The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

What you're saying is that statues we find in Gilneas or Kul Tiras should look exactly like the ones we see in Stormwind. The earthen of Khaz Algar came to be "vast swathes of time and distance" from the dwarves of Khaz Modan. It's one thing that they share similarities between their two cultures. It's another thing that their sculptors just had the exact same idea, down to the detail of what their sculptures should look like.

I am pretty sure there is a high quality eagle statue in Trueshot Lodge with the exact same pose the big one in the Hinterlands has, so could be that one as well.

[Chickat]

It's less strong when you realize that the other half of his argument is turning around and pretending the playerbase would be ecstatic about a goblin continent.

I actually think the player base would prefer Undermine continent to Dragon Isles 2.0.

[Izalla]

New gold sink mount is an Algarian pack giraffe with a mailbag and a banker. 10,000,000 gold price for capped out auction house barons who scored big with DF Lariat work orders early on.

My source is legit this leak is definitely very real not fake trust me bro no haters allowed.

#TeamGiraffe

[Kiria]

I had to back out of this thread for a while as the animosity of people trying to prove eachother right and others out right insulting posters for speculating was disgusting, this was meant to be a fun thread, it's been ruined now!

[Hitei]

Tbh every expansion exists off modifying existing assets.
Even Shadowlands which was supposed to be this completely new place was mostly modified assets.

Ardenweald fawns were Draenei. Kyrian were modified Val’kyr. Etc etc etc

Sure. But let's use that as an example:



Here is a press kit image.

"Woah, that's just a reskinned Draenei!" Sure, I guess. We can put aside that this is a completely different order of modification from the supposed leak's stone dwarf or direhorn reskin, but sure. It's just a Draenei.

So let's ignore that Draenei reskin altogether, and the reskinned grub. What do you have?

-Brand new faerie mobs right there.
-Brand new plant-pod doodads.
-Brand new swirly trees
-Brand new glow bushes
-brand new frond plants

This is my issue. That is what appears to be missing here. You can pause the DF or BfA feature trailers at any frame and there is some new architecture, or new doodads, or new creature, or new and interesting trees visible. Here, even if we assume these are "bad" pictures taken from a much better trailer, we have four different scenes with seemingly little to nothing new.

[Chickat]

The Thunder King came and went so quickly, yet he really had something going.

Thunder King eas created and killed within 6 months of his coming into the game.

Thunder King IMO is a top 10 Warcraft villain.

[Ebonn]

I had to back out of this thread for a while as the animosity of people trying to prove eachother right and others out right insulting posters for speculating was disgusting, this was meant to be a fun thread, it's been ruined now!

Was about to say the same thing, it’s painful to read through at this point. So much arrogance for people who don’t know what they’re talking about. Honestly can’t wait for all the “if the expansion isn’t ___ or like ____ I’m quitting” to quit lol.

[milkmustache]

I am pretty sure there is a high quality eagle statue in Trueshot Lodge with the exact same pose the big one in the Hinterlands has, so could be that one as well.

This is the one I believe you're referring to from Trueshot Lodge, the Visage of Ohn'ahra.

This is the Aerie Peak one.

Very similar, the Trueshot Lodge one like you said obviously being updated in quality, but a lot smaller.

[Ferlion]

I mean, again. There'd probably be architecture of them. It's their 'creations' that went rogue/are the heretics here, the things that would usually build said architecture if I'm not mistaken. In the screenshots it doesn't look well kept or totally run down, but that just.. makes sense, just because you'd disagree with the way your Boss did things, doesn't mean you wouldn't take some care of what you DO have, even if it still kind of relates to the 'old ways' in this scenario. In fact, the only times it shows titan architecture at all, there's also Titan Golems around and it's a literal jungle, I don't think Golems have the capability to rebel, necessarily? Perhaps that Zone hasn't been touched much by the heretics at all since their cut ties and it's just the remnant Golems taking care of it/keeping the lights on.

Which would be a point we're I only talking about architecture. But let's assume I am for the sake of argument even if I'm not. Again, take a look at kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms.

Take a look at how much they changed throughout history of just the past 10,000 years. And Blizzard doesn't operate like that.

Even Dragons, which we've seen in the game since the start, we're given a unique architecture and clothing style

Ogre from WoD we're different looking than vanilla ogres who had up until then had caves and such as buildings.

This is not how blizzard operates on a "We're introducing something new".

Even the Zandalari were given a unique look and not just troll stuff, even before they were playable

[Nebron]

Lol @ all the people going, "THERE'S RE-USED ASSETS IN THIS, FAKE CONFIRMED!!!!11one" as if Blizzard have never re-used assets before in a new game...

I'm not saying it's real or fake, just that using "re-used assets" as a reason why it's fake is silly.

