The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[SloidVoid]

Every K'aresh denial is a dagger pressed against my cosmic heart

I wish Blizzard would hire you so Nexus can become a reality :c
I've wanted your expansion concept to be real ever since I first came across it in the "Twofold Light" era.

[Azalar]

It could be, but I'm not sure why Blizzard would tease a world tree there of all places. Keep in mind Freya planted multiple world trees within the dream. It's not impossible for one of them to have been in the Dream-version of Un'goro, sort of seeping its life-giving energies out into the physical realm. Another might have been in Scholazar, doing the same.

Yeah, that what I was thinking. While it would have been dope to use Un'goro as a newly rootlike area like in Elden Ring for Elun'ahir in Un'goro as part of a world revamp, having it in another place would still work. What I don't really like is that they're overusing the world tree concept a bit too much already.

[Xilurm]

It's definitely not painted...

I mean, technically everything in WoW is painted. But I don't think that's what you meant.

This does not look 3D to me.

[Azalar]

I wish Blizzard would hire you so Nexus can become a reality :c
I've wanted your expansion concept to be real ever since I first came across it in the "Twofold Light" era.

So do I mate, so do I... *goes to the corner and cries*

[Taurelius]

Teriz has a strong point.

We literally no nothing about it. Relax people.

[Rathwell]

So is it a mount or a dwarf? Wouldn't it technically be the Stormrider's Stormrider? Or the Stormrider's Gyphon?

Bear with me here...

[Paula Deen]

Bear with me here...

Confirmed.

[Worldshaper]

Yeah, that what I was thinking. While it would have been dope to use Un'goro as a newly rootlike area like in Elden Ring for Elun'ahir in Un'goro as part of a world revamp, having it in another place would still work. What I don't really like is that they're overusing the world tree concept a bit too much already.

Yeah, I agree. I love the lore around the world trees, but it really was perfect already when it was just Nordrassil standing tall on Mount Hyjal.

I loved Teldrassil, but lorewise it always felt a bit "+1" compared to Nordrassil imo. Then going through multiple expansions with similar trees, like Shaladrassil, the Heart of the Forest or whatever it's called in Ardenweald, and now this... it'll be nice with a shift away from that.

[Dismayxz]

It could be, but I'm not sure why Blizzard would tease a world tree there of all places. Keep in mind Freya planted multiple world trees within the dream. It's not impossible for one of them to have been in the Dream-version of Un'goro, sort of seeping its life-giving energies out into the physical realm. Another might have been in Scholazar, doing the same.

Hear me out, it might be the pixelation (highly likely to be), but the titan pillars with the orbs here look a whole lot more like they are filling the "lamp post" role more than anything. The Golems running around also are the same sort of Golem model we've had, they use for the ones in old Un'goro Crater (obviously those are/were a bit dated in looks). But you know what looks weird to me? The shit that's kind of looks like small, very thin rays of Sunshine poking through across the image. It doesn't actually look a whole lot like godrays and more like rays of light coming from a different light source. What if this actuall is an Underground Un'goro, like an underground Hollow Earth (I know we've had this topic before) jungle and those rays are coming from bigger titan orbs or light sources hung up around Elun'ahir or somehow coming off of Elun'ahir, like the top of the tree is actually the biggest light source of the cavern?

[ercarp]

Bear with me here...

Metzen won't be happy about you leaking this...

[Teriz]

Strange take considering most people seem to have disliked 4/5 of those characters contributions to DF, and the stars of the show so to speak of DF are 3 primal incarnates that didn't exist at all before this expansion.

Really? I thought people really liked Wrathion and Ebyssian renewing the black dragonflight, as well as Kalecgos' narrative.

Regardless, that's after the fact. I'm talking about the hype train that got us excited to go to the dragon isles, and that was largely because we knew that we had major and popular characters tied to that location.

Here you possibly have Elune, Odyn, Eonar, and presumably Iridikron + Xal'Atath. Do I think a location needs to be tied to old lore characters? No. Pandaria was great.

Look at that list though, they're freaking gods or keepers. For example, if you're an Orc warrior or a Human Rogue, why would you care about the Night Elf moon goddess?

[Harbour]

Im certainly HIGH on copium, but the completely underwhelming nature of the leaks makes me think its a stunt coordinated with Blizzard.
So when Metzen comes on stage at Blizzcon he will troll us, saying something like "Oh i heard that you all saw some pics on the Internet. Silly you, check out the REAL expansion" and then everyone would be blown by non-Avaloren expansion and ask Blizzard for two pre-orders.

Either that or its just the good work of one fan who loves to capitalize on leak season.

These new pictures with Spanish text in them and ship in the sea have clear AI nature. I made too much AI art to not spot the basic AI pattern. That guy who made those screenshots and the guy who leaked previous 4 zones are most likely the same person who either from Spain or know spanish. Probably the one who 'leaked' the Storms of Avaloren are also that same person.
You see, when three different leaks point at the same single or two things, it raises the questions 'Why just that specifically? How come three different persons decided to post the same specific info, leaving the rest 90% of it?"

Either that or Blizzard fired their artists and started to use AI for their art. Which is insane.

