The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[huth]

Naga only existed after the Sundering... the even after which the Aspect could not access their isle anymore. Was Neltharion there after the sundering? (It is technical a separate isle I guess)

... or the devs forgot about their own lore again.

Aren't those mindbender eggs?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The titan facility that kept him trapped was fairly close to Nazjatar. Do we know how fast the Well formed? Certainly there was an original burst of Azerite but the Well itself was mostly water (tinged with a lot of Azerite but still water) so it likely formed naturally with perhaps some titanforged assistance to purify it. Is it that unlikely for N'zoth to have been close by or even moved towards the wound and be trapped by the Keepers in a facility within the wound that was forming? The water could have come later. Alternatively his facility could be adjoining or beneath the lake bed and got revealed by the Sundering.

The well of eternity wasn't water it was all azerite or the azerite equivalent of back then and is described as a “lake of scintillating energy”, the old gods were also captured where they were the titans literally build there prisons on top of them.

Though going through chronicles N’zoth was the closest to the well though he was also land Locked which makes it kinda weird he’s the deep sea old god and not C’thun.



Either way though Nazjatar had to have been moved closer to his prison with the sundering or after it given the distance between him and the well.

[Nymrohd]

Though going through chronicles N’zoth was the closest to the well though he was also land Locked which makes it kinda weird he’s the deep sea old god and not C’thun.

You know he was always called the God of the Deep. But that doesn't mean the deep sea. Could simply be the god of the underground; maybe most of N'zoth was beneath those mountains. Would explain how he whispered to Deathwing.

[huth]

Though going through chronicles N’zoth was the closest to the well though he was also land Locked which makes it kinda weird he’s the deep sea old god and not C’thun.

Do remember the timeframe here. N'zoth spent the last 10,000 years underwater.

[Nymrohd]

Why do you keep talking about DTA lore despite the moderator's warning? Please refocus on the speculations of the patches and the next expansion...

You could contribute.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Why do you keep talking about DTA lore despite the moderator's warning? Please refocus on the speculations of the patches and the next expansion...

Because we have a patch about Deathwings hidden doing coming up and we just had a post about how he was keeping an eye on the future Naga Queen and the deep Sea.

The mod note is about arguing over lore it really shouldn’t apply to talking about the possible connection about The Naga still at large for future content and there possible ties to deathwing the focus on the next patch.

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Do remember the timeframe here. N'zoth spent the last 10,000 years underwater.

Well ya but he already has the fish thing going for him right when the well exploded, though I suppose that could just be him grabbing any thing near by and he wasn’t all about fish back then.

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You know he was always called the God of the Deep. But that doesn't mean the deep sea. Could simply be the god of the underground; maybe most of N'zoth was beneath those mountains. Would explain how he whispered to Deathwing.

That’s true I was just applying it to the sea as that was his thing post sundering but him being keeper then the rest underground would match up with how he was the one to turn deathwing.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

You know he was always called the God of the Deep. But that doesn't mean the deep sea. Could simply be the god of the underground; maybe most of N'zoth was beneath those mountains. Would explain how he whispered to Deathwing.

Which is odd considering most Old Gods were buried beneath the earth. Maybe he was deeper? /shrug

[Hellspawn]

Unless they have a mouse over tag saying there Naga they could just be any deep sea creature.

True, but its kind of sus since Azshara had literally nothing to do with ocean creatures before the sunder, she lived in a place that couldn't be more away from the ocean...



I kind of want a pre-ordering Azeroth expansion... but other side of Azeroth could be just that I guess...

[Sondrelk]

Which is odd considering most Old Gods were buried beneath the earth. Maybe he was deeper? /shrug

Honestly I love the idea that he was somewhere beneath the giant lake we see in the Azshara cinematic. Or at least one assumes it's a lake. I somehow doubt it was the well of eternity, given we see that The Eternal Palace and N'zoth is within spitting distance of where said cinematic took place.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I would rather Sargeras not be fought by players. A setting feels vast when there are things out there that are just too big to fight.