Or is it? Blizzard do re-use the assets. But if these images are fake, the first thing people would look for are exactly the assets that are already in the game. I'm not an artist myself, but I can image it's ten times easier to create a believable leak with re-used assets than to make ones themself, especially those, that would fit the WoW aesthetics perfectly.

So it's not that much of a stretch to assume the leak based on the re-used assets is fake-ish, even more:

A) if that's literally a promotion material;
B) if the amount of the assets that has been pointed out to be re-used is pretty large for so little - just four pictures;

All I'm trying to say, is that if the leak had only original assets that would certainly spice the things up more - and since there are quite a few of re-used ones, and there's even a tree that's literally 1:1 copy, it's not surprising to see this as an argument - and saying for myself - pretty convicing one.

[Kiria]

Was about to say the same thing, it’s painful to read through at this point. So much arrogance for people who don’t know what they’re talking about. Honestly can’t wait for all the “if the expansion isn’t ___ or like ____ I’m quitting” to quit lol.

I'm just gonna sit back and read now, no longer respond but I'm just going to wait on the Blizzcon reveal, at least I can enjoy that cuddled up on the couch, have fun y'all o/

[Chickat]

The difference is that at the time, no one actually knew how genius MoP was set up until after the expansion ended several years later.

Like if you actually look at MoP at the time it was the current expansion, no thoughts/head empty until like the Garrosh bell incident with Jainas genocide even then it was not a widespread knowledge about how damn good MoP was.

Again, MoP is only observed as the best made expansion from a narrative development and structure long, long after and somehow it feels too perfect for it to be not just coincidental.


Obviously the fanbase who care about Narrative is now very much more awake and understand the deeper levels but to say that a large percentile of Narrative fans understood the genius of MoP is definitely revisionism.

I dont claim to speak for anyone but myself, but I was one of the only MoP champions when it was current. I loved it grom start to finish. It aside from the content draught at the end, was a literal Masterpiece in my view. I got a lot of shit for liking it back in the day too.

[milkmustache]

This is my issue. That is what appears to be missing here. You can pause the DF or BfA feature trailers at any frame and there is some new architecture, or new doodads, or new creature, or new and interesting trees visible. Here, even if we assume these are "bad" pictures taken from a much better trailer, we have four different scenes with seemingly little to nothing new.

Another brilliant breakdown. You're absolutely right about this, there is more reused assets than new assets for us to takeaway from these screenshots up to the point where they feel very intentionally staged to represent this sort of zone overview.

[flan1337]

https://i.imgur.com/gFffJI8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/cOM4Eff.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vbhHBiq.jpg

now that is fake

[Sondrelk]

This is the one I believe you're referring to from Trueshot Lodge, the Visage of Ohn'ahra.

This is the Aerie Peak one.

Very similar, the Trueshot Lodge one like you said obviously being updated in quality, but a lot smaller.

The one from Legion would still be muh better quality, even scaled up to that size, so I imagine that one could have been used if you need something that looks like the Wildhammer one, but only from a distance.

[Imotbh]

blizzard already confirmed this is the last raid tier and you'll most likely get season 4/fated in 10.2.7

Have they? I don't think so. We have clues about it but no official confirmation IIRC.

[micwini]

Thunder King eas created and killed within 6 months of his coming into the game.

Thunder King IMO is a top 10 Warcraft villain.

Indeed. He was built up during 5.0 (and maybe a little in 5.1?). And then offed in 5.2. It was a low stakes villian. The greatest part about him at the time was that he just died in the past of old age, not because he was killed or anything.

[Sinstrike]

The "hopium" for 10.3 Is the tweets by the man himself.

"The most news this year"

Then streamers/youtubers constantly talking about how WoW will have more stuff than normal shown at blizzcon this year.

I can see it now:

"Introducing Patch 10.3: Storms of Avaloren

Traverse through not one, not two, not three, but FOUR distinct zones as we explore the continent of Avaloren. Along your adventures you'll run into an expansions worth of new creatures and locations. We made an entire expansion announcement video to coincide with a patch that we took great measure to subtly communicate to you didn't exist, so that we could surprise you with an entire expansion before we announce the REAL expansion - World of Warcraft: Secrets of the Copium Den

**Coming Fall of 2027 because we spent an entire expansion development cycle's budget on a patch**"

[Krakerz]

IMO it's not about 'reused' assets in the images - it's the lack of obviously new assets. Go back to any previous Features Overview trailer and try to find a shot that doesn't prominently feature new architecture/props front and center. You'll find maybe two.

Also, whenever there's a creature model shown there's always multiple and usually they're interacting in some way. The dwarf and the snow leopard are just chilling there with no purpose.

[NjornHammer]

Man, I wish my fake leak was real now