The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[GabrielKnight]

The Naga weren’t a thing before the isle were sealed so any interest would have had to be of the high Bourne.

True. Keep in mind, in the room there's a bunch of stuff that make references to undersea, like specimens and chests. I'm not sure if the Highborne were related to it before becoming nagas tho.

[Grimbold21]

I couldn't agree more...

And yet I was the one who was infracted. It's the little ironies in life that give it meaning, ain't it?

[LemonDemonGirl]

On topic now: Seafearer/Pirate/Jungle Island content in 10.2/3 or 11.0?

Between the statues in the vault, the pirate ships, nightsquall, monkey/tel'abim rare etc I feel like the likelihood we are getting a jungle island / pirate continent is pretty high.

Outside of Tel'abim I have no idea how or where this would fit in lorewise though so I'm suspicious it may be a diversion / patch content.

Any thoughts?



Would be cool until they get beaten down in a fist fight by 20 mortals lol

Tel'abim needs to 100% have trolls on it lol

[Lorgar Aurelian]

True. Keep in mind, in the room there's a bunch of stuff that make references to undersea, like specimens and chests. I'm not sure if the Highborne were related to it before becoming nagas tho.

Wouldn’t be surprised if it was just meant to be a “wink wink nudge nudge” vault as I can’t think of any lore about them having any thing to do with the sea before the sundering and Azshara lived land locked near the well.

[Alanar]

Yeah well, she won't be the one laughing when we fuck her shit up again in a Void dungeon or some shit like that (She may be a Raid Boss again idk)..

Idk what that has anything to do with it, but I hope you are aware that Azshara and Denathrius are actually one of the few characters who actually succeeded. Which is rare in wow lol.

[Sondrelk]

On topic now: Seafearer/Pirate/Jungle Island content in 10.2/3 or 11.0?

Between the statues in the vault, the pirate ships, nightsquall, monkey/tel'abim rare etc I feel like the likelihood we are getting a jungle island / pirate continent is pretty high.

Outside of Tel'abim I have no idea how or where this would fit in lorewise though so I'm suspicious it may be a diversion / patch content.

Any thoughts?



Would be cool until they get beaten down in a fist fight by 20 mortals lol

I feel like the Nightsquall book was hinting heavily towards the backside of Azeroth rather than Tel'abim. It's mentioned, sure. But the main bit in that book is how Nightsquall somehow managed to find something into the uncharted seas that he took back with him.

[Hellspawn]

Yeah well, she won't be the one laughing when we fuck her shit up again in a Void dungeon or some shit like that (She may be a Raid Boss again idk).

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Why wouldn't he study the Naga? They are also of N'Zoth's creation.

Naga only existed after the Sundering... the even after which the Aspect could not access their isle anymore. Was Neltharion there after the sundering? (It is technical a separate isle I guess)

... or the devs forgot about their own lore again.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Its certainly possible to have obtained statues of Azshara somehow before things went to shit. I mean Neltharion having secrets isn't out of the question anymore.

[Fahrad Wagner]

This thread is not about in-depth lore discussions, much less arguments about specific points of the lore - that is what the Lore subforum is for. Take your rolling arguments there if you like, but otherwise let's drop the back-and-forth about the Void, Old Gods, or what have you, and let's refocus the discussion on speculation about upcoming patches and/or expansions.

Thanks Aucald! ♥

People want to keep the WoW Cosmology a secret...

Hard to do that now with Zereth Mortis and the Afterlife lmaooo

Not necessarily, we've seen Zereth Mortis, but all other realms can (and should) remain a secret. More has been revealed than it should in my opinion- but they can still "stop" the damage, and shroud those cosmic forces in mystery (while still having them relevant in main storylines now and then, which they will do of course).

Tel'abim needs to 100% have trolls on it lol

Real question is: are they gonna be banana trolls?

Its certainly possible to have obtained statues of Azshara somehow before things went to shit. I mean Neltharion having secrets isn't out of the question anymore.

True, but it does feel a bit random to have those in his vaults; that + the naga invading the Forbidden Reach... there is definitely something going on that we are not aware of.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Naga only existed after the Sundering... the even after which the Aspect could not access their isle anymore. Was Neltharion there after the sundering? (It is technical a separate isle I guess)

... or the devs forgot about their own lore again.

Doesn’t really need to be any lore forgetting or him getting back to the sealed isle just the coincidence that he put her statue in the same vault as deep sea stuff.

[Fahrad Wagner]

On topic now: Seafearer/Pirate/Jungle Island content in 10.2/3 or 11.0?

Between the statues in the vault, the pirate ships, nightsquall, monkey/tel'abim rare etc I feel like the likelihood we are getting a jungle island / pirate continent is pretty high.