[enigma77]

As for the size?
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Free Deus Ex Machinas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57b6rXP6Spk

0:55

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Hate to be that guy but I think we shouldn't fight Sargeras.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I genuinely forgot about the waves in Isle of Thunder, that was cool

Didn't even know they were there. That's pretty sweet.

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There are MANY ways they can have the players fight him. Infact...

They just ADDED a free way for us to fight him. Might I introduce you to Zovaal?

That was not particularly well-received, I think.

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Hate to be that guy but I think we shouldn't fight Sargeras.

Ideally, we should do so at the very end of the franchise's – and I do mean the franchise, as opposed to the game's – lifespan. If we fight Sargeras, it should be the end of the story altogether, or immediately preceding it.

[Nymrohd]

We fought Sargeras. Mythic Gul'dan phase. He was possessing Illidan's body

[Luck4]

We fought Sargeras. Mythic Gul'dan phase. He was possessing Illidan's body

This is something that probably 90% + of the WoW community didn't acknowledge to this day, and I blame Blizzard for using Illidan voice without any changes/effects to make it more noticeable.

Personally, I don't want to fight Sargeras as a titan, nor any of these cosmic monsters out there. I would rather see characters being built upon, such as Illidan/Arthas/Garrosh/Medivh/Kil'jaeden/Kel'thuzad, and then killing/defeating them afterward.

I can't see the appeal of fighting mega monster nº 76 or the fallen god nº 16, it's lame.

Villains' characters need lore, even more lore than heroes to be compelling. For instance, I think it's a shame that Blizzard didn't make Sylvanas a killable "end-of-expansion" boss, she had a lot of development leading to it, that could've saved Shadowlands, imagine if in the 9.1 cinematic instead of turning against Zovaal she instead somehow took his new superpower effectively replacing him, and then turned more malefic than him before biting the dust for good in 9.2, that could've been glorious.

[Skildar]

We fought Sargeras. Mythic Gul'dan phase. He was possessing Illidan's body

I definitely missed out on this. Is the demon within phase meant to be this as well in black temple? It's a bit confusing

[Nymrohd]

I definitely missed out on this. Is the demon within phase meant to be this as well in black temple? It's a bit confusing

Nah in the Black Temple it is him using his demonic side. However the entire point of kidnapping Illidan was to use him as a vessel for Sargeras, throughout the fight, Gul'dan was trying to channel Sargeras into Illidan's body. In Mythic, he succeeds and we beat the partial possession out of him. If you check the encounter journal it is pretty clear.

And yeah, Blizzard did not tell the story properly nor give it the gravity it deserved.

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That's debatable. The Demon Within seems to talk about Sargeras in the Third Person and whatnot. If anything, it's likely just Illidan's Demonic Power spewing out of control against us.

Well Gul'dan did not think so

The husk of Illidan will prove an ideal vessel for my master's glory. Sargeras will rise, and together, we will watch your world burn.
Let the endgame begin!

[Luck4]

That's debatable. The Demon Within seems to talk about Sargeras in the Third Person and whatnot. If anything, it's likely just Illidan's Demonic Power spewing out of control against us.

These quotes are a giveaway though:

"You topple a pawn and presume to challenge its master? Such arrogance!"
"Behold the shadow of what is to come, the endless darkness that shall consume your world."

Gul'dan never worked under Illidan's command in any timeline, nor Illidan ever planed to destroy Azeroth, especially after what we learned about him in Legion.

[Nymrohd]

And I don't think Sargeras was like, fully inside yet (just the tip). Plus Aegwyn nearly solo'd Sargeras-possessed Medivh. I think the heroes of Azeroth fully decked in artifacts could win against barely-in Sargeras possessing the body of someone who had just been in a coma for about a decade.

[Luck4]

Illidan was supposed to be the new Avatar of Sargeras if we had failed at Nighthold.