The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nightshade711]

Emberthal isn't a warrior.

And those Dracthyr aren’t Evokers.

Except those massive wings which prevent proper weapon/shield sheathing, and cloaks. Along with the dracthyr head which causes massive clipping issues with helmets.

Weapons/shields will be hidden as said.
Helmets are a nonissue. If Tauren and Worgen can wear helmets, so can Dracthyr.

Are they going to rig old armor to dracthyr as well? What about weapons? Again I highly doubt you're going to get a ton of warrior players feeling immersed in their character when their weapons appear out of nowhere every time they enter combat.

Weapons are already rigged, especially ones arms/fury warriors would use, so I fail to see the point you’re trying to make there.

And again, you know nothing about how armor rigging works for new races.
They didn’t have to manually go and rig every piece of armor for Kul Tirans and they don’t have any clipping issues.

[Teriz]

And you can like, you know, simply stop responding. But you never choose to.

I never said I had a problem with being swarmed. I simply don't like being blamed for a topic derail when 5 posters are responding to one little throw away remark about the possibility of non-Evoker Dracthyr classes.

[Makabreska]

I never said I had a problem with being swarmed. I simply don't like being blamed for a topic derail when 5 posters are responding to one little throw away remark about the possibility of non-Evoker Dracthyr classes.

But you can still stop this derailment at any moment.

[Teriz]

And those Dracthyr aren’t Evokers.

Emberthal is, and she's standing there holding a bladed weapon.

Weapons/shields will be hidden as said.
Helmets are a nonissue. If Tauren and Worgen can wear helmets, so can Dracthyr.

If they're a non-issue, why can't Dracthyr wear standard helmets currently?

Weapons are already rigged, especially ones arms/fury warriors would use, so I fail to see the point you’re trying to make there.

In the model viewer, have the Dracthyr dual wield 2h weapons, and then have them sheathe. Enjoy the hilarity that ensues.

And again, you know nothing about how armor rigging works for new races.
They didn’t have to manually go and rig every piece of armor for Kul Tirans and they don’t have any clipping issues.

Because they designed Kul Tirans to be different classes. They never designed Dracthyr for that purpose. Which is why you continuously ignore the issue with Visage forms and how they work with non-Evoker classes, since Visage forms were designed with Evoker and Evoker-only in mind.

Also please don't bring up animations being present as proof. Goblins and Worgen had Monk animations for 11 years and they didn't get Monks until a month ago. And that's with NO technical issues involved.

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But you can still stop this derailment at any moment.

Okie dokie.

I'll let them have the last word.

[huth]

I never said I had a problem with being swarmed. I simply don't like being blamed for a topic derail when 5 posters are responding to one little throw away remark about the possibility of non-Evoker Dracthyr classes.

You don't seem to have a problem with brainlessly defending a completely absurd position, either. Your argumentation is literally Flat-Earther level blatant ignorance of any proper rules of logic and discussions and twisting of facts with no regard of how completely unworkable your interpretation is.

[Nightshade711]

Emberthal is, and she's standing there holding a bladed weapon.

She’s not an Evoker.

If they're a non-issue, why can't Dracthyr wear standard helmets currently?

Maybe because blizzard didn’t have time to rig them with all the different snouts. But they’ve luckily given themselves enough time to work on that.

In the model viewer, have the Dracthyr dual wield 2h weapons, and then have them sheathe. Enjoy the hilarity that ensues.

Somehow you keep forgetting that anything that goes on a Dracthyr’s back is hidden.
But you can continue fabricating issues in your mind.

Because they designed Kul Tirans to be different classes. They never designed Dracthyr for that purpose.

They did the same with Dracthyr. Given that they’ve been saying ever since announcement that Dracthyr can be other classes down the.

Which is why you continuously ignore the issue with Visage forms and how they work with non-Evoker classes, since Visage forms were designed with Evoker and Evoker-only in mind.

There’s nothing about visage forms that makes them Evoker only. They’re just like Worgen except they don’t shift forms in combat.

Visage forms are already using existing skeletons, they have all the animations and rigging for almost every class in the game.

Also please don't bring up animations being present as proof. Goblins and Worgen had Monk animations for 11 years and they didn't get Monks until a month ago. And that's with NO technical issues involved.

Almost as if they’ve said the only reason for this was lore issues.
Which was no longer a thing with Exile’s Reach & Blizzard’s goal of opening all races to most classes. (Except DH/Evoker)

[Makorus]

Are we really arguing by "This lore character is using a weapon that the class in game wouldn't normally use"? It is, and always has been, a completely idiotic reason.

Likewise, Emberthal is not an Evoker and is never labelled like that anywhere. She does not have access and mastery of all the Dragonflights.

Look, I don't think Neltharion built in a hidden "Will explode into a Million pieces if they touch a polearm" function into the Dracthyr. Evoker are just not using polearms because there are no intellect polearms in the game.

