The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Rathwell]

Was there actually a second leaker? I remember someone who it turns out was obviously piggy backing on what scaleface was saying but any extra bit of info or deviation from what scaleface said was wrong.

I could be mistaken, I'll have to go back and have a look!

[Reive]

does really matter which "leak" is real? they're all underwhelming as fuck. not something you'd expect for the 20th anniversary of the game nor for an expansion that is supposed to breathe new life into retail. meh, classic might truly be the way

[Al Gorefiend]

Avaloren does *exist*, one way or the other. Whether it will be part of this coming expansion is what we will find out. By the way, what is your take on this SoA leaker?

I think this expansion leak is plausible. It all lines up, Avaloren sounds exactly boring enough to be what I expected from Blizzard when creating a completely new, no previous lore entries continent.

Honestly, I expected as much. They have a tight rope to cross not damaging old lore, but they must, MUST, create new lore. This isn't bad for their first entry as a completely made-up-on-the-spotland.

Consider the corner the community has been forcing Blizzard into as they gain feedback over the years.

- More grounded, less otherworldly stories - lessen learned from Shadowlands
- No more faction war (feedback starting with Stormheim and culminating with mass dislike of BfA)
- Less Orcs & Humans (feedback starting with WoD, coincidentally look at the following expacs. BfA was heavy on Gnomes, Kul'Tirans, Night Elves & Dwarves)
- More character choice (feedback starting since.. forever? But they loosened the belt after BfA with overhauling customization and offering more class choice.
- Less retcons/continuity errors/powercreeping (After Shadowlands especially. I do not think we will ever see a random big bad like The Jailer again, I doubt even Blizzard wants to remember he exists)
- No more AP/Mission Tables

So we see Dragonflight formed with all this feedback in mind. How well do you think it succeeded?

[Izalla]

I'm looking back and I'm starting to believe you can gauge the legitimacy of a leak by the ratio of "exactly what everyone has been talking about for months" vs "wait, what?"

Bfa fake leaks:
-Lordaeron Revamp
-N'zoth escaped while we were fighting the Legion/N'zoth is getting freed by the sword
-Azshara raises Nazjatar from the ocean!
-Southseas expansion with all the islands we've ever heard of!

real leaks:
-Sylvanas destroys Teldrassil, Anduin destroys UC, people are stealing stuff from the sword impact, and also you get "VOID ELVES"


SL fake leaks:
-Lordaeron Revamp
-Northrend Revamp
-Sylvanas becomes the Lich Queen
-N'zoth is in the shadowlands now and drinking everyone's soul!

real leaks:
-Spirit healer cities in the sky! Bolvar turns blue and wields a warhammer now!

DF fake leaks:
-Lordaeron Revamp
-It's the dragon isles from the concept art and there's old gods on it!
-SL races are becoming allied races, seriously, please. Please? trust me!
-Galakkrond is the villain! And also Murozond.

real leaks:
-Alexstrasza new drip, weird dragon humanoi playable raceclass with color magic that turn into sparkle humans!, some random stone guy


Therefore I have safely applied this formula and calculated that this round of leaks are all fake. Because they are all just about the not-earthen and odyn/tyr and alvaloren and other crap we have been talking about for months, and none of them have some weird shit out of nowhere that no one was expecting.

How soon after the Algarian Stormrider leak was the first "leak" which included mention of dwarves? And was there a single "leak" before the mount name leaked that mentioned dwarves?

[Aradur]

the expansion gameplay features are the friends we made along the way.

fuck that, I want housing!

[Hitei]

Kalimdor getting zero love in any of these.

It's coming after the Lordaeron revamp :^)

[Nebron]

the expansion gameplay features are the friends we made along the way.

Power of Friendship? Should suffice for the Old Gods.

[Al Gorefiend]

Dont forget the Legion leaker. He posted those cryptic little sentences like "Why is Thrall Green?" "Ah, you made it just in time!" "You are not prepared!"

[Azalar]

Dont forget the Legion leaker. He posted those cryptic little sentences like "Why is Thrall Green?" "Ah, you made it just in time!" "You are not prepared!"

I do miss those puzzles

[Al Gorefiend]

How soon after the Algarian Stormrider leak was the first "leak" which included mention of dwarves? And was there a single "leak" before the mount name leaked that mentioned dwarves?