Outside of Tel'abim I have no idea how or where this would fit in lorewise though so I'm suspicious it may be a diversion / patch content.

Any thoughts?

Would be cool until they get beaten down in a fist fight by 20 mortals lol

I'm thinking 11.0, somewhat linking it to Avaloren. It could be patch content... but I can't really see the relevance with Dragonflight, aside from if we're looking for a long lost artefact that happens to be kept in some Pirate Captain's private collection. This could be fun, a pirate raid would be grandiose!

But I'm still rooting for 11.0. As for where it would take place, aside from Tel'Abim we still have Hiji, Plunder Isle, the Darkspear Islands and Kezan even though we've been there during the goblin intro and the BfA dungeon, the whole island as a zone is still missing. That's plenty of different locations to support an expansion imo.

[Hellspawn]

Its certainly possible to have obtained statues of Azshara somehow before things went to shit. I mean Neltharion having secrets isn't out of the question anymore.

The statures are not the problem but what about the Naga Fetus?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The statures are not the problem but what about the Naga Fetus?

Unless they have a mouse over tag saying there Naga they could just be any deep sea creature.

[Cheezits]

Remember that N'zoth was conveniently right underneath Zin'azshari right after it got blown up, ready to talk to Azshara. So it's possible that Neltharion knew of Old God activity around Azshara's area.

[Varodoc]

Funny you're all talking about Azshara. I was doing some Vaults and found this "Unknown Statuary" in one of the rooms, alongside two "Undersea Specimen". Seems like even Neltharion was interested in her.

This is not surprising. Neltharion was already hearing the whispers of the Old God, his corruption was gradual and over the course of a long time. Simultaneously, N'Zoth had been watching Azshara from the shadows for thousands of years.

It's possible that N'Zoth told one of his future minions (Neltharion) to gather more intel on another of his future minions (Azshara). Hence, Neltharion gathering that statue for some purpose.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Remember that N'zoth was conveniently right underneath Zin'azshari right after it got blown up, ready to talk to Azshara. So it's possible that Neltharion knew of Old God activity around Azshara's area.

If he was locked to the sea he couldn’t actually be by Zin'azshari before the sundering he would have had to ride in on the tidal wave as Zin'azshari was build on the well of eternity which was land locked.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

On topic now: Seafearer/Pirate/Jungle Island content in 10.2/3 or 11.0?

Between the statues in the vault, the pirate ships, nightsquall, monkey/tel'abim rare etc I feel like the likelihood we are getting a jungle island / pirate continent is pretty high.

Outside of Tel'abim I have no idea how or where this would fit in lorewise though so I'm suspicious it may be a diversion / patch content.

Any thoughts?

On the subject of water, I don't understand why Blizzard hasn't implemented 3D oceans yet, given that they did it in Exile's Reach. The beach waves from Isle of Thunder also never showed up again either.

[Fahrad Wagner]

On the subject of water, I don't understand why Blizzard hasn't implemented 3D oceans yet, given that they did it in Exile's Reach. The beach waves from Isle of Thunder also never showed up again either.

I genuinely forgot about the waves in Isle of Thunder, that was cool

[Jekyll]

On the subject of water, I don't understand why Blizzard hasn't implemented 3D oceans yet, given that they did it in Exile's Reach. The beach waves from Isle of Thunder also never showed up again either.

If we get to visit Exile Reach in the future, I hope it would be either be the Necromancer's class area or Ogre's starting zone.

[Nymrohd]

If he was locked to the sea he couldn’t actually be by Zin'azshari before the sundering he would have had to ride in on the tidal wave as Zin'azshari was build on the well of eternity which was land locked.

The titan facility that kept him trapped was fairly close to Nazjatar. Do we know how fast the Well formed? Certainly there was an original burst of Azerite but the Well itself was mostly water (tinged with a lot of Azerite but still water) so it likely formed naturally with perhaps some titanforged assistance to purify it. Is it that unlikely for N'zoth to have been close by or even moved towards the wound and be trapped by the Keepers in a facility within the wound that was forming? The water could have come later. Alternatively his facility could be adjoining or beneath the lake bed and got revealed by the Sundering.

Anyway on the pirate topic. It is entirely possible for the pirates to be present in some islands close by Avaloren on the other side of Azeroth. Heck I'd say finding isles full of pirates to the east of STV makes sense; the Bloodsail fleet came from that direction. Scarlets' leaving from Tyr's Hand to points south could also have arrived to Avaloren.

I think BfA wasted much of the theme of Islands by shoving the entire concept in Island Expeditions, an activity that while decent by the end of the expansion, by design did not lend to exploration by forcing you to rush (plus we should have gotten our own customizable ship!). Thus I'd love for it to be revisited. Give me my Windwaker fantasy. However I think BfA is still quite recent.