The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hitei]

Then if anything, that just solidifies that it is real assuming that the laptop leak is actually real. ANd tbh honest i am not sure how you can even tell with such low pixels. No disrespect, but that is some copium level stuff.

I dunno why you'd assume the laptop leak is real. It's significantly worse than the screenshots.

[Dismayxz]

I'm all for speculation but when we don't know what it would even be about safe for bits and pieces of information, there's no point to I dunno, gaslight your own speculation into this idea that it just HAS to be bad based of limited info.

[JMitchy96]

Well then...

I am sure this will end the debate once and for all.

???

[Nize]

I've yet to see someone post a pillar that looks like the one in the "leak". Similar doesn't suffice because the leaker would actually have to either A) create a new model that looks different or B) Edit the existing model somehow to make it different.

Gryphon statue is also NOT the same as the one in Aerie Peak. I posted about this yesterday going into detail after carefully comparing and traveling to Aerie Peak to see different angles. Notably, the head/chest area is more separate and gryphon's head is held higher. Wings are further back and texturing in the wingpit area are different. So unless there's OTHER bird statues in Aerie peak I might be missing, that's not the one.

There's a bunch of other new models in the leak as well. The fake leaker would have to CREATE these new models from scratch or somehow get access to edit these models.

So either this fake leaker went through hours and hours of creating assets for the leak which is insane BUT possible or this leak is actually real.

[Worldshaper]

You're making up the expansion story in your head and trying to use that made up story to argue against something we have no info on other than some probably real screenshots.

No? I'm reading the information coming officially from Blizzard.

Earthen
Khaz Algar
Fissure at Sector AR-938
Erinethria
Green dragon brood
Eonar
Elun'Ahir
Elune
Storms
Odyn
Heretics
Expeditions
Thrall
Nightsquall
Pirates
Ocean
Storming Sea
Sea monsters
Xal'atath
Harbinger
Queen Azshara
Iridikron
Dragon Aspects
Tyr

Not really getting a desert vibe from any of that.

[Wangming]

Okay just to make sure we don't only talk about the "super interesting and new" zones.
This thread randomly dropped with their version of a "leak"

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...rcraft-Origins

Level cap 80
Dwarves play a very important role
New canctuary called Algarian, located in Silithus
Azeroth is not the same
Learn your race origins and gain unique new abilities and traits (racials)
New race customizations trough your origins
No new continents
Guild tribes (guild housing)
New item type: Ancient relics, stats + spell modifier
Class order halls will teach a new specialization
Glyphforge - customize spell animations
Learn every gathering profession
No new battlegrounds or arenas
Exclusive PvP zones, warmode is gone
PvP warfronts is a thing
New raid type: Mega Raid with giant bosses and puzzles
1 New Raid
2 Mega dungeons
Normal dungeons happens directly in azeroth zones
New allied races: Gnoll for alliance and Ogres for horde

Slightly changes are possible, but this is it.
)

First of all I have to say I really dig the title. Origins ain't the most expressive, but it can mean a lot of cool things and evokes a sense of mystery.
Are we going to uncover secrets?
Are we going to actually time travel?
Origins of what?

It also carries a sense of returning to basics.

"Canctuary" is probably neutral city. It is probably Algar and not Algarian, but okay. Places it at Silithus like the scarab leaks and Bellular.

Not sure what race origins we still have to learn, but I like the unique racial ideas. Also this isn't the first leak that mentions racial talent trees.
Dunno why they would call them tribes, but I fully support guild housing.
Can't comment on the item types cause I don't even understand it.
Spell transmog sounds cool and I'm sure some versions of this have been asked for for years.
Also hell yes for all gathering professions being available. If having all professions on one character does not kill the FFXIV economy, it won't hurt in WoW either.
No new battlegrounds is a bummer, but pvp zones sounds cool.
Warmode being gone sucks. I mean I never used it, but it feels like it will cause a huge uproar.
Dunno how more mega a raid can be, but I'm all for puzzles.
That bit about normal dungeons is way too broken for me to understand.
Not sure about Gnolls, but if the Horde finally gets Ogres, this expansion will sell like hotcakes.

Oh yes, Azeroth is not the same probably means a revamp. I mean it does say no new continent.

