Dragonflight. The problem with applying that logic to 11.0 is that 11.0 is highly likely to be a continuation of Dragonflight's story, and as of right now there's very little driving us to go to Avaloren. I could see it as a patch, but not a full blown expansion. Odyn is simply not that important of character.

[Ferlion]

I'm genuinely curious: Are people that angry with the "leak" that they are creating "head canon" to dismiss it? OR, do people just genuinely not believe it is "real?"

I just don't think it's real.

It's such an odd thematic choice that doesn't really jive with how Blizzard traditionally operates. But that is possibly because it's just 4 screen shots that are not indicative of anything at all.

S'long as the game is good, dungeons are fun, raids are fun, and the music is fire, it's all gravy regardless of setting.

[NoTimeToDie5426]

Can you look at this image and say to yourself, "Yes, this is going to be the best expansion (one of) ever made." Honestly?

I mean... yeah, this evokes that OG WoW feeling, which for me is enough to guess that its going to be a great xpac.

[Catastrophy349]

Most expansion media packages have some screens with new architecture and some pretty plain ones. Given that we've only got four, it's a fair chance we've simply not got the goodies yet.

Going to be a very long 185 hours until BlizzCon after this "bombshell." We're closing in on 100 pages in less than 24 hours discussing it.

[Teriz]

Most expansion media packages have some screens with new architecture and some pretty plain ones. Given that we've only got four, it's a fair chance we've simply not got the goodies yet.

Yeah, but one of those 4 shots supposedly showcased Khaz Algar. I highly doubt Blizzard wouldn't put the architecture of that zone front and center.

[Izalla]

Yeah, that's a point I can understand, but also wasn't exactly what I was argueing against. It was an example of where the Quality of a couple of shots clearly didn't matter, despite the ongoing improvement of the quality of the formula, right? They were already 'past' the years of developing the game where something like this would've probably been more likely to happen or get the greenlight. So it was more to again argue the point that I honestly don't expect it to be harmful outside of a minority of viewpoints towards Blizzard, IF there were an unprecedented amount of reusing going on with the real deal, so long as the final product looks what it's supposed and expected to look like, it probably wouldn't negatively impact the overall reception. There can't be an inherent hard rule to certain degrees, because eventually things will adapt to the requirements to get the product to where they want it to be. And given all the things we have discussed over the course of the Thread, that do seem possible, I wouldn't be surprised if they do a lot more reusing, cut Art Team production load further, to meet a goal we haven't quite seen disclosed yet, perhaps. And it can still be a spectable overview/preview with that sort of thing going on, so long as the combination of assets works.

Oh, sorry, I must have missed your original point and conflated you with someone else in that case. My bad!

[Ferlion]

See, this is what happens when people say the hype and discussion has slowed down.

Someone just had to introduce a little bit of chaos.

[Catastrophy349]

I mean... yeah, this evokes that OG WoW feeling, which for me is enough to guess that its going to be a great xpac.

Not saying I disagree, however, it's very hard not to have a "bias" toward that image considering Legion has come and gone at this point. My major point is the fact that I doubt any of us (myself included) can look at any of these 4 images (if real) and say whether or not 11.0 is going to be awful/amazing. It's just nonsense.

[Mecheon]

I'm genuinely curious: Are people that angry with the "leak" that they are creating "head canon" to dismiss it? OR, do people just genuinely not believe it is "real?"

Some folks doing the headcanon, some folks insisting the story can go only one way and this doesn't match up so its clearly wrong, but I do think a healthy dose of skepticism is welcome. Warcraft doesn't get the big fakes typically but I've seen crazy stuff in other places. Smash Bros fans remember the Grinch Leak well, someone rigged up a custom model once to use as a fake Pokemon for another fake leak over in that space (and that's before I get to the people who still complain about Inciniroar not being that boring fanart or people complaining about Primarina not being Ballio the horrifying seal clown).

There are a few things weird and off with it. The fact basically every part of it is a reuse except some rocks, for example. Its more what you'd expect from patch content than a whole new expansion and worth skepticism.

[Chickat]

Oh my god I spent way too long wondering how Broll Bearmantle is tied to the revamp before realising what you meant.

Sorry lmao. Yeah im on mobile so grammar isnt really my goal atm. But yes, i meant B-roll.

[milkmustache]

Yeah, but one of those 4 shots supposedly showcased Khaz Algar. I highly doubt Blizzard wouldn't put the architecture of that zone front and center.

Teriz, I also don't believe in this leak, but there is no indication that any of these images are Khaz Algar. You're correct that all we're seeing is landscape which is a factor in the favor of this being a fake, but saying that "one of those 4 shots supposedly showcased Khaz Algar" is just untruthful and redundant to discussion over them.

[Catastrophy349]

Yeah, but one of those 4 shots supposedly showcased Khaz Algar. I highly doubt Blizzard wouldn't put the architecture of that zone front and center.

Weren't you saying that Khaz Algar will likely NOT be on Avaloren? Also, who cares what a separate "leak" said about Khaz Algar? We're talking only about the 4 images (everything else is null).

[Teriz]

Can you look at this image and say to yourself, "Yes, this is going to be the best expansion (one of) ever made." Honestly?

That alongside Broken Shore, Stormheim, Highmountain, Val'Sharath (sp?), and Suramar? Yeah it looked pretty damn good.

[Rathwell]

Yeah, but one of those 4 shots supposedly showcased Khaz Algar. (...)

Is that not just conjecture? I don't believe we conclusively know what any of the screens depict. We've four screen caps of what may be four separate zones, which we do not have the names or stories of (if we're just going off the base leak)

I am not personally convinced all the leaks tie together neatly at least, what I'm willing to believe at the moment is that the four screens may be real

I see no reason to believe any of the screens are of Khaz Algar

[Catastrophy349]

That alongside Broken Shore, Stormheim, Highmountain, Val'Sharath (sp?), and Suramar, and yeah it looked pretty damn good.

In what context? Take a single image from any of the zones you just mentioned above, and let's say those images are all captured in a "dead area (nothing really happening)." That tells you that it's going to be "pretty damn good?"