Yes, there was a leaker about a dwarf expac. they mentioned there was an underground zone.

[Alanar]

It really has spiralled downwards into nonsense since it's been flooded by new posters that haven't been with us for the journey. Everyone's a leaker now, and everyone's an expert despite having just joined the conversation.

I'm old enough to remember when we all used to put cool theories together and speculate!

That was all there is to it this year. There was nothing really to bite our teeth it. Especially with AI idk man, worst year ever for me. I didn't care anymore.

Got to say, at first I thought GOD you are annoying, but you were actually bringing the whole thing to life with your excitement and your theories, hats off you to. It would have been even better if we had more to do. Anyway thanks.

[Izalla]

does really matter which "leak" is real? they're all underwhelming as fuck. not something you'd expect for the 20th anniversary of the game nor for an expansion that is supposed to breathe new life into retail. meh, classic might truly be the way

It certainly matters if none of them are, in which case there is no reason to assume the expac is doomed to be boring.

[Rathwell]

Was there actually a second leaker? I remember someone who it turns out was obviously piggy backing on what scaleface was saying but any extra bit of info or deviation from what scaleface said was wrong.

Looking at the old thread, can't recall who precisely I was thinking of, but the images of the Dracthyr at least came from a non-Scaleface source. It appears the image leaks of Dracthyr started with a guy called Axaron popping in and posting three images along with "fuck bobby kotick", which Scaleface replied to with, "and this is true pics about what I talked about.", so it appears Axaron was the first to provide pictures

Unsure if there were separate leaks for actual expansion info though that weren't just riffing on Scaleface info

[Izalla]

Yes, there was a leaker about a dwarf expac. they mentioned there was an underground zone.

Do you know when? I wanna read it.

[Kiivar86]

I do miss those puzzles

Hah I sure don't, those infuriated me because of how damn vague they were. But I'm not a puzzle sort, just annoys me.

[Izalla]

Looking at the old thread, can't recall who precisely I was thinking of, but the images of the Dracthyr at least came from a non-Scaleface source. It appears the image leaks of Dracthyr started with a guy called Axaron popping in and posting three images along with "fuck bobby kotick", which Scaleface replied to with, "and this is true pics about what I talked about.", so it appears Axaron was the first to provide pictures

Unsure if there were separate leaks for actual expansion info though that weren't just riffing on Scaleface info

Ah yes, I remember that dude!

[Rathwell]

Hah I sure don't, those infuriated me because of how damn vague they were. But I'm not a puzzle sort, just annoys me.

Even KNOWING the answer I still struggle with the Drek'thar one.

He posted an image of Drek'thar covered in the letters E A C Y repeated over and over all scrambled. And yeah, I understand that if you replace the "ek" with "ac" and the "a" with "y" you get "Dracthyr" from "Drek'thar", but how was that supposed to be pieced together from repeating those letters in random sequence?

[Hitei]

How soon after the Algarian Stormrider leak was the first "leak" which included mention of dwarves? And was there a single "leak" before the mount name leaked that mentioned dwarves?

Next day, playable Earthen and Khaz Algar in Alvaloren:
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...nsion-Set-Leak

But there were several (3) completely incompatible, contradictory mentions of Khaz Algar. Not surprising since we've been speculating about those books for a long time. Two of them specifically mention the Earthen from Khaz Algar. One of those is the self-admited fake Eclipse. One (lol) goes on to talk about "stormriding" but only in a second post months later, 10 days after the achievements and stormrider were found.

[Izalla]

Even KNOWING the answer I still struggle with the Drek'thar one.

He posted an image of Drek'thar covered in the letters E A C Y repeated over and over all scrambled. And yeah, I understand that if you replace the "ek" with "ac" and the "a" with "y" you get "Dracthyr" from "Drek'thar", but how was that supposed to be pieced together from repeating those letters in random sequence?

That puzzle was so convoluted that I was sure there was no way the dude was legit. I was certain that the name the people who indulged his game came up with was nonsense and he told them they were right to keep the trolling going. Couldn't believe it when he turned out to be telling the truth.

[KyleEverett]

SoA sounds just disappointing enough for me to believe it's true. If it is props to Agg'ora being the earliest leaked model I can remember.

Would anyone be shocked if Odyn sees the dragons as failures and decided to try and kill Iridikron himself?