Also these leaks are way too focused on the words "AVALOREN" and "ALGAR", because guess what thats mainly what everyone knows. Why werent some features leaked on those screenshots? Old characters with new design or stock players character showcasing new armor?

Because the fake maker most likely couldnt think of them. Its way easier to just 'leak' zone screenshots, some ogre dude and put AVALOREN and ALGAR everywhere.

[Worldshaper]

Bear with me here...

Holy crap guys, this is it!

Occam's razor and the website leak and stuff, it all fits! How on earth would anyone possibly be able to create something as detailed as this?

[Well Done Steak]

Perhaps, but I have a sinking suspicion that there won’t be too many players enthused about going to yet another mysterious, primordial continent for the second expansion in a row. Especially a mysterious primordial continent with no major character to hook us to that location. At least with the dragon isles we had Alex, Nozdurmu, Chromie, Kalecgos, and Wrathion.

What do we have here? Odyn? Who cares about Odyn?

In all fairness, pandaria had that same issue and the lore was great.

[Dismayxz]

In all fairness, pandaria had that same issue and the lore was great.

The Thunder King came and went so quickly, yet he really had something going.

[Teriz]

In all fairness, pandaria had that same issue and the lore was great.

Pandaria had Chen Stormstout and the Pandarens; One of the most popular characters from WC3, and one of the most requested races in WoW per Chris Metzen.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

In all fairness, pandaria had that same issue and the lore was great.

The difference is that at the time, no one actually knew how genius MoP was set up until after the expansion ended several years later.

Like if you actually look at MoP at the time it was the current expansion, no thoughts/head empty until like the Garrosh bell incident with Jainas genocide even then it was not a widespread knowledge about how damn good MoP was.

Again, MoP is only observed as the best made expansion from a narrative development and structure long, long after and somehow it feels too perfect for it to be not just coincidental.


Obviously the fanbase who care about Narrative is now very much more awake and understand the deeper levels but to say that a large percentile of Narrative fans understood the genius of MoP is definitely revisionism.

[Worldshaper]

Hear me out, it might be the pixelation (highly likely to be), but the titan pillars with the orbs here look a whole lot more like they are filling the "lamp post" role more than anything. The Golems running around also are the same sort of Golem model we've had, they use for the ones in old Un'goro Crater (obviously those are/were a bit dated in looks). But you know what looks weird to me? The shit that's kind of looks like small, very thin rays of Sunshine poking through across the image. It doesn't actually look a whole lot like godrays and more like rays of light coming from a different light source. What if this actuall is an Underground Un'goro, like an underground Hollow Earth (I know we've had this topic before) jungle and those rays are coming from bigger titan orbs or light sources hung up around Elun'ahir or somehow coming off of Elun'ahir, like the top of the tree is actually the biggest light source of the cavern?

It's a neat theory, but I really think they're just god rays. The forest looks bright enough for there not to have to be lightposts that glow in the middle of the day.

To me, those lamps or pillars just further show why this is fake. We literally had the BlizzCon prep images on Twitter the other day. It was the hot new thing when this guy was creating these screenshots. In the screenshot, they also look very dodgy and low-poly, by te way.

But I think this guy simply didn't get the memo that the pillars were just Valdrakken props for the BlizzCon Warcraft area. When he made the image, he probably still thought they were confirmed for the next expansion, so he decided to include them but had to do it quickly (hence the low quality).

[Well Done Steak]

Pandaria had Chen Stormstout and the Pandarens; One of the most popular characters from WC3, and one of the most requested races in WoW per Chris Metzen.

Maybe during WC3, but you could argue that the vast majority of wow players didn't care or knew about chen... Or even knew wtf pandaria was

At least odyn jas been in our face since legion and has grown a hate boner by players. And he's about to be in our face in 10.2 again

[Paula Deen]

Im certainly HIGH on copium, but the completely underwhelming nature of the leaks makes me think its a stunt coordinated with Blizzard.
So when Metzen comes on stage at Blizzcon he will troll us, saying something like "Oh i heard that you all saw some pics on the Internet. Silly you, check out the REAL expansion" and then everyone would be blown by non-Avaloren expansion and ask Blizzard for two pre-orders.

Either that or its just the good work of one fan who loves to capitalize on leak season.

These new pictures with Spanish text in them and ship in the sea have clear AI nature. I made too much AI art to not spot the basic AI pattern. That guy who made those screenshots and the guy who leaked previous 4 zones are most likely the same person who either from Spain or know spanish. Probably the one who 'leaked' the Storms of Avaloren are also that same person.
You see, when three different leaks point at the same single or two things, it raises the questions 'Why just that specifically? How come three different persons decided to post the same specific info, leaving the rest 90% of it?"

Either that or Blizzard fired their artists and started to use AI for their art. Which is insane.

Also these leaks are way too focused on the words "AVALOREN" and "ALGAR", because guess what thats mainly what everyone knows. Why werent some features leaked on those screenshots? Old characters with new design or stock players character showcasing new armor?

Because the fake maker most likely couldnt think of them. Its way easier to just 'leak' zone screenshots, some ogre dude and put AVALOREN and ALGAR everywhere.

When did I miss this?