[milkmustache]

Full Stack Web person here, thought i'd share: many projects i've worked on were "Mobile Ready" while using stand-in text (yep, frustrating!). usually it's a rough draft of the final text using approximated word length/word count to inform layout + design. on projects i'm comfy with, i'll write the stand-in myself just to bypass a bottleneck, knowing that it'll get a final pass later. any team member could have written that (:

also, i noticed many comments about the perspective being off too, so i used the Perspective Warp tool in Photoshop. it is indeed an optical illusion~

but does any of this confirm it's real?
nope :þ

Great point on the temporary copy. The thing that is a red flag to me is the placement of "Khaz Algar" and "The Everward" on the side margins. Would you agree that typically those would be further in, if there at all? They seem far too close to the edge of the screens for modern web design.

[Samin]

perspective adjusted:



it's not misaligned (:

see also:
my post about it
Hitei's post about it

The misalignment argument always was weird to me. Who photoshops this on an image of an angled laptop? Surely they would create the website/image and than take a picture of the laptop.

is this rly gona happen

also it remainds me of this un'goro (and other zones) titan balconies

It's not your fault, but if you think these are the same shape, you have some kind of shape dyslexia. The top is just shaped very differently. Many people already pointed out what those BlizzCon pillars actually are.

Blizzard will really not leak new assets on the official Twitter. They'll try to avoid doing it accidently, they definitely won't do it this overtly. They just don't, no matter how much you think they seed leaks to stir up hype. They don't.

[TeamWorldRevamp]

so any new leaks real or nah

It looks real...sadly.

[Demonly]

I respectfully disagree. Yes I am well aware that much of the zones in previous trailers are quite distinct. Also, if you look at the image here all of the zones here have quite a good contrast between each other. I am afraid what is happening here is just a ton of copium or disbelief, so people are looking ways to justify that it is fake.

I do not believe the images are fake. However, the laptop leak with the website is fake because it uses a well known background image.

I keep seeing people state this, but I have numerous times pointed out that it's not. Please provide the background image again and look for the "hole" section in the mountain peak, it doesn't line up with the concept art we've seen before.

[Picle]

I dunno why you'd assume the laptop leak is real. It's significantly worse than the screenshots.

agreed, it's fishy. just not for the reasons stated over + over + over again

[Kiria]

No? I'm reading the information coming officially from Blizzard.

Earthen
Khaz Algar
Fissure at Sector AR-938
Erinethria
Green dragon brood
Eonar
Elun'Ahir
Elune
Storms
Odyn
Heretics
Expeditions
Thrall
Nightsquall
Pirates
Ocean
Storming Sea
Sea monsters
Xal'atath
Harbinger
Queen Azshara
Iridikron
Dragon Aspects
Tyr

Not really getting a desert vibe from any of that.

Need I remind you of the Badlands? There's Titan tech there oh also a Dungeon and guess what, Badlands is also a very desert area.

[micwini]

I've yet to see someone post a pillar that looks like the one in the "leak". Similar doesn't suffice because the leaker would actually have to either A) create a new model that looks different or B) Edit the existing model somehow to make it different.

Gryphon statue is also NOT the same as the one in Aerie Peak. I posted about this yesterday going into detail after carefully comparing and traveling to Aerie Peak to see different angles. Notably, the head/chest area is more separate and gryphon's head is held higher. Wings are further back and texturing in the wingpit area are different. So unless there's OTHER bird statues in Aerie peak I might be missing, that's not the one.

There's a bunch of other new models in the leak as well. The fake leaker would have to CREATE these new models from scratch or somehow get access to edit these models.

So either this fake leaker went through hours and hours of creating assets for the leak which is insane BUT possible or this leak is actually real.

Different top, but apart from that it is the same one

[Worldshaper]

I think Occam's Razor dictates it's real. I think folks forget that Blizzard artists are just people, and their work isn't perfect. These press kit images are also often WIPs. It's pre-alpha footage after all.

If it is fake, it's the best fake leak I've ever seen, and I've followed every leak season closely since Wrath.

I would love to be wrong though. This just looks like DF 2.0 to me. Was hoping for something more interesting, or at least more rooted in Alliance/Horde themes rather than more primal elements.

Occam's Razor says it's fake, if anything.