They outright said they are going to add other classes for Dracthyr. Why are we even arguing?

[Therougetitan]

She’s not an Evoker.

Could you please explain what spell she casts in this video and what class it belongs to? Hint: It is from a spec called Devastation.

https://youtu.be/Pj3MGAlcfyo?t=101

[huth]

They outright said they are going to add other classes for Dracthyr. Why are we even arguing?

Mostly because Teriz insists on misinterpreting everything under the sun as evidence for his absurd pet theory again.

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Could you please explain what spell she casts in this video and what class it belongs to? Hint: It is from a spec called Devastation.

https://youtu.be/Pj3MGAlcfyo?t=101

And Evokers are specificially known for not being limited to just some of these spells, but know how to use all of them. Being able to use some of them just makes you a Dracthyr.

[Raetary]

Erm, Emberthal is very much an Evoker.

She wouldn't be a scalecommander otherwise.

[Makorus]

Erm, Emberthal is very much an Evoker.

She wouldn't be a scalecommander otherwise.

I mean, Azurathel is clearly not an Evoker.

Spellcraft is not my forte, but I know arcane magic when I see it. The same magic used by the blue dragon in the creche.

The commander of an army is not the most skilled warrior.

[Teriz]

And Evokers are specificially known for not being limited to just some of these spells, but know how to use all of them. Being able to use some of them just makes you a Dracthyr.

You didn't see Emberthal using all 5 essences in that clip?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj3MGAlcfyo&t=101s

She did.

[Nightshade711]

You didn't see Emberthal using all 5 essences in that clip?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj3MGAlcfyo&t=101s

She did.

I didn’t see her throwing emerald blossoms or using any preservation spells.

All Dracthyr dragon spells have the little prismatic effect if that’s what you’re talking about.

[Teriz]

I didn’t see her throwing emerald blossoms or using any preservation spells.

All Dracthyr dragon spells have the little prismatic effect if that’s what you’re talking about.

In the clip her scales flashed red, bronze, green, then blue until she finally unleashes Eternity Surge. Also she is not a part of Sarkareth's Weryn, so the fact that she can even use a Blue dragon spell indicates that she is an Evoker, since Evokers can use the powers of any weryn by definition.

The vested interest in some parties for certain NPCs to not be Evokers is quite odd.

[Nymrohd]

My understanding is that Emberthal is an Evoker, just one with no spec yet.

[Makorus]

In the clip her scales flashed red, bronze, green, then blue until she finally unleashes Eternity Surge. Also she is not a part of Sarkareth's Weryn, so the fact that she can even use a Blue dragon spell indicates that she is an Evoker, since Evokers can use the powers of any weryn by definition.

The vested interest in some parties for certain NPCs to not be Evokers is quite odd.

Her wings flashed Bronze and then purple.

[Nightshade711]

In the clip her scales flashed red, bronze, green, then blue until she finally unleashes Eternity Surge. Also she is not a part of Sarkareth's Weryn, so the fact that she can even use a Blue dragon spell indicates that she is an Evoker, since Evokers can use the powers of any weryn by definition.

In-game any Dracthyr using any ability (like living flame for example) shows the magic having a prismatic effect (red/green/bronze/blue/black) briefly during the cast.
This is because naturally they were imbued with magic from all flights. Most Dracthyr just haven’t mastered using all the magics and does not mean every Dracthyr that uses living flame is an Evoker.

There aren’t even any named Evokers I don’t think. Just scalecommanders who focus on their wyern.

[Teriz]

In-game any Dracthyr using any ability (like living flame for example) shows the magic having a prismatic effect (red/green/bronze/blue/black) briefly during the cast.
This is because naturally they were imbued with magic from all flights. Most Dracthyr just haven’t mastered using all the magics and does not mean every Dracthyr that uses living flame is an Evoker.

There aren’t even any named Evokers I don’t think. Just scalecommanders who focus on their wyern.

Her wings flashed Bronze and then purple.

Cool. Now explain how a dracthyr from the Black dragon weryn can use magic from the red/blue dragon weryn if they aren’t an Evoker.

[Nightshade711]

Cool. Now explain how a dracthyr from the Black dragon weryn can use magic from the red/blue dragon weryn if they aren’t an Evoker.

Maybe the Adamant Vigil can use some blue we don’t have specs to base them off of.

All the other wyerns use magics or at least 2 flights. Maybe the Adamant Vigil is Black/Blue.

[Makorus]

Cool. Now explain how a dracthyr from the Black dragon weryn can use magic from the red/blue dragon weryn if they aren’t an Evoker.

Because the Weyrn are not based on what abilities you can use, but what your skill set is?

Seeing how all of them are "black dragonflight"-themed, other than the Healing Wings?