What's more likely?

A - Four screenshots that seem to feature re-used, low-quality, and modified fan art based on old in-game assets, put together incohesively and without much to distinguish them from what we already have in the Dragon Isles, end up being real and leaking the 10th expansion coming out on WoW's 20th anniversary, co-written by Chris Metzen.

B - It's fake and somebody who reads the speculation on this forum, and is good at these things, did it to have a bit of fun.

[D4NNYB0Y]

Okay just to make sure we don't only talk about the "super interesting and new" zones.
This thread randomly dropped with their version of a "leak"

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...rcraft-Origins



First of all I have to say I really dig the title. Origins ain't the most expressive, but it can mean a lot of cool things and evokes a sense of mystery.
Are we going to uncover secrets?
Are we going to actually time travel?
Origins of what?

It also carries a sense of returning to basics.

"Canctuary" is probably neutral city. It is probably Algar and not Algarian, but okay. Places it at Silithus like the scarab leaks and Bellular.

Not sure what race origins we still have to learn, but I like the unique racial ideas. Also this isn't the first leak that mentions racial talent trees.
Dunno why they would call them tribes, but I fully support guild housing.
Can't comment on the item types cause I don't even understand it.
Spell transmog sounds cool and I'm sure some versions of this have been asked for for years.
Also hell yes for all gathering professions being available. If having all professions on one character does not kill the FFXIV economy, it won't hurt in WoW either.
No new battlegrounds is a bummer, but pvp zones sounds cool.
Warmode being gone sucks. I mean I never used it, but it feels like it will cause a huge uproar.
Dunno how more mega a raid can be, but I'm all for puzzles.
That bit about normal dungeons is way too broken for me to understand.
Not sure about Gnolls, but if the Horde finally gets Ogres, this expansion will sell like hotcakes.

Oh yes, Azeroth is not the same probably means a revamp. I mean it does say no new continent.

Origins reminds me too much of Assassin's Creed: Origins and Dragon Age: Origins.

[Worldshaper]

Can we stop bringing up Elune? lol She's probably going to be VERY important for the post-10.2 raid stuff, but that's it.

She's important in the sense that we've yet to see the "realms of Life", and they are heavily teased in one of the 10.2 books. She also gave Elun'Ahir to Eonar, and is responsible for Amirdrassil. If 11.0 ends up being some type of "life and order goes rogue together in Avaloren" expansion, then Elune is obviously part of it in some way. Even if she's just in the background.

[Dismayxz]

No? I'm reading the information coming officially from Blizzard.

Earthen
Khaz Algar
Fissure at Sector AR-938
Erinethria
Green dragon brood
Eonar
Elun'Ahir
Elune
Storms
Odyn
Heretics
Expeditions
Thrall
Nightsquall
Pirates
Ocean
Storming Sea
Sea monsters
Xal'atath
Harbinger
Queen Azshara
Iridikron
Dragon Aspects
Tyr

Not really getting a desert vibe from any of that.

Literal Rocky Canyon/Desert zone doesn't fit: Earthen. Potential Fissure somewhere. Heretics (very non-specific, outside of.. their political alignment to the titans). Thrall (Formerly the Earth-Warder, Earthen Ring, again.. place that looks capable of representing Earth as an Element, doesn't.. fit a Shaman?). Iridikron. Dude's literally a Rock. I mean.. I fucking love your speculations over the course of the Thread, but.. there's vague fits, at the least and the information you've listed is still ultimately completely out of context, because we don't actually HAVE factual Context for how each of these pieces ultimately fits into the expansion narrative.

[Nightshade711]

So either this fake leaker went through hours and hours of creating assets for the leak which is insane BUT possible or this leak is actually real.

I think that is a definite (but very low) possibility. But probably not as a “made it just to leak” kinda thing.

Probably something for RP or someone’s personal fun project IF it is fake.
Kind of like the revamped Dalaran picture or something like this I found on Twitter:

[Worldshaper]

Need I remind you of the Badlands? There's Titan tech there oh also a Dungeon and guess what, Badlands is also a very desert area.

What does the Badlands have to do with any of this, though?

[Northelim]

I dunno why you'd assume the laptop leak is real. It's significantly worse than the screenshots.

With the same token, why would you assume it's fake?